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The article says Samsung were showing off monitors. You got my hopes up for a Sharp LED monitor

Ack, I guess I have been reading the sharp threads too much, they tend to have a ton of posts... going to fix that typo.
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woah, these 81 series look to be a huge step up in quality over the current generation. I think I will definitely wait for these and the 65F series to be released instead of getting something now with issues. Does anyone know if Sony will be releasing anything new this spring to go along with the new samsungs?
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2160 leds x 60mW = ~129 Watts, which is certainly in the ballpark. If there has been any improvement in LED efficiency since the paper came out in Jan 2006 then 120 Watts certainly seems reasonable/possible for a 2160 LED backlight TV.

This is an amazing change in efficiency, I was thinking that LED backlighting would be a power hog like the early Qualia model IIRC but low power consumption and local dimming really sounds exciting. Great times ahead!!

One does wonder though if it will leave artifacts. For example, in a Star Wars scene black space has bright points of starlight sprinkled throughout. Local dimming would either have to leave it alone or dim the stars along with the background.
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One does wonder though if it will leave artifacts. For example, in a Star Wars scene black space has bright points of starlight sprinkled throughout. Local dimming would either have to leave it alone or dim the stars along with the background.

Well it should not be any worse than a non dynamic back light. Where I think it would help the most (where I find it distracting) is letter boxing. I hate it when light is leaking out of the letterbox stripes. In a dark room I want the letterbox masking not to be visible. I think ones eyes will cover most the other problem by not being able to see dark grey instead of black when it right next to a bright object it should still appear black.
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So I here that the 81 series is coming out in July. That is a long wait but i think it will be worth it, assuming the price isnt to crazy. Does anyone have any new news on the prices yet? Do we know about the lag/response times on the 81 series?

I have been getting ready to buy my new LCD for about a month and now i have to wait until July!!! Stupid fantastic new technology!!!
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So I here that the 81 series is coming out in July. That is a long wait but i think it will be worth it, assuming the price isnt to crazy. Does anyone have any new news on the prices yet? Do we know about the lag/response times on the 81 series?

I have been getting ready to buy my new LCD for about a month and now i have to wait until July!!! Stupid fantastic new technology!!!


lag/response should not be a problem anymore on these new LED sets.

I hope these LED sets in 46" will be under $4,000
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lag/response should not be a problem anymore on these new LED sets.

I hope these LED sets in 46" will be under $4,000

And I hope they will be under $3000
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.......I have been getting ready to buy my new LCD for about a month and now i have to wait until July!!! Stupid fantastic new technology!!!


If only I was in your shoes.......I've been trying to get a decent 52" since June 2006

July 2007 is like a ten year sentence for me......LOL

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Don't they (Sammy/Sony) usually use their own, in house VPs? Could they do a half ass 120Hz VP instead of using Micronas' truD HD (FRC 94xyH)? For example, JVC is doing their own 120Hz.

Now for the obvious - not all VPs are created equal.

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Like all LCDs there will be a lot to find out when the set is released. What type of processing do they use, do they have obvious defects like banding/clouding/light leaking? Is there 1:1 pixel mapping available? The list goes on and on.

Reading these forums one has the general fear that no set will ever be perfect... Someone will find something wrong with it.
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Will this new technology = no clouding? What are the theories on this?

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Does anyone have an educated guess when can we expect another press release?

if July is release date? how many months before that can we expect to get the MSRPs?

how many months before release did they announce the MSRP for the 96 series last year?
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I read that the 65 series will be out in March and the 81 series will be out in July,
Now if that is true, then why havent we gotten the MSRP for the 65 series yet?

I am thinking (sadly) that the 81's will be well ove 10,000. I think the 65 will be alot less because it is an upgrade to the previous series, but the 81 is the "newest" technology and i think it will be out of the reach of the average joe like me.
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I read that the 65 series will be out in March and the 81 series will be out in July,
Now if that is true, then why havent we gotten the MSRP for the 65 series yet?

I am thinking (sadly) that the 81's will be well ove 10,000. I think the 65 will be alot less because it is an upgrade to the previous series, but the 81 is the "newest" technology and i think it will be out of the reach of the average joe like me.

Except, I am not sure that many people will pay 10,000 for an LCD. I know there are people here who get expensive screens, but not that expensive. I don't think they will sell enough to make it worthwhile if they cost that much.
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I disagree. Its apparent that the 81 series is a higher line than any currently out, but its also apparent that it is still a consumer line. I would put the 46" under 5k MSRP, for larger sizes I cant say since they are not in the commodity class yet.

Last year, they announced the 96 series, but what happened is he 95 series came out in its place, and was only announced I beleive in April or May the they are also released a few weeks early in June. When the ones come out in March I would expect to see some more news on the 81s. I wouldnt expect prices until May.

These companies do not like to give too much information out on new lines much before they come out. As it can make people decide to wait it out rather than purchasing a new TV now.

On a side note, these sets should be called 'Local Dimming sets" Not "LED sets", the fact that they use LEDs does not accurately describe why they are better than other previous technologies, as other LED backlit displays without local dimming will see none of the advantages that this display will have.

Does anyone have information on advantages of Triluminous LED, and the possibility of Locally Dimmed Triluminous LED arrays?

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These companies do not like to give too much information out on new lines much before they come out. As it can make people decide to wait it out rather than purchasing a new TV now.
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Thats exactly it for me
I either want to go all out on a groundbreaking 40" Tv or spend as little as possible on a 37 1080p probably the GP1U in march april
if the price for a 40inch LED is more than 4k USD thats a little much for me
if the MSRP is 3500 USD or lower the chances are the price in Stores like Best Buy will be around 3k
if the 42D92u drops dramatically in price because of banding I could care less I'll buy that
with regards to LG's and Toshibas upcoming TVs, are there any speculation threads for them?
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These companies do not like to give too much information out on new lines much before they come out. As it can make people decide to wait it out rather than purchasing a new TV now.
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Thats exactly it for me
I either want to go all out on a groundbreaking 40" Tv or spend as little as possible on a 37 1080p probably the GP1U in march april
if the price for a 40inch LED is more than 4k USD thats a little much for me
if the MSRP is 3500 USD or lower the chances are the price in Stores like Best Buy will be around 3k
if the 42D92u drops dramatically in price because of banding I could care less I'll buy that
with regards to LG's and Toshibas upcoming TVs, are there any speculation threads for them?

In terms of specs the toshiba looks great on paper with the confirmed X.Y color, hdmi 1.3 etc. However I think its still based on CCFL so it will not have the mega locally dimmed based contrast these Sammy's may have.


However I think a 10,12,14 bit panel like the toshiba will only benefit if the source itself uses that correct? so it may not be practical.
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If the 81 is less than $10k I would be shocked. No one else offers LED backlighting in LCD TVs. Sony has already published their price for their 70" model using the 81's technology, and that's over $30,000! If you think this will be anywhere CLOSE to current LCD prices, you're crazy. 2008 should be a totally different story because everyone will be in on LED then.
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thats what im waiting to hear, price. Cause if the price is more then 20% of the 65 series, i will not buy and just pick up a 65, but if prie is less then that, i will hold out to the 81. The last thing I want to do is hold out all the way until july only to find out its way to expensive, and then go buy my 65f series which I could of bought months ago. I hope a price is revealed soon.
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The only other locally dimmed set on the horizon that will compete with Samsung 81s is LG.Phillips' 47-inch one and it was announced to show up in Q2 so we should know its price soon. My guess is the price of 46-inch 81s will be similar to that of LG.Phillips' set. We'll see.
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If the 81 is less than $10k I would be shocked. No one else offers LED backlighting in LCD TVs. Sony has already published their price for their 70" model using the 81's technology, and that's over $30,000! If you think this will be anywhere CLOSE to current LCD prices, you're crazy. 2008 should be a totally different story because everyone will be in on LED then.


Sonys do not use this Technology, they are LED sets NOT Local Dimmed Sets. You also cant use pricing on 70" as a ruler, as they are not commodites. And Sony is indeed using conventional LED backlighting on its Regular consumer lines 40" and up starting in summer.

People also cannot say that the 81 series will be expensive cause the Briteside LED Local Dimmed LCD is $20k, that doesnt count since it is not a consumer product, it is a show peice. The 81 series is a Consumer product. My geuss is the MSRP of the 40" would be 4k or less.


And please stop comparing these to Conventional LED backlit displays, The LEDs are not the advancement here, the dimming is.

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... advancement here, the dimming...

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what is the difference between the 65 and 81 series?
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The 65 series is the upgraded version of the last LCD (forget the model sorry). The 65 have I believe a 12000:1 ratio and 3 HDMI ports. But it is the same technology as its predecessor.

The 81 series is the new LED Backlight local dimming sets. Not an upgrade. Supposed to have ratio of 50000:1 and should get rid of the lag response that you find on some LCD's.

The 65's are supposed to come out in March and the 81's in July. These are not definite; they are only what I have read.

There are other differences but these are the basics. Anyone who disagrees with my numbers, because I may be wrong, please correct. Also add whatever differences you think of
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A problem I have with my LCD is that during dark/night scenes it is had to watch since all the blacks look the same. Does the 65 fix this since the contrast is 12,000:1?
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maybe, but the big improvement will be he 81, it has HDR High Dynamic Range, which will allow light blooming and very deep black, thus increasing the range of greys, so detail should pop.

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There's is still some confusion about where 81s are located on the display technology spectrum so let me provide a simple illustration. When SED displays were scheduled to be released few years ago, this is how manufacturers of other technologies responded to this threat:

Plasma - Pioneer's "super-plasma."
LCD - local dimming LED LCDs.
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A problem I have with my LCD is that during dark/night scenes it is had to watch since all the blacks look the same. Does the 65 fix this since the contrast is 12,000:1?

well it improves it, but not fixes it.

IMHO Samsung latest LCD line had pretty good, but not great black levels. With the contrast doubled with the LNTxx65 line, the black levels should look much deeper.
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What will the expected life of LED's be? CCFL's advertise 60k hours.
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What will the expected life of LED's be? CCFL's advertise 60k hours.

LED backlites have been touted as having a 100,000 hour life.
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