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post #61 of 75 Old 12-09-2006, 03:16 PM
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http://www.cablestogo.com/product.as...=108&sku=26957

Then use the gender changer for the vga that comes with the xbox 360 vga cable and the hdmi to dvi cable.

Search around, I'm sure you can find even better prices. Also be sure the dvi end of the cable you get is a DVI-A or DVI-I, not a DVI-D cable.
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Wouldn't the change in signal decrease quality?
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Second opinion? Anyone?
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I have the Pioneer 5071HD. Is there any issues with gaming on a plasma? I would assume it would be ok as long as you dont leave it paused for a long period of time, or if it is paused, just have the screen saver come on. Any thoughts???

Also, not sure if anyone can direct me to the right spot, but I was reading Dnice's suggested settings. If I have my PS2 hooked up (soon to be PS3), should I use different settings?

Thanks for any help.
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Temporaryscars, all LCDs exhibit some ghosting. In First Person Shooters, the background usually gets blurry when you move.

VGA won't help either. I have my xbox 360 connected by VGA to my 26" Samsung 8ms LCD. It exhibits the same amount of blurring as it does with component cables. I've tried xbox 360 on a 32" Sony XBR1 LCD also. There was still ghosting.

The good news is that you will eventually stop noticing it.
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I dunno...it doesn't seem like mine should be this bad. I remember playing the 360 when it came out on a little LCD. I didn't notice any ghosting there.

Still, as much as I love this set for things other than gaming, I think i'm going to ditch it and go with the westinghouse 32w6. It's cheaper and i've heard good things about it. Plus, it has VGA, which I find oddly missing from my Sharp.
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"No, he definitely has a rare case. If you watch his videos, he has something much worse than ghosting (more accurately called blurring, btw) going on."

Yea but he claims he has tried his 360 on other LCDS and sees the same thing. So either several of his friends have malfunctioning LCDs or he is blurr susceptible.
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Well I would have thought the same thing until I saw his videos. What was happening in them wasn't blurring that you would normally see (or not see, depending on how sensitive you are, though ALL lcds have some amount of blurring), rather some kind of bad video processing that the TV was doing. I'd want to say they were from improper deinterlacing, but there shouldn't be any kind of deinterlacing going on since the 360 outputs progressive. What complicates it even more is that he says it becomes better over time. Strange indeed :(

If you want, Temporaryscars, I could post videos of how it looks on my LCD, but I doubt it would help matters much.
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Actually, that would be a huge help if you could post some videos.

I was told it gets better over time because the LCD panel gets warmer and thus, pixel transfers are quicker...or something...
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Alright. Here's a video from Saints Row:

http://aggybong.completelyfreehosting.com/asdf.mp4

I was surprised at the amount of blurring or more accurately, actually ghosting, that this showed. In real life you can barely notice it, though it's definitely there. I am pretty sure that it looks so bad only because of the camera used to capture it, so it may be the same case with your videos.
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That looks perfect to me. I didn't see any ghosting.

What

the

hell?!

Something is obviously wrong with my tv. Way to go Sharp. Thanks for screwing me over.

What tv do you have? Whatever it is, I want the exact one.
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Temporaryscars, all LCDs exhibit some ghosting.
If you can notice it depends on how well the display was designed. The issue is that when manufacturers give a single "response time" measurement, it's a totally bogus number that basically has no basis in reality.

What you want is for every possible gray level transition of the LCD pixel to be a low response time, and for them all be about the same response time. You could have a "6.5ms" set where many gray level transitions can take absurdly long (many times longer) meaning they'll be in transition for multiple frames, or one where the transitions take a significantly different amount of time which causes weird color artifacts on fast moving objects. At least in PC monitors, 99% of them have these issues.

The problem is I've not seen any HDTV reviewer go to the anal level of detail that you can find in PC LCD reviews. Tom's Hardware, for example, measures and graphs all those transition times. Here's an example of why the numbers manufacturers give you for response time are completely bogus - this is the curve for Sony's 16ms PC/TV monitor hybrid (fix the domain name, forum won't let me post the link right):
(tomshardware)/2006/03/27/the_spring_2006_lcd_collection/page31.html
Note that it peaks at 80ms! That's over 3 frames where the pixel isn't right.

A good PC LCD to compare with re ghosting is the VX-922, which is absurdly fast - the fastest LCD you could buy at least last I checked earlier this year. I can't see any ghosting at all, nor color artifacts, and I'm extremely sensitive to it. It'd be nice to see someone do that kind of anal level of reviewing to find out which is best in this regard.
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That looks perfect to me. I didn't see any ghosting.

What

the

hell?!

Something is obviously wrong with my tv. Way to go Sharp. Thanks for screwing me over.

What tv do you have? Whatever it is, I want the exact one.

It's the Westinghouse W3213. It was a special model for Best Buy during Black Friday, and they are sold out now. However, they still have the 32w6, which is pretty much the same thing.
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Thanks aggy, you've been a huge help. I now know what I must do!
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