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post #181 of 1801 Old 01-26-2007, 11:17 AM
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Just a quick thing about the return policy, Don't you think that they would expect a certain percentage of returns being the set is being bought sight unseem?
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anyone just called Philips and tried to ask what the true info on this TV is, and is it the same one listed in Costco coupon thats on their website?
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Just a quick thing about the return policy, Don't you think that they would expect a certain percentage of returns being the set is being bought sight unseem?

Well, considering that they don't have to ship defined quantities of these large sized items to their warehouse stores to take up large amounts of space and not sell. Comparing that to the percentage of ones that will not be returned, they're probably still better off.
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anyone just called Philips and tried to ask what the true info on this TV is, and is it the same one listed in Costco coupon thats on their website?

Sorry to be redundant, but have you read the whole thread?
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so no one actually bought this set early from costco like 47'' vizo???? also 1080I and lcd dont roll its always P so theirs someting up with the 1080i/p output only bull crap its full hd 1080p and does everyitng or its not full 1080

oh and please dont spread misleading information about costco if you or nobody has proof to back it up

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I also work at Costco. The Philips 47" will be $1999.99 - a $300 coupon. ONLINE only! There is no change in TV refunds yet, but I hear one is one the way. I am also not happy with my 47" Vizio. ... speaker hum, and bad audio sync problems.
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i hope this new refund policy only applies to certain customers, such like if they keep on having bad rep (seeing them thro their member card) or someting but if costco cuts down on their policies they are pretty much going down anyways as far as the 47 phillps goes i think the offer goes even in store

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so no one actually bought this set early from costco like 47'' vizo???? also 1080I and lcd dont roll its always P so theirs someting up with the 1080i/p output only bull crap its full hd 1080p and does everyitng or its not full 1080

oh and please dont spread misleading information about costco if you or nobody has proof to back it up

Did you read this thread at all? This is online only so there is no way to see the set "early" as you suggest, nor purchase it "early" any other way because no other retailer carries it set. Jeez!
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Showing my ignorance; even after reading the specs for the Phillips 47", I don't know if it has separate fixed and variable audio out connections. I would like to be able to connect a wireless headset (which requires fixed analog audio out) and a separate set of speakers (which require variable analog audio out). Any way to tell from specs?



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I picked up the 47" Vizio two weeks ago at Costco (redeemed my coupon a couple of days ago). Had to do some major tweaking to get colors and black levels to optimum output. The Vizio has a native contrast ratio of 800:1 (1600:1 dynamic)*. The set performs quite well in standard lighted scenes.[/color]
*(The Sharp Aquos, at present, has the best native LCD contrast ratio of 2000:1 (10,000:1 dynamic) with refresh response time of 4ms) The design of the Vizio is simply stunning; very attractive (one of the best cosmetic facade designs I've seen)! Some very serious work went into this unit. Its frame and touch sensitive strip is very, very impressive (similar in the way Apple designs its equipment.) Posh, to say the least!!!



Where the Vizio really disappoints me is night, shadows and interior shots/scenes... there is little to no detail as the set with a limited contrast ratio of 800:1 (dynamic 1600:1) is simply incapable of producing.

The Phillips' has a dynamic contrast ratio of 4000:1 with no reference to native.

Both sets have refresh response times of 8ms anything below 16ms should be acceptable for sports/action.
A very important note!!!: Use only HDMI connectors for HD programming/source feeds. Avoid YPbPr connectors as they cause bottle-necking in through-put with an end result in unwanted artifacts.
A serious note to consider!!!: Vizio's website claims 280w average while the user manual states 400w. Philips claims 323w. These are relatively high numbers and are similar to plasma consumptions as compared to Sharp's Aquos 46 LCD, 270w.

The spread between manufacturer's suggested retail between both 47" LCD units is 1k.


Philips Features/Specs (via Philips Website):

Picture/Display
Aspect ratio : 16:9
Brightness : 500 cd/m²
Dynamic screen contrast : 4000:1
Response time (typical) : 8 ms
Viewing angle : 176º (H) / 176º (V)
Diagonal screen size (inch) : 47 inch
Display screen type : LCD Full HD W-UXGA Act. matrix
Panel resolution : 1920x1080p
Picture enhancement : Pixel Plus 3 HD, 3/2 - 2/2 motion pull down, 3D Combfilter, Active Control, Color Transient Improvement, Digital Crystal Clear, Digital Natural Motion, Digital Noise Reduction, Jagged Line Suppression, LTI, Progressive Scan, Widescreen Plus
Screen enhancement : Anti-Reflection coated screen

Supported Display Resolution
Computer formats : 640 x 480, 60Hz, 800 x 600, 60Hz, 1024 x 768, 60Hz
Video formats : 480i, 60Hz, 480p, 60Hz, 720p, 60Hz, 1080i, 60Hz

Sound
Output power (RMS) : 2x8W
Sound Enhancement : Digital Signal Processing, Dynamic Bass Enhancement, Graphic Equalizer
Sound System : Virtual Dolby Digital

Loudspeakers
Built-in speakers : 6
Loudspeaker types : Front Speakers, Integrated woofers with wOOx, Dome tweeter

Convenience
Child Protection : Child Lock+Parental Control
Clock : Smart Clock
Ease of Installation : Auto Programme Naming, Automatic Tuning System (ATS), Autostore, PLL Digital Tuning, Plug & Play
Ease of Use : Auto Volume Leveller (AVL), Channel list, Delta Volume per preset, Graphical User Interface, On Screen Display, Side Control, Smart Picture Control, Smart Sound Control
Remote Control : Amp, DVD, STB, VCR
Remote control type : RC4405
Screen Format Adjustments : 4:3, 6 Widescreen Modes, Auto Format, Movie expand 14:9, Movie expand 16:9, Subtitle and Heading Shift, Subtitle Zoom, Super Zoom, Widescreen
Teletext : Closed Captioning Full Text
VESA Mount : Wallmounting possible: 700x200, M8

Multimedia Applications
Multimedia connections : USB (streaming video capable)
Playback Formats : MP3, Slideshow files (.alb), JPEG Still pictures, MPEG2

Tuner/Reception/Transmission
Aerial Input : 75 ohm F-type
TV system : ATSC, NTSC
Video Playback : NTSC
Cable : Unscrambled Digital Cable -QAM

Connectivity
AV 1 : (1, 2, 3Fh autoranging), Audio L/R in, Component Video in, CVBS in, RGB+H/V, S-Video, YPbPr
AV 2 : Audio L/R in, CVBS, S-Video
AV 3 : (1, 2, 3Fh autoranging), S/PDIF digital coaxial, YPbPr
AV 4 : HDMI
AV 5 : HDMI
Front / Side connections : Audio L/R in, CVBS in, Headphone out, S-video in, USB
Other connections : S/PDIF in (coaxial), S/PDIF out (coaxial)

Power
Ambient temperature : 5 °C to 40 °C
Mains power : AC 110 -240 V +/- 10%
Power consumption : 323 W
Standby power consumption : 0.54

Dimensions
Set Width : 1210 mm
Set Height : 824 mm
Set Depth : 146 mm
Set height (with stand) : 880 mm
Set depth (with stand) : 394 mm
Product weight : 49.4 kg
Color cabinet : Black

Accessories
Included Accessories : Table top stand, RF cable


Vizio Features/Specs (via Vizio Website):

Specification
Size: 47-in*
*Viewable: 46.96-in
Tuner: Integrated NTSC/ATSC/QAM HDTV Tuner

Supported TV Formats
1080p, 1080i, 720p, 720i, 480p, 480i

Native Panel Resolution: 1920 x 1080

Supported PC Resolutions
1366 x 768, 1280 x 720, 1024 x 768, 854 x 480, 800 x 600

Specification
Panel Type: 47" Diagonal*, 16:9 Wide Screen, Color TFT Active Matrix LCD
Panel Specifications: Anti-Static and hard coated surface
Pixel/Dot Pitch: 0.5415mm (H) x 0.5415mm (V)
Display Compatibility: FULL HDTV (1080P)
Signal Compatibility: 480i (SDTV), 480P (EDTV), 720P (HDTV), 1080i (HDTV), 1080P (FULL HDTV)
Response Time: 8 ms (typical)
Colors: 8 bit 16.77 Million colors
Brightness: 500 cd/m2 (typical)
Contrast Ratio: 800:1 (Typical), 1600:1 (with DCR)
Viewable Angle: >178 degrees (horizontal and vertical)

Inputs
RF (F Connector for internal tuner): 1
HDMI whith HDCP: 2
Analog Stereo Audio for HDMI Inputs: 1
Component YPbPr plus Stereo Audio: 2
Composite Video: 2
S-Video plus Stereo Audio: 1
Computer RGB plus Stereo Audio: 1
Service Port: 1

Outputs
Analog Audio out (RCA): 1
5.1 SPDIF Digital Optical Audio: 1
Headphone (Stereo Mini-Jack): 0

Additional Information
Picture-in-Picture (PIP)
Picture-outside-Picture (POP)
Closed Caption (CC)
V-Chip
3D Comb Filter
Zoom
Freeze
3:2 or 2:2 Reverse Pull-down
ATSC with 8VSB & QAM demodulation
ATSC with MPEG-2 decoding
NTSC Video decoding via RF: Yes, thru Antenna, Cable, or Satellite
NTSC Video decoding via Video: Yes, thru CVBS, S-Video, or Component
Progressive Scan Video: Yes, thru Component YPbPr, VGA or HDMI
HDTV: Yes, thru HDMI or Component YPbPr
Computer: 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, 1360 x 768 thru VGA or 640x480 thru HDMI
Sound enhancement: Yes, SRS TrueSrround XT
Color Temperature: 6500K (standard), 5400K and 9300K
Color Fine Tuning: Independent Red, Green and Blue
Audio: Built-in 10W x 2 plus 20W x 1 Subwoofer
Lamp (LCD) / Panel (PDP) Life: 50000 hours
Power: IEC Connector for direct power line connection
Voltage Range100 ~ 240 Vac at 50/60 Hz
Power Consumption: 280W average (Manual States 400w)
Removable Base
Removable Speakers

Weight
Gross:104 lbs
Net: 88.7 lbs
Without Stand: 77.7 lbs
Without Speakers: 70.6 lbs

Dimensions
Carton:
Net: 44.5" W x 31.4" H x 10.6" D
Without Stand: 44.5" W x 29.8" H x 4.5" D
Without Stand and Speakers: 44.5" W x 26.9" H x 4.5" D
Certifications: (None Stated)

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visited my local Costco Home, they have probably 40 of those tvs sitting on pallets and Full 1080p HD written all over the boxes.
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Costco Home? I thought they weren't selling these at the warehouses, only on line.
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visited my local Costco Home, they have probably 40 of those tvs sitting on pallets and Full 1080p HD written all over the boxes.

The picture also shows the price on the box. It doesn't jive with what it was suppose to be. Wonder what is going on with that?
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The picture also shows the price on the box. It doesn't jive with what it was suppose to be. Wonder what is going on with that?

That's without coupon. I think coupon offers $300 off.

This was at Costco Home in Kirkland, WA.

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That's without coupon. I think coupon offers $300 off.

This was at Costco Home in Kirkland, WA.

See last post from Tool Shed up above.
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even the product page on philips' site is wacky:

at the top, it says "full HD, 1920x1080p"

then in the specs it lists inputs:
Computer formats : 640 x 480, 60Hz, 800 x 600, 60Hz, 1024 x 768, 60Hz
Video formats : 480i, 60Hz, 480p, 60Hz, 720p, 60Hz, 1080i, 60Hz

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(1) note missing 1080p
(2) it only accepts 1024x768 from a computer!?!?!
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Do we have any forum members who are going to go to the Kirkland store and load one of these things up? This may be the best way to clear up all the confusion.
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which has me thinking....if that costco deal really is only 1/29 to 2/4, it's too bad - means that there won't be time for me to wait for reviews to pop up on the site and still get the deal.
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Do we have any forum members who are going to go to the Kirkland store and load one of these things up? This may be the best way to clear up all the confusion.

I would if it wasn't Costco Home. Last time they gave me hard time after returning Philips 32" which I only had for a week (prior I returned another TV after a month and Queen size mattress) The guy was very rude and said that I returned too many expensive items, then he treatned to "comment" all my further returns.

I might though order it online. Btw, does anyone know how many colors does this set have?

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visited my local Costco Home, they have probably 40 of those tvs sitting on pallets and Full 1080p HD written all over the boxes.

Thanks for your picture and info! Anxious to get more pix of the display or first day purchases from anyone. And of course many of us are waiting for the first reviews.
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Tv is up for sale online, but 3 weeks shipping is a little discouraging

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I have grown weary of poor marketing and shoddy production qualities and decided to opt for a different solution.

The JVC HD-58S998, a 10.75" deep HD-ILA set that is wall mountable via an accessory that they sell. That is a mere 6-7" difference from your average LCD set but yeilds far superior PQ. This tells me that they really put some thought into it.

I've seen JVC sets in person and they are every bit as good as the larger name brands like Sony, Sharp, etc and, more importantly, I have not seen threads dedicated to any problems that these larger companies suffer from.

A 58" TV for about the same money as a 52" Aquos at on-line prices that also accepts 1080p inputs minus the drawbacks of LCD seems like a no-brianer to me.

I only discovered last night that this set has a wall mount option direct from JVC (There are other options available for RPT sets from the likes of Peerless), which is fantastic because I was going to head to Costco on Tuesday and buy this Philips set.

I have yet to get the fulls specifications of this set but I am pretty sure it will include a Cable-card slot as well as Firewire ports. I do know for a fact that it will accept 1080p inputs over it HDMI ports.

I'll keep anyone who is interested posted and I should mention that the MSRP of this set is only $300 more than the MSRP of the Philips this thread is dedicated to.

We all know that MSRp is never the asking price except for at retail locations like BB, CC, CompUSA, etc.
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Tv is up for sale online, but 3 weeks shipping is a little discouraging

is it online only? i don't think i can buy it without a review, or at least seeing it
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I am somewhat new to the HDTV scene. I am very interested in the Philips 47", but many of you have mentioned its lack of 1920X1080 for computer gaming. I am not a gamer, but I would like to plug in my computer for picture viewing and internet surfing. Will I notice the difference in 1024x768 vs 1920x1080? I don't even know if my computer needs a special graphics card to send a 1080 signal. I was looking at the Westinghouse 47" that is on sale at BB too, but besides this computer signal issue, the Philips looks like a better set.

Please give me your thoughts guys!
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Called 2 local Costcos, one in NY, one in MA. None of them have the TV in the warehouse. They don't even know when these would come to the store. Online shipping kills the deal
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I bought the 47" Vizio 1080p at Costco a couple weeks ago with the coupon. I wall mounted it and it looks great. Now my wife wants another 47" for the bedroom. However, the Vizio coupon has expired.

I'm going to jump on this 47" Phillips. I would prefer to just pick it up at the local Costco. I went to the local Costco last night and looked up in the rafters, but no 47" Phillips. Also, no 47" Vizio's either. So, I guess I am going to have to pay the $125 shipping and wait the 20 business days to get the Phillips. But on the positive side, at least I am getting it delivered inside my house. I don't have to deal with hauling it home.

Worst case, if I don't like it, I can just return it to the local Costco. However, unless it is defective, I am sure I am going to love it.
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Will costco refund the shipping if you order it online then need to return it?
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Another thing about returns at Costco.

I bought the 47" Vizio. It had two stuck pixels. One stuck red, and one stuck green. I took it back to Costco the same day. They had to bring the Manager over. He opened the box to check that everything was there; TV set, manuals, remote, etc. Then he gave me a full refund, no problem. He asked why I was returning it, I said "it has two stuck pixels". I went and bought another 47" Vizio right away. I told the manager I would give Vizio a second chance, but if the second one had stuck pixels I would return it as well, and then shop around for another brand. He said "no problem". It turned out the second Vizio was fine. I have been enjoying it ever since.
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Im have been following this thread for quite a while (atleast since the day costco's wallet coupon book came out). Im planning to buy this one, just had a quick question - does this tv come with Tuner at all? Will it be able to work with any off the air channel if I have a HD antenna?

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Will costco refund the shipping if you order it online then need to return it?

Yes they will. Here is the return policy:

Costco com has a 100% guarantee on all of our merchandise. If you are not completely satisfied with your purchase,
we offer two convenient return methods. Costco com refunds include shipping and handling fees.
1. You can return the item to the nearest Costco Wholesale location. To find a location, please click here.

2. If you are unable to return your order to one of our warehouses, please e-mail us at customer service.
Please include your name, order confirmation number, phone number, and reason for return. You will be
contacted regarding your return within 5 to 7 business days.
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I also work at Costco. The Philips 47" will be $1999.99 - a $300 coupon. ONLINE only!

That doesn't seem correct. When checked online, that price is with the coupon already figured into it.
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