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I want DVD movies on projectors. There just aren't enough HDTV content in bay area, CA, so I am still on the old analog cable.

I am looking for a moderately sized flat panel to watch normal TV. I don't like stretching 4:3 content to 16:9 to make everyone fat. If I use pillar box (black bars on the size) on a widescreen TV, the effective screen area is much smaller. For example, the normal TV area on a 32" widescreen is equivalent to 26", and I don't like those black bars on the side anyway.

Well, I cannot find any flat panel TV with normal aspect ratio larger than 20". If that's the largest I can get, I should as well stick to my old cube TV.
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Am I the only one who want a 4:3 LCD TV?
Yes

SD wouldn't look very good on a large lcd anyway. Stick with your cube. That's too bad you aren't able to get better service, in SF of all places.
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to paraphrase others, Yes.
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You sir, are a freak like those people who buy "fullscreen" dvd's on purpose.
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Go to Target and get Trutech 15", 17", 19" 26", 32" LCD TV HD Ready. These will display 4:3 in Full Screen Mode. Trutech is made by Alco Electronic Company in Canada. site is www.alcosupport.com

Trutech 15" LCD TV with HD Ready Features (Full Screen)
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Supports 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i
400:1 Contrast Ratio
NTSC SDTV Tuner
V-Chip
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6W Total Output (3W x 2)
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Inputs: 1-Composite Video, 1-SVideo, 1-Component Video (Y/Pb/Pr), 4 Left/Right Audio


Trutech 32" LCD TV with HD Ready Features (Widescreen)
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Contrast Ratio: 600:1
Inputs: 2-Composite Video, 2-SVideo, 2-Component Video (Y/Pb/Pr), 4 Left/Right Audio, 1-PCAudio, 1-PC VGA
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Dimensions (W x H x D inches): With Base: 39.4 x 21.6 x 6.3; Without Base: 39.4 x 19.6 x 4.1
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I have the 15" Trutech, excellent set for the Kitchen or Kids room. You just need a HD Tuner like the HDTV Dual Tuner Motorolla DCT 6214 Phase III works great. HD Content is clear and sharp with Component Video.
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tipstir,

I don't want 4:3 content to be displayed in full screen mode on a 16:9 screen (as the 32 inch Trutech). I want the native dimension to be 4:3.
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I want DVD movies on projectors. There just aren't enough HDTV content in bay area, CA, so I am still on the old analog cable.
Not enuff HDTV in the bay area??? I get my locals OTA in the bay area and there is plenty of HDTV. Most primetime shows are in HD not to mention lots of sports. There is even local news (even if it is Fox) in HD.

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Not enuff HDTV in the bay area??? I get my locals OTA in the bay area and there is plenty of HDTV. Most primetime shows are in HD not to mention lots of sports. There is even local news (even if it is Fox) in HD.
Maybe the shows the OP watches are not broadcast or available in HD at all. 80% of what i watch is only available in 4:3 SD so if it wasn't for the fact that i simply wanted a much bigger screen size, i would have kept my excellent 32" Panny HD Tube TV and not bought the Plasma.

Analog 4:3 SD won't look very good on any LCD TV, and the larger the screen size is the poorer the picture will look. I'd be more inclined to just keep the trusty Tube TV, otherwise you'd have to get a very good quality 37" or 40" LCD TV with a good stretch mode and get used to watching 4:3 content stretched, or better yet get a excellent quality black bezel'd LCD and watch it in 4:3 mode with the black bars. They're not so bad when the bezel is also black. Hitachi makes a kick-ass 37" LCD, and JVC's 40" model would be a good choice as well. Both are said to display SD very well, probably better than any other LCD TV.

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Look for something in the 20" range, possibly EDTV instead of HDTV
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I don't want 4:3 content to be displayed in full screen mode on a 16:9 screen (as the 32 inch Trutech). I want the native dimension to be 4:3.

Then the TruTech 15", 17" and 19" would fit the build since they only display SD/HD at 4:3 only.
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I just bought a Sylvania 20" LCD 4x3 TV for under 300 bucks at Kmart. It has a pretty decent display for the price.

Model 6620LCT
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Yes you got yourself a Funai brand you'll be happy with it.. They sell those at SamsClub for much less than that.
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Trutech has excellent stereo sound and alot of features you really don't see in less expensive LCD TVs this one has HD but, you need a tuner for that though..
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SD can look very good on properly-calibrated LCD TVs with good scalars. Of course, the image cannot be any better than the source/signal quality. - DR
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Read the original post. Johnqh wants a 4:3 LCD TV that is larger than 20 inches!.



Johnqh,

I am with you. I would really like to buy a 24" to 27" 4:3 LCD TV. For those of you who do not understand, this would be a secondary TV for watching the 4:3 content that is currently 95% of what cable offers. I too am not interested in fattening all the actors by stretching the picture to fit widescreen.

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Then the TruTech 15", 17" and 19" would fit the build since they only display SD/HD at 4:3 only.
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What's wrong with watching 4:3 with black bars?
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no need to fatten. the black bars are not a perfect scenario, but they are not going away either. as long as there is more than one aspect ratio in use, there will be a need for black bars. So like I said, they aren't going away. No need to be disturbed by them. It's just a matter of changing your perspective. Don't get hung up on something that isn't even a part of the picture. Change is good. Your choices are:
1. Learn to deal with it and get an awesome new display.
2. Refuse to deal with it and continue watching your old tv.
3. Buy a different display for each aspect ratio. Yeah, that makes sense. :eek: :eek: :eek:

While you are fretting over black bars, you are missing out on tons of great hd content. Change isn't easy, but it is almost always the right thing to do.
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I am not saying black bar is not necessary occasionally. I am saying I want to choose the physical form according to watch I watch, and since I want a TV to watch SDTV, the physical TV should be 4:3.

As I said, I watch the DVD with my front projector.

There aren't much "great hd content" to miss. Comcast's HD offering is sad, and I don't plan to get Blue Ray or HD DVD yet.

There is no point switching from the old 20" tube TV to a 20" LCD, so I am looking for something around 26". No luck. The largest 4:3 LCD TV is about 20".

Since analog cable is analog, the image quality on LCD TV should be no different as on the tube. There is no digital upscaling (pixel doubling). Actually it is a digitizing process and it should happen at the native resolution - unless the LCD TV is stupid enough to digitizing at low res and upscaling it.

I cannot believe some of the responses I got - to get the best technology and then not to watch video the way it was intended? If the TV has color tint, people will be all over trying to calibrate it to give the best natural color. However, people tolerate fattening everything and everyone by 33%?

If you take a picture of your wife, stretch 33% and print the picture, she will be screening at you!

And this is what's wrong with black bars:
1. It is not natural.
2. It wastes 25% of the screen area, meaning the TV could have been significantly cheaper, takes 20% less horizontal space, weights 20% less and use 20% less energy (taking the bezel into consideration).
3. Potential for burn-in for plasma (some people would do burn-in period with the video stretched).
4. Some TV's don't use black bars - they have those gray lines and look horrible. I don't know if that's particular to certain brands and if it is a user setting.
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I don't want 4:3 content to be displayed in full screen mode on a 16:9 screen (as the 32 inch Trutech). I want the native dimension to be 4:3.
The biggest 4:3 lcd i ever saw was 20". i owned one from Costco's last winter for a short time and then returned it for the 27" Akai.
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The biggest 4:3 lcd i ever saw was 20". i owned one from Costco's last winter for a short time and then returned it for the 27" Akai.
You realized that when watching SDTV, the display area of the 27" widescreen is about the same as the 20" normal aspect ratio, right?
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ROFL....can't believe this...If it doesn't fit want u want don't buy it... Hey don't expect to buy a Ferrari and and get the best gas milage around..... There's a reason it's called WIDESCREEN display....It's to display stuff in WIDESCREEN...So if it's not, well u have to adjust or not use it.....
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Then the TruTech 15", 17" and 19" would fit the build since they only display SD/HD at 4:3 only.

I have the Scientific Atlanta 8300 HD DVR and I watch SD tv using 480P widescreen format and I think it looks very good. The HD broadcasts are amazing, so you can probably get the best of both worlds. I set my aspect to "full screen." Nothing is cutoff and the picture quality is very good.

Why not buy technolgy that will work better in the future as there are only going to be more HD broadcasts.
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