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post #1 of 76 Old 01-14-2007, 03:10 PM - Thread Starter
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I have been doing research on cantilever/articulating/swingout mounts in the past 2 weeks and having a hard time deciding.

My set is a Sony 46V25xx LCD and it needs to mount on a side wall and be able to pivot out into the viewing area and back up to the wall when needed.


The Red is where I plan to put the LCD and the blue is the proposed mount.

After looking around, my favorite mount is the Premier AM3 as it looks quite sturdy and capable of what I'm trying to do. Anyone have any feedback or insight into this? Any other suggestions?

I'd mount it above the Fireplace, but the mantle top is already at 56", so the extreme angle to watch eliminates it as a possibility.

Other options are to get an A/V stand with integrated Flat Panel Wall mount and put it on Casters to roll back to the wall when not in use. I only have a Receiver/Amp, DirecTV with TiVo box, DirecTV HD box and my MCE PC will sit next to/under it as the DVD player, so not much in the way of equipment to rack up (also looking at audio racks, so this might be a better solution).

Thanks for looking and any feedback you can offer.
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I used the Sanus articulating mount when I put my Westy 47" on the wall. Actually, it's almost in the corner, gives me some choices of where I want to view from when the wif changes the furniture around every 7 months. It was 'free' cause I bought an open box and BB gave me a $200 gift card which paid for the $199 mount. 2 or 3 screws into the base plate on a stud, screw the mount arm onto the TV and get a friend to help you lift it onto the base plate. Easy. Good luck.

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Thank you for your input. I was checking out the Sanus, but I couldn't find enough information about the distance from the wall, so I don't know if it would be able to give me the viewing angle I'm looking for. That's one of the main reasons I'm looking at the Premier AM3.

Thinking more and more about an all in one stand with a wall mount built in. Put it on casters and roll it the 14" or so from the wall to allow for better viewing. Not sure how that'd look though.

Anyone else?
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I used an articulating mount from Peerless for my 50" panny pdp. The panny is ~95 lb, and there is absolutley 0 sag in the mount and I have it extended in a similar manner.

I'm using a dual arm articulating mount (plav-70), which does limit the range somewhat, but I can live with it. The extra support is worth the piece of mind. One other thing, peerless does have speaker attachments for some of their modles. It's really nice for a center channel (or the Polk Surroundbar) if needed.

If interested, plug the modle number in google and you'd be surprised how much cheaper you can find the mount.

HTH

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Depending upon the weight you might need a beefier mount. Here is the link to BB for the Sanus I used http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1141762940587 It's listed for 80lbs and my Westy specs say it's 78lbs, close to the top end but I don't expect to move/swing the TV more than once or twice a year. It also has a nice tilt feature. Since I mounted a bit high (4ft) I tilted the display forward about 4-6 degrees for a better view. It's worked out great. As far as 'sag' I'm not really sure what Steve is referring to but this mount is heavy steel and it doesn't 'sag'. Let us know what you decide.
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As far as 'sag' I'm not really sure what Steve is referring to but this mount is heavy steel and it doesn't 'sag'. Let us know what you decide.
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I've read and heard reports where the cantilever on some of the cheaper mounts will sag/bend under weight.

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I use the Chief PWL-2000B, and I have had good luck with it. It extends out about 15 inches from the wall, and moves 55 degrees side to side.
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thanks everyone. I haven't made my decision, but these are the mounts being discussed:

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Sanus:

Unknown model #: Holds flat-panel LCD TVs up to 40" and 80 lbs.
Measures 12-1/2"H x 15"W x 3-1/2"D; hinged arm extends TV from 3-1/2" to 20" off the wall
Silver powder-coated heavy-gauge steel construction
Virtual Axis tilt adjustment system for easy and smooth tilting with the touch of a finger

VMAA26:

Solid heavy-gauge steel construction
Durable powder-coated finish (black or silver)
Virtual Axis tilt adjustment system (patent pending)
Hinged extension arm extends TV from 3.25" to 26" off wall
Fits most TVs from 30" - 50"
Supports up to 130 lbs.
Product Dimensions W = 29.5" D = 3.25"-26" H = 18.5"

VMDD26:

Fits most large flat panel plasma and LCD TVs 50"-63"
Hinged extension arms extend TV from 3.5" to 25.75" off wall
Tilt adjustment system offers up to -20/+5 degree angle adjustment
Angle position may be locked simply by tightening a knob
Mount can rotate +/- 6 degrees after installation to ensure level
Solid heavy steel construction
Supports up to 175 lbs
Product Dimensions W = 36" D = 3.5"-25.75" H = 24"



Peerless:
The PLAV70

features dual-arm, all-steel construction that holds screens up to 71" and weighing up to 200 lb. The PLAV70's self-lubricating bushings enable your screen to smoothly articulate, while adjustable tilt and pivot allow you to position your screen for the optimal viewing angle. Swing, tilt and extend your plasma or LCD screen, even in and out of recessed cubby holes and custom frames with the vertical adjustment feature that provides the capability to raise or lower your screen for a perfectly aligned installation.

The PLA60

offers a single solution for screens up to 60" in a wide range of installations including lobbies, hotel rooms, boardrooms, public displays or home theaters. Its all-steel construction enables it to hold screens up to 175 lb, while its self-lubricating bushings enable the arms to smoothly articulate and position your screen for optimal viewing. Combined with adjustable tilt and pivot capabilities, the PLA60 is the only wall arm you need.



Premier Mounts:
AM3:

Universal design fits most 40"-61" LCD or Plasma Displays
160 LBS weight capacity
Extends from 26" from the wall, folds to 4"
Up to 180° of left/right swivel
Tilt adjustment +/- 10°
Cable Routing inside arms
Silver finish


OmniMount UXL:


Dual arm Cantilever mount
Lift n' Lock for easy installation
Integrated cable management
Fits 42" to 63" Flat panels
200 lb. (90.7kg) max weight
Double stud mounting
Profile from wall: 6.2"



SolidMOUNTS UA-2


150-lb. maximum Ideal for any 42", 43", 46" and 50" Plasma TV
Cantilever arm mount for plasma panels
Allows maximum flexibility for installing and viewing your plasma display
Arm allows extension and 180° lateral rotation for viewing from multiple locations
Allows tilt and swivel for optimum viewing
Durable powder coat finish
Available in Grey or Black
Arm extendes 24"



Chief PNR and PDR


Compatible with 42- 65 screns up to 200 lbs (90.7 kg)
CableTrac System channeled cable management
Provides up to 4-1/2 of shift left or right of 16 centers
Provides quick screen connect and disconnect - Portrait/landscape capability
fingertip tilt from +5º to -15º.

PDR
Extends over 37 (94 cm) from wall, collapses to less than 3 (76 mm)
PNR
Extends 24-7/8 (63.2 cm) from wall, collapses to 3 (76 mm)



PDR-AWM175


4" Thin when closed
Rotate a 55" Plasma/LCD 90 degrees
Tilts up 5 degrees and down 10 degrees
Cable management included
Includes PDM110THN Wall Mount
Limited lifetime manufacturer warranty on defects in material or workmanship
Designed for a wide variety of manufacturers, display panels from 36" to 55"
165 lb. UL certified load rating (can hold 700 lbs)
Rugged heavy gage metal construction
Tough powder coated "solar black" finish





I definitely understand the need for a beefier mount, especially since I will be moving it regularly. I'd rather go with a little overkill, then have it sag or pull away from the wall. I know my set is less than 60 pounds, but I'd like to get a mount that is designed for a greater load to ensure it's safe and reliable.

Still researching all in one stand with wall mount as I like how it'd also take care of the cabling issues. I need to make a decision by Monday so I can get it in and setup before the Super Bowl. Not really complaining, since it's currently sitting on my dresser in my bedroom and I'm going to miss it in there...

Thanks again and any more opinions are welcome!

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Great thread. Question on these mounts.... Do you have to fix the position of the mount each time you move it to a new viewing position; or can you just push/pull/tilt the mount in any direction at any time? I'm picking up a LCD and want an articulating mount; but I haven't figured out how complicated it is to change the viewing position / angle.

Hope this makes sense.

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Thanks Drew. I was surprised I didn't find one or more on this topic when I searched, but I could have just missed them.

I'm not sure about the tilting, but the push/pull and angular settings on the Peerless and Premier mounts are not fixed and can easily be moved. Tilting won't be an issue for me, so I haven't looked into whether or not these have to be fixed once set to the right angle. I do know they all have tilting options (edit: the Sanus models appear to have knobs to tighten once the vertical angle is established, but look easy to adjust). Some have specific mounts for specific sets (to a hole pattern or cable access), but the above are all shown with the universal adapter that should work for most if not all sets.

My Sony has the cabling at the rear in the center, so I may have to use nylon spacers betwen the set and the mount to allow for cable insertion/removal. One more thing to think about with wall mounts...
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I've posted about articulating arms before with only a few or no responses. It's one of the benefits of splitting up the forums that non PDP specific topics don't get pushed down off the front page too quickly.

Thanks for the response. Keep up posted on what you decide. I'm still researching. Between the PDP ($2-3k) Articulating Mount ($300-550), professional installation ($300) and cables ($200) I'm taking my time with the decision. Throw in a new media cabinate and a Harmony 880-890 and this whole flat panel purchase is costing close to 5k. :-)
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22benjamin22-

If you are interested in a beefier mount look at the Sanus VMAA26 full motion mount. It can extend up to 25.75" away from the wall, swivel up to 90 degrees, holds up to 130lbs and has a base that spans 2 studs. I mounted my Philips using the VMDD26 which is way overkill but I feel more comfortable and it allows me to change my TV without having to change the mount.

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Thanks for the info Steve. It sounds like there may be more mounts of this type out there than I have found so far.

Hopefully others will offer opinions and other options if they know of any. Searching for "Articulating" or "Cantilever" here doesn't meet with great information.

Add those to "TV", "Flat Panel", "LCD" or "Plasma" and "mount" on most search engines doesn't give great results either.
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Here is another mount that was recomended to a while back; not cheap but it looks high quality:

http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/pllcdtvmo.html
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Holy! Wow, that's beefy... and pricey.
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hahaha funny you mention that. I am a long time member of the Remote Control Racing world and a manufacturer friend called me tonight and asked if I was going to automate the articulation
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Will these mounts work on brick walls? I think the wall we would want to put the mount on is brick, as it is the wall between our townhouse and the next. I'd like a mount that swivels and tilts a bit. I'd guess that we'd use a masonary drill and those expanding plastic plugs for the screws, but wondered if anyone has done this yet. Thanks!
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In the past, I have mounted many things to all sorts of masonry, brick, concrete, cinder block, and even granite.

The way to affix depends on the type, thickness and application of material (brick) and the weight that will be suspended and how it will be suspended. If you are unfamiliar with this, I would get an AV specialist or a general contractor to inspect and provide advice or do the job for you.

Yes, as long as the wall can support it, just get the appropriate mount and you should be fine.
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I had not seen the Cheif mounts before. Thanks for that info. I didn't find any reasonable photos online, so it's hard to tell, but it looks less sturdy (the backyard engineer in me), so I'll probably eliminate it for that alone.

I am also hunting for a mount - mine will go inside a cabinet that is about 12" deep - I want to pull the center of the panel out about 15-20" and then tilt the panel towards the center of the room for better viewing. (This cabinet is mounted in the corner of a room with a fireplace taking center stage on that wall).

I have used a Chief mount for my PJ in a lower level theater. It is very sturdy, completely configurable and easy to hang. I have looked at their flat panel mounts and am considering their dual arm PNR mount. It can allow the panel to come out 24" from the wall, and supports 200lbs (the panel I plan to hang is less than 80). Their PWR mount is single arm and only 125lbs capable. The PWL is a smaller mount, without the ability to move closer or away from the wall

Here is the PNR photo

Their brochure on the Reaction series mounts is helpful.

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More Great info! Thanks. I've combined pictures and information of all the mounts discussed so far in the above post.

I really like the Chief PDR for my purposes. It has accessories available for side and center speakers which would make it really nice in my application. Now to call and fear the price (they don't list prices which usually means "if you have to ask, you can't afford it")
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I really like the Chief PDR for my purposes. It has accessories available for side and center speakers which would make it really nice in my application. Now to call and fear the price (they don't list prices which usually means "if you have to ask, you can't afford it")

They are pretty pricey. List on the PDR is around $750. The PWR is around $500. You can find better on the Internet.

AVS, the hosts of this site, carry Chief as well. I bought my Chief PJ mount from them at a good discount off of list. I feel it is good to give them some business every now and then, as this site is extremely helpful.

I have e-mail in to Jason for my quote, but have been waiting for more than a week for a response (with a second e-mail ping in between). Had the same problem last year trying to get a quote by e-mail. But their prices are good....

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What do you guys think of this mount? Do you think it's sturdy enough for a 50lb 40" LCD? I'm mounting it on dry wall above my fireplace. I saw concern here about sagging and bending.

OmniMount FP-CL B/S - Large LCD Cantilever Wall Mount

Cantilever design allows large LCD's (30"-40") to store flat against wall or pullout via an articulating arm
Mount extends from wall and allows TV to be rotated.
Same dimensions as the Omnimount CL
Max load - 80 lbs. (meant for LCD's from 30-80 lbs.)
New Design is VESA 75/100/200 (200mm x 100mm) /400 (200mm x 200mm) compliant
Separate adapter plate is required for use with most LCD screens
Arm length: wall to hinge is 13.5"; hinge to TV is 8.5"
Wall plate dimensions: 14.75" H X 1.75" W
Arm extends 25" from wall
Depth of mount is 3.75" when retracted
25 degree up/down tilt, controlled with tension screws
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I am also looking for a decent mount and have been reading this thread with great interest. I would like to have my 42" 70lb. panel in a corner, but still be able to tilt down and move somewhat out if possible. Does anyone have any suggestions on which mount would be best for that application? Also, how/where exactly would I mount on the wall to have it fit perfectly in a corner? Thanks for any help!
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JulesPharm: If you are going to have it articulated from the wall, the leverage is increased and I'd go up to the next stronger mount to ensure no sagging or bending occur. Since we don't really know where in the range of motion the weight was tested at, I'd assume that it was close to the wall and not articulated. That is why all the options I'm looking at are at least double, but most are triple+ my sets weight since mine will be fully articulated 99% of the time, so the leverage will increase the load seen at the wall mount.

BasketChick: Just about any of the heavy duty articulating mounts should work. The key would be getting it mounted in the right spot. I do know there are corner mounts for flat panels, but most are just a long arm with a swivel, so the articulating arms above would probably be a better (and stronger) choice. The perfect fit in a corner would be a chore, but should be doable.
It might make sense to mock up a plywood wall plywood TV panel of the same size as yours and mount it up to that to get the angle and fit that you want, then you can transfer those measurements to the wall for proper fit (many of these will allow for some shifting to still mount to wall studs, but that may cause your actual fit to be a little off).
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JulesPharm: If you are going to have it articulated from the wall, the leverage is increased and I'd go up to the next stronger mount to ensure no sagging or bending occur. Since we don't really know where in the range of motion the weight was tested at, I'd assume that it was close to the wall and not articulated. That is why all the options I'm looking at are at least double, but most are triple+ my sets weight since mine will be fully articulated 99% of the time, so the leverage will increase the load seen at the wall mount.

BasketChick: Just about any of the heavy duty articulating mounts should work. The key would be getting it mounted in the right spot. I do know there are corner mounts for flat panels, but most are just a long arm with a swivel, so the articulating arms above would probably be a better (and stronger) choice. The perfect fit in a corner would be a chore, but should be doable.
It might make sense to mock up a plywood wall plywood TV panel of the same size as yours and mount it up to that to get the angle and fit that you want, then you can transfer those measurements to the wall for proper fit (many of these will allow for some shifting to still mount to wall studs, but that may cause your actual fit to be a little off).

So 22benjamin22, you don't think the mount I described above is strong enough for my TV b/c it doesn't support double my TV weight capacity? Is it necessary for that much support if I'll only be articulating maybe 50% of the time?
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That's the thing I don't know and couldn't find how they rated the weight spec. Was is articulated 500 times with incremental weight until it failed? What defined failure? A small angle change or physically failing to the point of falling off the wall? Was it arbitrary and simply a static load over a small period of time not articulated?

Only the manufacturers could tell us, so I'd rather buy more for safety and also have the option to use it on the next set as well in a few years. To me it's a piece of mind for a $3k TV.
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I just purchased the Premier AM3 for my 46" Vizio G46L. I am extremely satisfied with the mount and use it in a similar set up. I use it flush against the wall facing a couch 10' away for family viewing and then for parties I can swing it out 90 degrees so the entire kitchen can see it. Extremely well built. Can't say as much for the Vizio though.
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I was at Fry's today and they had a 50" Plasma on an AM3 and I was able to play with it. That is a sturdy mount! That set has to be near double the weight of my 46" LCD and no sagging, easy to articulate and move. The sales guy was a skinny guy and he just reached under and did a pull up on it - it had to be waaaay over the spec since he weighed probably 130 and the Panny had to be around 100lb.s. It didn't flex, but the wall did. Still no issues after either. I really like the mount for the price too.

This decision is tough!

Today a contractor friend came over and I was telling him my thoughts... his response - rip out the old mantle and make a new one so the TV can sit lower and still look right. Material costs would be less than any of these mounts... Jeez. Just when I thought I had it figured out.
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Benjamin, thanks for the response, those are all good points about mounts and how manufacturers measure weight capacity. Points I had never even entered my mind.

Zender, that is a SOLID looking mount with great specs (AND it covers up cables!), at a great price. I'm glad Benjamin went out and checked the mount out in person too. So I guess since it's got a universal mounting bracket, it doesn't matter that my TV is VESA compliant?
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