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post #91 of 3473 Old 10-30-2006, 04:33 PM
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The banding issue is a problem with thier video processor correct? Not endemic of LCD technology?

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While I definitely would not say this banding problem is inherent to LCD (since many higher end LCDs don't have it) I don't think it is a video processor problem either. The banding doesn't appear to be of a digital origin (doesn't change with content, indistinct borders etc.) as it would be if the processor was the culprit. I tend to believe that it is a backlighting problem.

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FYI: Cnet has modified their review and lowered their score of the Sharp 46d62u after noticing banding....

"([Editor's Note: This review has been changed since its original publication. Further testing has revealed that the review sample CNET received exhibited uniformity issues, which manifested as horizontal and vertical bands across the screen that were not noticed during initial testing. As a result, the performance score has been lowered from a "7" to a "6" and the overall score was recalculated.]"

http://reviews.cnet.com/Sharp_LC_46...l?tag=pdtl-list

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FYI: Cnet has modified their review and lowered their score of the Sharp 46d62u after noticing banding....

"([Editor's Note: This review has been changed since its original publication. Further testing has revealed that the review sample CNET received exhibited uniformity issues, which manifested as horizontal and vertical bands across the screen that were not noticed during initial testing. As a result, the performance score has been lowered from a "7" to a "6" and the overall score was recalculated.]"

http://reviews.cnet.com/Sharp_LC_46...l?tag=pdtl-list

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Wow, they didn't test PC connectivity over HDMI, before they reported on it. They didn't look for banding. Exactly what did they do in their "test"? Are they going to come back in two weeks and say they see a red push? What a bunch of goof balls.
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Wow, they didn't test PC connectivity over HDMI, before they reported on it. They didn't look for banding. Exactly what did they do in their "test"? Are they going to come back in two weeks and say they see a red push? What a bunch of goof balls.

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They didn't look for banding.

Actually, in their original review they said they looked for banding but didn't see any, which makes it even weirder that they see it now.
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Actually, in their original review they said they looked for banding but didn't see any, which makes it even weirder that they see it now.

Not necessarilly. I've been raving the past week how awesome the new 52" is at CC and mentioned i didn't notice any banding, but, upon further review, it's there. Very faint, but CC plays a loop which includes a trip to Coney Island. When they stand along the shore with the blue sky behind them you can see the bands. The set is still awesome, even with the faint banding. But, once you know it's there you can't help but look for it which takes away from the enjoyment.
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Does anybody know when the 92s going to come out?
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Does anybody know when the 92s going to come out?

There will be an announcement at CES in Vegas the first week of January. The vibe is they will be available in March "07.
The 92 series Sharp will have:

3 HDMI 1.3's
1080p on component
DVI 1:1
120hz
2500:1 CR
TruD micronas chip
automatic swivel stand
2.0 cablecard
legible owners manual
no red push
no banding

OK, so the 2500:1 CR is the only confirmed feature....so sue me.
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There will be an announcement at CES in Vegas the first week of January. The vibe is they will be available in March "07.
The 92 series Sharp will have:

3 HDMI 1.3's
1080p on component
DVI 1:1
120hz
2500:1 CR
TruD micronas chip
automatic swivel stand
2.0 cablecard
legible owners manual
no red push
no banding

OK, so the 2500:1 CR is the only confirmed feature....so sue me.

I think you're wrong. The legible owners manual isn't scheduled to appear until the 2008 models.
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There will be an announcement at CES in Vegas the first week of January. The vibe is they will be available in March "07.
The 92 series Sharp will have:

2.0 cablecard

So, is this true ??
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So, is this true ??

Yes, the part about the CES show. Also, the 2500:1 CR is true according to the IFA Berlin show. In fact, although most of the post was meant in jest, the reality is it may indeed have the micronas chip which the european models have now, it may also have 120hz, which would happen if the micronas chip is included. I would imagine the 92 series would have no banding since the 62 series is giving Sharp a nervous breakdown. The one feature i believe will definately NOT be included is 1.3.....i think that won't happen till fall '07. Cablecard 2.0 is a disaster and i doubt it will be in any TV in '07.
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92's might be advanced because the 62's have this banding issue

hope hope, and we want the TruD to fix up the motion blurr

Sharp looks like first ones to fix motion blurr and that will be a biggie, I'll take getting rid of motion blurr for a little bit of banding any day
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I don't see how the 92 series would not have HDMI 1.3 as even the 2nd gen 1080P toshiba players coming out in December and the PS3 coming out Nov.17th is going to have 1.3 as they have been said to for some time now. I know I would be really surprised if the 92 series lacked 1.3.
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I'm personally in the market for a 37" but IF they show their high end in March and it becomes widely available in 46" and 52" form which will likely be high priced, why wouldn't people just wait several months and get a 55" SED?

Also is there something coming up in between. I see that the LC-37D90U that I was interested in is drying up even online and no box stores cary it. One Website buy.com just listed it as discontinued by the manufacturer. So will there be a replacement 37" soon like December? I noticed the new LC-37GX1W series 37" has 1500:1/650:1 versus 1200:1/450:1 against the LC-37D90U. It seems the 42-52 inch is 2000:1 with 4ms response.

So would the GX1/2 become the 92 or another model designation like 72 or 82? or is there something else lurking? At IFA the displays were comparing 1200:1 versus 2500:1 which was remarkable. However they also show 6ms versus 4ms and using a video camera there was screen flicker on 4ms where there was none on 6ms. I assume for 4ms this is why you need a higher refresh rate of 120. GX1 Line

All this waiting game for new models is annoying and only to be disapointed in most cases. It seems there are three models out there:

XD 37"-52" (D62) JP/US Now

GX (?) 32-52" (D72?D82?) JP Now, US?

HD (D92?) 46-52" JP March?, US?


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Yes, the part about the CES show. Also, the 2500:1 CR is true according to the IFA Berlin show. In fact, although most of the post was meant in jest, the reality is it may indeed have the micronas chip which the european models have now, it may also have 120hz, which would happen if the micronas chip is included. I would imagine the 92 series would have no banding since the 62 series is giving Sharp a nervous breakdown. The one feature i believe will definately NOT be included is 1.3.....i think that won't happen till fall '07. Cablecard 2.0 is a disaster and i doubt it will be in any TV in '07.

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I am not really good at tech but what is TruD micronas chip? and what is the difference between 100hz and 120hz?
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I am not really good at tech but what is TruD micronas chip? and what is the difference between 100hz and 120hz?

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I am not really good at tech but what is TruD micronas chip? and what is the difference between 100hz and 120hz?

120HZ allows the TV to show 2x of the 60 fields/sec of video or 5 x of the 24 frames/sec of film. This way it will not have to do 3:2 pull down to show the 24 frames/sec of film, resulting in a smoother image with less chance of artifacts.
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I am not really good at tech but what is TruD micronas chip? and what is the difference between 100hz and 120hz?

The Micronas chip is basically a video processor that carries out de-interlacing, scaling, processing and frame-rate conversion (I believe).

120Hz will be used for content that was originally captured at 60/30Hz or 24fps (e.g NTSC region content, 1080i60, 480p60 etc etc).

100Hz will be used for content that was captured at 50/25Hz (e.g PAL region content, 576i50).

Hopefully Sharp/Micronas will also carry out proper 24fps film mode detection using 5:5 pull down rather than doubling 3:2 pull down sequence.

Let me also add my voice to those asking that the 37inch screens get some love as well. It would be great to have a 37inch (speaker below screen placement) that has

* 2 (or more) HDMIs (hopefully 1.3)
* full 1080p support (on HDMI, DVI/vga, and component) including 1080p24
* 100Hz/120Hz
* 2500:1 CR
* 4 or 5 colour backlight

It seems Sharp may be focusing the high-end efforts at the 46/52inch level. I would really love a high-end 37inch screen, I'd pay good money for it to. C'mon Sharp, give some D92 love to 37 and 42 as well as 46, 52inch sizes.

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The Micronas chip is basically a video processor that carries out de-interlacing, scaling, processing and frame-rate conversion (I believe).

120Hz will be used for content that was originally captured at 60/30Hz or 24fps (e.g NTSC region content, 1080i60, 480p60 etc etc).

100Hz will be used for content that was captured at 50/25Hz (e.g PAL region content, 576i50).

Hopefully Sharp/Micronas will also carry out proper 24fps film mode detection using 5:5 pull down rather than doubling 3:2 pull down sequence.

Let me also add my voice to those asking that the 37inch screens get some love as well. It would be great to have a 37inch (speaker below screen placement) that has

* 2 (or more) HDMIs (hopefully 1.3)
* full 1080p support (on HDMI, DVI/vga, and component) including 1080p24
* 100Hz/120Hz
* 2500:1 CR
* 4 or 5 colour backlight

It seems Sharp may be focusing the high-end efforts at the 46/52inch level. I would really love a high-end 37inch screen, I'd pay good money for it to. C'mon Sharp, give some D92 love to 37 and 42 as well as 46, 52inch sizes.

Dennis.

Fascinating stuff, just can't wait to see these sets get rid of the motion blurr that makes me dizzy, even on that XB2/3 set. For slow motion scenes all LCD's are swunderful, but for camera panning and motion blurr, mostly they all suffer the same, but have yet to see the D62's which some claim has less motion blurr.

Don't want any motion blurr at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ha ha
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Don't think for one moment that Sharp decides what components they are going to put in their new panels based on what people wish on this forum. They are first, and foremost, a for profit company and what they build is based on profitability. It would be nice if they would put all the bells and whistles in their new products as seen on this forum, but don't be to disappointed if there are only minor changes in the next panel release.
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Wow, they didn't test PC connectivity over HDMI, before they reported on it. They didn't look for banding. Exactly what did they do in their "test"? Are they going to come back in two weeks and say they see a red push? What a bunch of goof balls.


I thought they tested the manual really well.

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or they could be like Runco and put all the bells and whistles in it and charge ten times more and then you'll realize those things make absolutely no difference. 120hz is the only really interesting addition. 2500:1 CR can be given to the current 62U's if you fudge the numbers. HDMI 1.3 wont make a difference unless you have a HUGE screen and you look at gradients all day (1.3 will proly make more of a difference once LCDs move to LED backlighting because then banding and hotspots will pretty much disappear; all LCDs have them whether you see them or not).

120hz is just cool. I can't wait to use that for my Windows Vista desktop. Ooooooohhhhhh smoooooooooooth!
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Let me also add my voice to those asking that the 37inch screens get some love as well. It would be great to have a 37inch (speaker below screen placement) that has...

...It seems Sharp may be focusing the high-end efforts at the 46/52inch level. I would really love a high-end 37inch screen, I'd pay good money for it to. C'mon Sharp, give some D92 love to 37 and 42 as well as 46, 52inch sizes.

Hear, hear!

Give me a top-quality panel designed for the spaces where people actually live, not just for the HT. You know, the rooms where people don't necessarily sit some fixed distance from the screen, but actually get up and walk around a bit (perhaps to take a closer look at that 1080p goodness).
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Hear, hear!

Give me a top-quality panel designed for the spaces where people actually live, not just for the HT. You know, the rooms where people don't necessarily sit some fixed distance from the screen, but actually get up and walk around a bit (perhaps to take a closer look at that 1080p goodness).

Add me to the list that want a high end 37 incher. Some of us want a full featured set that won't overtake our urban condos.
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The Springfield VA store isn't giving the 62U's any respect either.

the 52D62U is on the last isle at the end before you head into the Magnolia area at the Springfield, VA store. And, that rep at BB, TR Reid, is a Sony guy, lots of info but he is Sony all the way.

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the 52D62U is on the last isle at the end before you head into the Magnolia area at the Springfield, VA store. And, that rep at BB, TR Reid, is a Sony guy, lots of info but he is Sony all the way.

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He told me he worked for Sony for over 20 years. He really is on Sonys bandwagon.
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Most modern displays are 8bit correct? And some of the top video processors are 10bit? I think 8bit is 16 million colors with 256 shades each. What is the limit for HDMI 1.2 and 1.3 with reguard to color depth?

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Most modern displays are 8bit correct? And some of the top video processors are 10bit? I think 8bit is 16 million colors with 256 shades each. What is the limit for HDMI 1.2 and 1.3 with reguard to color depth?

--prosumer

HDMI 1.3 supports 30-bit, 36-bit and 48-bit color, earlier versions were 24bit (3 X 8bits per color).

Warning: Just because a device provides an HDMI 1.3 interface, it does not automatically mean that the device will support all 1.3 features. It is much more probable that the 1.3 interface will come first, with features such as higher resolution color coming along in later generations of TVs and picture sources.

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