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For the holidays, I was thinking about buying a HDTV, but I don't have a huge budget, as you can probably tell by the title. I want a 1080p HDTV though, because I will also be getting a PS3, and i want to make use of it. I was wondering if this was worth buying, (I know a bit about HDTV's, but not a whole lot).

Westinghouse LVM-37W3 37" LCD TV
(16:9, 1920x1080, 1000:1, HDTV)

I guess I can't but a URL here...but if you wouldn't mind just googling it or something that would be great and give me your opinion.
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The LVM-37v3 seems to be a popular choice amongst 360/PS3 owners recently since many distributers have dropped it's price to the $1K or less range. There's at least one massive thread on these forums about the 37" Westinghouse with lots of console owners posting. Unfortunately, mine is currently on it's way from Crutchfield as we speak, so I can't tell you it's the right set from personal experience.

I'm not sure about the 1080p thing myself. I'm buying this LCD because it's a good 1080 line LCD for use with an HTPC, has an abundance of HD connection options, good PQ and doesn't make me pay for a tuner I won't use. It'd be nice if it had 2 HDMI connections instead of one, but getting 2 DVI's and a VGA is really great for computer geek types.

I'll probably be crucified for this, but I really wonder how much difference there is in 1080p on a 37" vs 720p. Maybe it'll show for games from a foot or two away, but I have to think 37" is too small to for most poeple's eye to resolve the difference watching movies from 6' or 8' ft away. Plus, I'm probably going to go the Xbox 360 route and I'm pretty sure all current 360 games are 720p scaled up to 1080p. At that point, it's just a matter of what hardware is doing the scaling. The content should look the same either way. I'm not sure about native 1080p games on the PS3. If they have them, maybe it's a big difference.

Still...it seems like a great panel for the money to me. The only caveate I've heard is that it has trouble de-interlacing some 1080i source material. Westinghouse evidently used a different, custom, de-interlacer in the 37v3 vs the 42v2's Faroudja and it sometimes has what has been characterized as more than usually blurred images for some fast moving 1080i content. Sounds like it's fine with film based material, but problematic for stuff like sports. Sorry if that sounds murky, but it's the best I've been able to cull from the huge 37w3 discussions thread.

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Sweet deal. I'm wondering if we are ever going to see 30" 1080p monitors. Also would be nice to see something in this price point with ATSC tuner.
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Yes, I agree. 1080p for a real small screen (I define that as anything under 42") is silly, IMHO.
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The LVM-37v3 seems to be a popular choice amongst 360/PS3 owners recently since many distributers have dropped it's price to the $1K or less range. There's at least one massive thread on these forums about the 37" Westinghouse with lots of console owners posting. Unfortunately, mine is currently on it's way from Crutchfield as we speak, so I can't tell you it's the right set from personal experience.

I'm not sure about the 1080p thing myself. I'm buying this LCD because it's a good 1080 line LCD for use with an HTPC, has an abundance of HD connection options, good PQ and doesn't make me pay for a tuner I won't use. It'd be nice if it had 2 HDMI connections instead of one, but getting 2 DVI's and a VGA is really great for computer geek types.

I'll probably be crucified for this, but I really wonder how much difference there is in 1080p on a 37" vs 720p. Maybe it'll show for games from a foot or two away, but I have to think 37" is too small to for most poeple's eye to resolve the difference watching movies from 6' or 8' ft away. Plus, I'm probably going to go the Xbox 360 route and I'm pretty sure all current 360 games are 720p scaled up to 1080p. At that point, it's just a matter of what hardware is doing the scaling. The content should look the same either way. I'm not sure about native 1080p games on the PS3. If they have them, maybe it's a big difference.

Still...it seems like a great panel for the money to me. The only caveate I've heard is that it has trouble de-interlacing some 1080i source material. Westinghouse evidently used a different, custom, de-interlacer in the 37v3 vs the 42v2's Faroudja and it sometimes has what has been characterized as more than usually blurred images for some fast moving 1080i content. Sounds like it's fine with film based material, but problematic for stuff like sports. Sorry if that sounds murky, but it's the best I've been able to cull from the huge 37w3 discussions thread.

Good luck!
First of all I can read this text and see one pixel period at the end of sentence from at least 7 feet away, so I'm not sure if I have such a good eyesight or everybody else is half blind, but my eye can resolve one high contrast pixel from 7-8 feet but isn't it the whole idea of video not to see the individual pixels???
Also when using computer or playing games I would never sit more than 3-4 feet away, well within the distance of resolving single pixels, otherwise you can't read the text. All this arguments seem to be recycled from older threads about ED vs HD just few years ago, except that now it's hard to find ED sets anymore to argue about.
Apple makes 30" computer monitor, I think with resolution of something close to 2400x1600, take a look at it when you have a chance and tell me you don't see how sharp it looks. I see no problems with sports or fast action, the problem sometimes shows up with 24 frame broadcast films and only at 1080i resolution. If that happens, it is easy to switch to 720p to make it go away. It almost looks like interlaced fields are reversed and it seems to me like field #2 of frame 1 is assembled with field #1 of frame 2, instead of field #1and #2 from frame 1 together. Westinghouse 37" uses Genesis 1601 processing chip.
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You might be right Pete. It doesn't help that I have less than 20-20 eyesight, even corrected. I may have to test it on my wife, who has very good visual acuity.

I did run across this great post by a user named J.J. elsewhere on these forums.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/print...0315&p=9050544

It's the first time I saw someone post actual numbers etc to try to quantify the "can I tell the difference" question.
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