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View Poll Results: Does your Sony 46" XBR LCD suffer from an uneven backlight or cloudy background?
YES, clouds can been seen when dark colors are displayed or when switching inputs 1,294 69.05%
NO, my screen has a perfect, fully even, backlight 580 30.95%
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post #1171 of 9118 Old 12-10-2006, 04:40 PM
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What is your build date? (White sticker on back of TV)

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Do you want the Sony clouds, Sharp banding, Hitachi flicker, Samsung DLP Geometry, & Silk Screen effect (SSE), or maybe some I/R or burn in with Panasonic? Take your pick, there's something wrong with all of them. Good luck picking the one that won't bother you the most. There's always someone who will have a better one, and spend less money than you. Try to be happy people. Just something to think about.


What about the LCOS sets?
Has anyone heard of issues with the KDS-55A2000 55" Grand Wega SXRD high-definition 1080p rear-projection TV?
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What about the LYCOS sets?
Has anyone heard of issues with the KDS-55A2000 55" Grand Wega SXRD high-definition 1080p rear-projection TV?

Very nice TV, but make sure the SSE doesn't bother you. Look for scenes with bright white and watch for the speckles.

The SSE on the a2000s is why I bought a bravia...
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What about the LCOS sets?
Has anyone heard of issues with the KDS-55A2000 55" Grand Wega SXRD high-definition 1080p rear-projection TV?

Green blobs.
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Very nice TV, but make sure the SSE doesn't bother you. Look for scenes with bright white and watch for the speckles.

The SSE on the a2000s is why I bought a bravia...


Just goes to show - there's no man made technology as sophisticated as the human eye!
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Build Date November 2006

I received my 46XBR2 yesterday, and unfortunately the clouds are still on the November builds. Also, even more irritating than the clouds is a red line running from the top to the bottom on the left third of the screen. It's most obvious when the background is green (football field) or light blue.

Anybody know what is causing this red line?

Also, can anyone share their experience with purchasing from Sony online? If I return this item, do I have to pick up the tab for shipping?

thanks
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What about the LCOS sets?
Has anyone heard of issues with the KDS-55A2000 55" Grand Wega SXRD high-definition 1080p rear-projection TV?

They're amazing, but the SSE is a major bummer. I would've bought one instead of these Bravias if not for that.
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I just recieved my xbr2 46 in. and it has no visible white clouds. it is perfect and i can say im happy that last week we just returned one because of a shipping problem. xD. i feel extremely lucky
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Do you want the Sony clouds, Sharp banding, Hitachi flicker, Samsung DLP Geometry, & Silk Screen effect (SSE), or maybe some I/R or burn in with Panasonic, or some SXRD & LCOS green blobs? Take your pick, there's something wrong with all of them. Good luck picking the one that won't bother you the most. There's always someone who will have a better one, and spend less money than you. Try to be happy people. Just something to think about.

Oh, JK is back again trying to discount our problem. Just when you think he's gone, here he is again. JK, do you work for Sony? Why else would you come in here over and over again if you are happy with your tv? If your's doesn't bother you, why do you lurk in here all the time? If your set is so enjoyable, go enjoy it.
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Apparently, this is the norm for this new technology. We might as well either face that this is acceptable, or return if you can to your place of purchase for your money back. I messed up and didn't make this an issue until after my 30 days. I'll be paying that price in resale value, since no one wants to pay full retail for a 60 day old TV, normal or not. Hey, now I have a certified Sony "normal" set.

That's what pisses me off the most, the technology is NOT new, the problem was NOT in the previous Sony LCD models.
EVERY single source to cite this problem classified it as a "DEFECT"
aka not normal, not acceaptable, should not be in the final product.

Except of course Sony which just flat out lies & tells you it's normal.
You can buy a TV with a screen that is cracked in half & Sony can still tell you it's normal for the technology, but the fact of the matter it isn't normal & sony is 100% at fault.


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The problem is that I can't just go get a different, comparable HDTV. There is no comparable HDTV in the same price range, really, except for the Samsung which uses the same panel and has the same clouding problem, and the Sharp D62 which has the banding problem.

The new Mitsubishi 1080p LCD sets, no problems reported at all. zero reported, might want to check them out as I am.


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Do you want the Sony clouds, Sharp banding, Hitachi flicker, Samsung DLP Geometry, & Silk Screen effect (SSE), or maybe some I/R or burn in with Panasonic, or some SXRD & LCOS green blobs? Take your pick, there's something wrong with all of them. Good luck picking the one that won't bother you the most. There's always someone who will have a better one, and spend less money than you. Try to be happy people. Just something to think about.

Silk Scren Effect is INHERENT with the technology, like reflections off glass plasma panels or black levels looking lighter on LCD's.
It's a problem, BUT not a manufacturing DEFECT which a lot of those problems are & should be corrected by the manufacturer before being sold period.
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Just thought I would let you all know that even though I got lucky with a July 2006 build, I decided to state that on CNET as an addition to my earlier review.
I belive that people who are shopping for a new TV should be informed of this issue. Perhaps everyone who is having this issue should post a link to this forum at every site that the Sony XBR is being reviewed and pehaps save some others that have not made the decision to buy yet.

Just a thought.
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If Sony were to acknowledge today that the sets were defective, it would have to recall every set from the stores and allow full refunds on existing sets. If it waits until the production/QA issues are resolved, it could then quietly repair/exchange the sets of whoever complained. This 2nd option will be way cheaper for them. That's why I think they're not acknowledging the issue at this time. The good news is that since the older sets don't have this issue, there is no technical reason why they can't correct this issue.
I do believe it's very important to keep pressure on them, as this will increase the chances that they will fix the issues quickly.
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so i felt an update to posting that my new set (40xbr2) suffered the clouding was in order.

Keep in mind, the clouding I had was very limited; I could see it with the backlight turned to full and all the lights off...watching a movie such as dark city, matrix, star wars, etc...I could not see the clouding at all...

We left the set on for 24 straight hours in full/zoom on the sci-fi channel. Afterwards, we layed the set face-down for 24 hours and when the set was turned back on, there were zero clouds...

I am still keeping my box and paper work/receipt handy for the remainder of my 30 days just in case something strange happens and the clouds come back in full force.

So for now, I am a very happy camper..much more so than the day I brought this beast home.
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A more interesting poll would be:
"Does your Sony 40"or 46" XBR LCD build date Sept 2006 or later suffer from an uneven backlight or cloudy background?

I'm guessing that the Yes answers on that poll would be greater than 90%. This will also be better ammunition with Sony.
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I just recieved my xbr2 46 in. and it has no visible white clouds. it is perfect and i can say im happy that last week we just returned one because of a shipping problem. xD. i feel extremely lucky

i forgot to say that the build date was november.. 2006
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I just got my 52" set hooked up and mine seems to have a slight glow but it's an even glow all the way across the whole thing. No clouds or patches of light in the corners. Very uniform. I assume this means I must have dodged the bullet and gotten a "good one"

EDIT: Has a build date of November 2006. That's two November built sets without the problem in a row. Maybe we are on a roll?

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BREAKING NEWS! BREAKING NEWS!
I knew right away the best thing was to do was to get my money back. As I am walking out of the store (the manager was the person I was speaking to originally) a sales agent about my age (25 yrs old) came up to me and said, "I just have to tell you these guys are full of crap." We are having a couple sets come back every day. You are the 3rd person today to bring yours back. We are aware of the situation and Sony headquarters has told us that they have fixed the problem with the November 2006 models. If I were you and you are still interested in the xbr3 I would come back beginning of January when the Nov. 2006 models are coming in."
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Well son of a gun. I guess I waited just long enough. FWIW, I got my November built set at Best Buy in Sunnyvale (Bay Area). Maybe Best Buy has enough turn over that they are now stocking the newest built sets. There's at least three people that I know with November build dates who do NOT have the clouding problem...Either way, this is encouraging for anyone who can still do an exchange or who hasn't bought one yet.

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interesting...


i checked my set's manuf date..

nov 06...so i had clouding with a nov 06 set and after the above mentioned "fixes" the clouding went away....

so no, the nov 06 sets are not all fixed but it looks like the clouding (at least for me) does go away...
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Just got a Perfect KDL-46XBR3 August build S/N 80005XX

Very simple; Buy the floor model. Search your local stores for a early build date floor model and make a deal with the store.

Benefits;
1) You can verify that the set has no clouds before buying it.
2) You don't have to wait and hope Sony fixes the problem.
3) Peace of mind.
4) Now you can get the Xmas shopping done.

Thanks, for this thread.
Merry Xmas !!!
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exchanged mine today and got a Nov 2006 build with no clouding and no stuck or dead pixels at all !!!!!!!!!Its perfect


wooooot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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exchanged mine today and got a Nov 2006 build with no clouding and no stuck or dead pixels at all !!!!!!!!!Its perfect


wooooot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My November set is perfect too. Here's a picture in complete darkness (no flash) on an unused input. I hope this bodes well for future Bravia owners... Cross your fingers and get over and exchange!


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Well, I do have a Nov 06 from CC and it has the clouds... and a few stuck pixels.
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I found this thread a couple weeks ago, and it has been excellent. I'm not a videophile by any stretch of the imagination so everytime I've been close to buying an HDTV I've come to AVS Forum to find out if the folks who are likely far more discerning about their televisions then I likely am have any major issues and so far I haven't been steered wrong in my estimation.

This thread really bummed me out at first because I dediced to go with the 46" XBR2/3, plus I have the chance to buy any Sony equipment at ~20% off though my work; the catch though is there are no returns or exchanges. As a result of most of your experiences I'm not going to chance a set with clouds and having to deal with Sony just to get the discount. So I started looking the stores in my city and I'm going to try to find a floor model on demo somewhere that doesn't have any clouds and try and buy it. Plus, if it's from a B&M store I can make sure they'll accept returns if the set I get does have issues. I'm also encouraged to hear some of the newer sets (likely late November models) seem to be improving.

Having never used this TV though could someone detail exactly what I could do, or ask a sale person to do, in a store to see if a unit has clouds? I assume switching to an input with no source to get a black screen would do it, but how do I do that?

Thanks for any help you can provide,
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Just as I was about to Buy the KDL46XBR2 @ Bestbuy my gut instinct said to do research and now the word clouding has become the deal breaker. Is there a way to get Bestbuy or any retailer to let me know what the build date is on any of the KDL46XBR2 via the box or opening it? I just don't wanna end up replacing 1-3 copies of the KDL46XBR2 until I get the right one.
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Just as I was about to Buy the KDL46XBR2 @ Bestbuy my gut instinct said to do research and now the word clouding has become the deal breaker. Is there a way to get Bestbuy or any retailer to let me know what the build date is on any of the KDL46XBR2 via the box or opening it? I just don't wanna end up replacing 1-3 copies of the KDL46XBR2 until I get the right one.

Build date is not on the box, but S/N is.
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Please vote if you own or did own (i.e. returned) a Sony 46" XBR2 or XBR3 LCD 1080p HDTV. Please post your TV's build date. Vote yes if you have experienced the uneven backlight or cloudly screen problem with your set. Do NOT vote if you did not or have not owned one these TV's.

Thank you!

UPDATE:
The vote seems to be holding steady at 60% Yes, 40% No.

UPDATE 2:
PLEASE REPORT YOUR DEFECTIVE TV TO SONY BY CALLING 1-800-222-7669 AND ASKING TO SPEAK WITH A PRODUCT SPECIALIST.

OK, JUST RETURNED MY XBR2 BECAUSE OF MAJOR CLOUDING. IT WAS SO BAD, THAT YOU COULD SIT THERE AND WATCH THE CLOUDS FORM AND MOVE AROUND. JUST SAD. SO MUCH MONEY. WOW. I WOULDN'T HAVE CARED, BUT IT DID AFFECT THE PICTURE. NO DOUBT. I'M NOT PAYING 3K FOR THAT NONSENSE. I ALSO JUST HOOKED UP MY NEW SAMMY LN-S4696D. AWESOME, NO CLOUDS WHAT SO EVER. GO GET ONE. BETTER ALL AROUND PICTURE ANYWAY, I SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT IT TO BEGIN WITH. LIVE AND LEARN.

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Just as I was about to Buy the KDL46XBR2 @ Bestbuy my gut instinct said to do research and now the word clouding has become the deal breaker. Is there a way to get Bestbuy or any retailer to let me know what the build date is on any of the KDL46XBR2 via the box or opening it? I just don't wanna end up replacing 1-3 copies of the KDL46XBR2 until I get the right one.

Look at the pictures of cloudy sets in this forum, and then go shopping. The cloudness is there for all to see, very visable in the stores when on display.
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OK, JUST RETURNED MY XBR2 BECAUSE OF MAJOR CLOUDING. IT WAS SO BAD, THAT YOU COULD SIT THERE AND WATCH THE CLOUDS FORM AND MOVE AROUND. JUST SAD. SO MUCH MONEY. WOW. I WOULDN'T HAVE CARED, BUT IT DID AFFECT THE PICTURE. NO DOUBT. I'M NOT PAYING 3K FOR THAT NONSENSE. I ALSO JUST HOOKED UP MY NEW SAMMY LN-S4696D. AWESOME, NO CLOUDS WHAT SO EVER. GO GET ONE. BETTER ALL AROUND PICTURE ANYWAY, I SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT IT TO BEGIN WITH. LIVE AND LEARN.

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Very glad you got a good one, but I am about to get rid of my 4695D because it suffers from a cloudy picture. By no means is this model completely free of clouding.
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can anybody record a video of clouding effect on the lcd's so we can get a better image in our heads about how it works?
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The clouding effect is static. You're not going to get any better looks than the ones that already exist in pictures in this thread.
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