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Now that the D62s have arrived in living rooms, it's time to start thinking about next year, to what will be introduced in January at CES -- perhaps the long-rumored "D92" series.

Mike53 (R.I.P. ) has already told us to expect HDMI 1.3 next year.

My big question though, is about the "TruD" technology that already has appeared in Sharp's U.K. models. Will this show up in the U.S.? And is it worth waiting for?

On its website, the developer of TruD promises that TruD will "remove film judder, motion blur and noise, as well as enhancing color, contrast and sharpness." Sounds almost too good to be true.

Will TruD turn out to be like DNIe or DRC, which allegedly work wonders with digital pictures but in reality people often turn them off (or wish they could, in the case of DNIe)?

What do you think? What are you hoping for from Sharp next year? And of course, the eternal question: Buy now or wait?
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I Don't know but; Best Buy seems to think the current 62U series is not good enough for their magnolia room. The Best Buy creatin said that they were waitng for the 92U before it would allowed a place of honor in the Magnolia room. This was in the Naperville, Illinois store. 52" was being feed by a really crappy composite feed along with all the low end sets. Picture looked awful. And for this; Sharp gave Best Buy the primary first launch position. Somebody is blowing smoke up someones a s s big time. If I was Sharp I would have personnel storming into Best Buy and complaining. This may not be the same all over the country; but 2 stores here in Illinois sure are giving the Sharp LCD line up the shaft.
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What I'm hoping for is getting rid of the banding, red push, and buzzing that seems to be in a lot of these sets per the forum users comments. I do think 2007 will be somewhat of a breakout year for all the panel types. HDTV is really starting to grow at a pretty high clip. It can only be good for consumers.
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I Don't know but; Best Buy seems to think the current 62U series is not good enough for their magnolia room. The Best Buy creatin said that they were waitng for the 92U before it would allowed a place of honor in the Magnolia room. This was in the Naperville, Illinois store. 52" was being feed by a really crappy composite feed along with all the low end sets. Picture looked awful. And for this; Sharp gave Best Buy the primary first launch position. Somebody is blowing smoke up someones a s s big time. If I was Sharp I would have personnel storming into Best Buy and complaining. This may not be the same all over the country; but 2 stores here in Illinois sure are giving the Sharp LCD line up the shaft.

The Springfield VA store isn't giving the 62U's any respect either. The magnolia rep said they were going to have to sell an old 40" demo model on the top shelf out on the floor before they would put the 62u out. I really don't understand why they don't think much of a brand new model! Must be some behind the scene stuff that the public doesn't know about.
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Was told the same thing by Magnolia and bestbuy sales people when I went looking for the 62U's last weekend. The magnolia guy told me that I should wait for the D92 to come out early next year and don't waste my money on the entry level 62U.
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I predict the new panels will not be perfect.
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I predict the new panels will not be perfect.

Really went out on a limb with that one!

I'm going to start a new thread discussing the Sharp Aquos 2008 "102" Series featuring HDMI 1.5, their new 3 way holographic screen with LED lighting, 240 khz refresh rate, black levels akin to a black hole, 1080P composite inputs...
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I'm hoping for a smaller set (32-40") w/ top-of-the-line features, connectivity and video quality (usb/media card slot, DVR, 1080p).
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Really went out on a limb with that one!

I'm going to start a new thread discussing the Sharp Aquos 2008 "102" Series featuring HDMI 1.5, their new 3 way holographic screen with LED lighting, 240 khz refresh rate, black levels akin to a black hole, 1080P composite inputs...

your sounding like the boys over on the SED thread.
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your sounding like the boys over on the SED thread.

AKA "science fiction" thread?
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your sounding like the boys over on the SED thread.



you have it wrong..that is 4320p resolution!
can you imagine..those people will be waiting for next years' higher resolution.
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Geez CaseCom, the thread seems to have taken a humorous turn. Sort of like another thread we know about.
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Ok so why are so many of theyes flakes babbling about things they know were never announced and may never be.I can understand a hope for something better than the load of shlock the consumers were dumped with was anything but impressive,even the top name brand LCD sets are all so closely matched is pathetic.Why is there not even one mamanufacturer that has something thats years ahead of there competition,they must be doing something at there R&D offices.I say this to any LCD manufacturer If you want to be KING stop acting LIKE A CLOWN and IMPRESS US.
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I was told through a Sharp rep. that they are going to ship their 72U sets by the end of this year. The 72U will feature 1080/60p and 1080/24p input, which will play back Blue-ray without 3:2 processing at 1080/24p. This is something that no other LCD pannel offers at this time. Sony is expected to have 1080/24p compatable sets by October 2007. The 72U's will probably have HDMI 1.2, however, HDMI 1.3 really doesn't have that big of an impact with respect to video. HDMI 1.2 has plenty of bandwith to handle 1080/60/24p input. HDMI 1.3 is big with respect to uncompressed digital audio that the Blue-ray will output. You will need to wait until early 2007 for a receiver that is equiped with HDMI 1.3. There is no way in hell I am going to buy a 1080p display that cannot operate at 24fps. Biggest reason is that there are no 1080/60p sources at this time, only 1080/24p, which the Blue-ray will output.
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I Don't know but; Best Buy seems to think the current 62U series is not good enough for their magnolia room. The Best Buy creatin said that they were waitng for the 92U before it would allowed a place of honor in the Magnolia room. This was in the Naperville, Illinois store. 52" was being feed by a really crappy composite feed along with all the low end sets. Picture looked awful. And for this; Sharp gave Best Buy the primary first launch position. Somebody is blowing smoke up someones a s s big time. If I was Sharp I would have personnel storming into Best Buy and complaining. This may not be the same all over the country; but 2 stores here in Illinois sure are giving the Sharp LCD line up the shaft.

I've got to agree 100% here. No respect at all in Maryland for the 52d62, shoved up in a corner 8' above ground level, no remote there (had to retrieve one). The feed was a Panasonic loop, wasn't too bad, probably 720p but not sure.

I'd be po'ed if I worked for Sharp as well. These sets are better than this, they deserve a decent place in the store, in a magnolia section. It's yet to be determined how widespread the banding, buzzing, and red push is, but its a pretty nice set regardless. Doesn't reach the level of the Pioneer 5071, tho (and I am an LCD fanatic, already have 2 and will get another).

One issue important to me, don't see too many talk about - CableCARD.
Any hint on the 72, 92 - will they have it ?
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Well, I spoke with Mike53 in a seance this afternoon and he informed the the 72 series has been cancelled and replaced with the 82 series which features "deep, deep, deep, color", 14.1 sound (the new DTS standard) and a whole lot of other crap.
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Is it just a matter of pure electronics installed or will a new panel also have to be manufactured to handle all the bells and whistles described in the thread?

Sidebar: thread is now getting where it should be as far as good speculation. Good stuff!!!
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Is it just a matter of pure electronics installed or will a new panel also have to be manufactured to handle all the bells and whistles described in the thread?

Sidebar: thread is now getting where it should be as far as good speculation. Good stuff!!!

It's their new 11th generation panel produced at Toho Studios 26 trillion dollar plant that will make or break the sets. That, and the new flux capacitor they are getting from Orion.

Ok, I'll leave now. Carry on.
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It's their new 11th generation panel produced at Toho Studios 26 trillion dollar plant that will make or break the sets. That, and the new flux capacitor they are getting from Orion.

Ok, I'll leave now. Carry on.

We have a SED infiltrator amongst us. Looks like it's time to break out the ole crystal ball.
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We have a SED infiltrator amongst us. Looks like it's time to break out the ole crystal ball.

DID I NOT ALREADY MENTION THIS ......... flaky guys that cant keep a coherent word in there brain so spout stupidity for the rest of us stay gone
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I've got to agree 100% here. No respect at all in Maryland for the 52d62, shoved up in a corner 8' above ground level, no remote there (had to retrieve one). The feed was a Panasonic loop, wasn't too bad, probably 720p but not sure.

I'd be po'ed if I worked for Sharp as well. These sets are better than this, they deserve a decent place in the store, in a magnolia section. It's yet to be determined how widespread the banding, buzzing, and red push is, but its a pretty nice set regardless. Doesn't reach the level of the Pioneer 5071, tho (and I am an LCD fanatic, already have 2 and will get another).

One issue important to me, don't see too many talk about - CableCARD.
Any hint on the 72, 92 - will they have it ?

Not much respect here in LA either, Best Buy has them in the men's room.
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One issue important to me, don't see too many talk about - CableCARD.
Any hint on the 72, 92 - will they have it ?

A couple of questions, not trying to start a fight, just honestly interested.

1) How long do you expect to keep this set?

2) What benefit do you see with cablecard as opposed to the current/next generation HD DVR/Stb's? The reason that I ask is because my cable company charges the same fee whether I use their moto 6412 HD DVR or a cablecard in my TV.

I have gone through 3 STB's, upgrading features each time, since I got HD cable a year ago.

There is talk of a future 2 way cablecard, but the rumors that I have heard is that it will not come under the federal mandate(which makes cable co's provide cablecards) so that many people expect the local cable companies to NEVER provide them. Any set you buy today would also probably not be compatible with them anyway.


In other words, if you were in my area, you would have less options with a current cablecard compatible set using cablecard than if you had the DVR. You would also not have the "free" upgrade capabilities during the life of the set, yet you would probably pay more for the set.

I am glad that Sharp is going for a price conscious consumer and limiting the inputs, bells and whistles, so that they have can keep the prices low.

Just my opinion.

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Now that the D62s have arrived in living rooms, it's time to start thinking about next year, to what will be introduced in January at CES -- perhaps the long-rumored "D92" series.

Mike53 (R.I.P. ) has already told us to expect HDMI 1.3 next year.

My big question though, is about the "TruD" technology that already has appeared in Sharp's U.K. models. Will this show up in the U.S.? And is it worth waiting for?

On its website, the developer of TruD promises that TruD will "remove film judder, motion blur and noise, as well as enhancing color, contrast and sharpness." Sounds almost too good to be true.

Will TruD turn out to be like DNIe or DRC, which allegedly work wonders with digital pictures but in reality people often turn them off (or wish they could, in the case of DNIe)?

What do you think? What are you hoping for from Sharp next year? And of course, the eternal question: Buy now or wait?


What happened to Mike53?
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I hate being a noob...but i love this stuff. Anyway...what exactly does 1080/24 or 1080/60 mean?
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What happened to Mike53?

Not dead, but reportedly muzzled by the corporate suits at Sharp who caught wind of the fact that he was posting here.
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The Sharp 92u series (model # not confirmed) will be announced at CES in January. They are expected to ship in Spring '07. They will jump to 2500:1 CR.
Based on all the video i have seen at IFA Berlin they will have the Micronas TruD processor with the increased frame rate. Not confirmed is 1.3 and CC 2.0. If you have broadband here is a video with the european "premium" aquos (XD-1?) that in all likelyhood will be the 92u series that will compete with the 52" Sony XBR2/3.
http://www.cinenow.com/uk/play-video-406.html
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That's an amazing display of Sharps in the video, I'll take the giant touchscreen !
So likely we will see CC in the premium lines, then ...

Zapp -

With CableCARD I still have the STB option.
It's the cleanest pic from cable, uses the quality tuners in these sets.
Cheaper from Comcast.
Saves power, STB's are hogs, usually running 24/7 unless you unplug them.
Comcast cannot spy on me with a one-way CC.
Don't have to use yet another crappy remote.
Less cables, shelf space.

It's a shame the cable companies have been dragging their feet on CC.
I assume in the future downloadable software will replace CC.
Don't want to rent a box from the cable company and have it on display in the house.
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That's an amazing display of Sharps in the video, I'll take the giant touchscreen !
So likely we will see CC in the premium lines, then ...

Zapp -

With CableCARD I still have the STB option.
It's the cleanest pic from cable, uses the quality tuners in these sets.
Cheaper from Comcast.
Saves power, STB's are hogs, usually running 24/7 unless you unplug them.
Comcast cannot spy on me with a one-way CC.
Don't have to use yet another crappy remote.
Less cables, shelf space.

It's a shame the cable companies have been dragging their feet on CC.
I assume in the future downloadable software will replace CC.
Don't want to rent a box from the cable company and have it on display in the house.

I'm not sure about that. It seems everytime somebody posts kill-a-watt settings here with cable card installed/uninstalled, it adds 50-60 watts 24/7.
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Paul - on my sharp there is a power saving mode that I use to turn off the TV.
When its off, its only drawing minimal power for the remote sensor and power on switch.
The TV guide is turned off - so that does not use power.

Finally, I have all TV's plugged into APC UPS's.
I can always just switch them off if I buy a TV without Sharp's power saving features.

All cableboxes I had and current devices such as modems are switched off when not used.

When my 32/37 Sharps are running (backlight is min) they use 63/68 watts w/cablecard.
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Paul - on my sharp there is a power saving mode that I use to turn off the TV.
When its off, its only drawing minimal power for the remote sensor and power on switch.
The TV guide is turned off - so that does not use power.

Finally, I have all TV's plugged into APC UPS's.
I can always just switch them off if I buy a TV without Sharp's power saving features.

All cableboxes I had and current devices such as modems are switched off when not used.

When my 32/37 Sharps are running (backlight is min) they use 63/68 watts w/cablecard.

That's nice to know. It always seemed like a waste whenever somebody posted their numbers. That said, I'm kind of addicted to DVR know, so cablecard really isn't an issue (And my DVR box draws 29 watts constant... so it isn't as bad as I thought it was gonna be.)

What interests me about the D92 is the 42 inch model. I plan on taking the plunge once I get my hands on a PS3 (Assuming the Wii doesn't look too horrible upscaled on it), but I'm really prefer 42 inches. The place I wanna put it has a tight space. And with the tower speakers, those extra couple inches are gonna make things not be positioned how I'd prefer. I may just bite the bullet and force it to work, but I really wish the current D62 42 inch wasn't the ugly stepchild.
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