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The usual dynamic ratio is 5x the static.
You get the dynamic by the backlight adjustment and bright, contrast control.
Current Samsung is 6500 dynamic, meaning only 1300 static.
Seems reasonable based on my experience.

Now if they were saying 6500 static, then inflated would be an appropriate description.
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i'm aware of that, even still, and as i said before, even more contrast is not where i see this TV showing voulmnus if any improvement. you can gvie it 1500:1 or 50000:1, i care more about color and detail reproduction amongst other things, as it is they have plenty in the contrast department.
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Does anyone feel the lack of 1:1 in PC mode is a dealbreaker?
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Does anyone feel the lack of 1:1 in PC mode is a dealbreaker?

Hard to say if it is missing... Page 29 of the 52" 65 series manual has a just scan mode which the description implies 1:1 mapping. This is listed on the HDMI inputs. They may have it now.

From the manual:

Just Scan
Use the function to see the full image
without any cutoff when HDMI
(720p/1080i/1080p) or DTV (1080i)
signals are input.

The part of the manual that talks about PC input does not say if there is overscan or not, but you can move the image around (up down right left)
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... i've often heard criticisms that their sets exemplify too much contrast.

I have never heard such thoughts. When we get to about 10,000:1 static, that will probably be enough for most people, so we can watch with the lights out. But a few thousand is not the end game as far as I am concerned.
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i'm aware of that, even still, and as i said before, even more contrast is not where i see this TV showing voulmnus if any improvement. you can gvie it 1500:1 or 50000:1, i care more about color and detail reproduction amongst other things, as it is they have plenty in the contrast department.

The details you reference are provided by High Contrast Ratio and steps of gray it's a black to white and the steps of gray and then the color gamut will easily exceed most panels on these models.

If you doubt it go read the reviews of the new JVC RS1 FP, Sony Pearl FP, Pio Super Plasma Demo at CES and SXRD's and the details they present with high contrast ratio's and the million to one panels Sharp builds for professional Media to use and Sony developing also. The aforementioned panels pretty much set the bar for Black levels and details and of course the new Sharp if it ever gets rid of it's Banding issues.

Contrast is more than black - the right processing provides steps of gray that works to provide shade and details as long as the processing prevents crushing those blacks. IMO the only reason an SXRD sells so many panels are the details it's high contrast ratio (which has been tested higher than they publicize) presents. The review of the JVC RS1 was tested this past week and found to be higher than any tested by that AVS Forum professional, I think it's Jason Turk.

Samsung 65F8000, 60D8000, 40HU6350, Panasonic 50E60 LCD's
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Does anyone feel the lack of 1:1 in PC mode is a dealbreaker?

Are you really gonna have a PC without DVI that you would want to hook up to this nice of a display? I think 1:1 on hdmi is good enough.
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Exactly. If you're using a VGA output from your computer, get a new video card if you can afford one of these. You can get a new video card for $50 with DVI. Picture quality is exactly the same from a $50 card's DVI port as from a $600 video card's DVI port.
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or get a video card with HDMI output. The new geforce 8 series cards should be released this week or next and should be under $100 for native HDMI output. They should be able to display deep color, so all you HDMI 1.3 nuts (including me) should be able to take advatage of this good feature.
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well my pc has a vga out and dvi. Iw as hoping to use vga for my tv connection and DVi to computer monitor as I would be only using the pc on the tv occasionaly.

I suppose I can live with VGA on my computer monitor and DVI-HDMI on the tV. Or I could buy a dvi switch or splitter.

Of course I would rather have a new video card with hdmi, but no point in buying one of those for my current rig, that would be well suited for a brand new computer, which I cannot afford after I get a tv.
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you can also consider the option of video cards with one HDMI port and one DVI port. Those are available also. I got one for my mother for $70 or thereabouts.
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well I have a 9600XT now for my pc video card. The last thing I want to do is downgrade the already not so recent card only so I can support HDMI. I do like to play some games on my pc too, its not a HTPC directly
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I know the thread is for the much anticipated local dimming LED 81 series, but is anyone expecting a 71 series with non-dimming LEDs? Looking at the numbering structure that seems to be the missing link from the CCFL 61/65/66 and the 81 series.

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From TWICE magazine amd Samsung press release last January. HTH

In gloss black:

81D LCD TV series ships in July, 1080p, LED backlight, 50,000:1 CR, 105% gamut, Bluetooth, HDMI 1.3, SuperClear panel filter to improve contrast, Local Dimming of backlight for better blacks
57, 52, 46, 40 inch models LN-T5781D, LN-T5281D, LN-T4681D, LN-T4081D.

71D LCD TV series ships in July, 1080p, CCFL backlight, 120Hz, Bluetooth
57, 52, 46, 40 inch models.

65F LCD TV series ships in March, 1080p, 12,000:1 CR, 92% gamut, 550cd/m2, 3 HDMI 1.3, HDMI-CEC, USB 2.0
52, 46, 40 inch models.
LN-T4065F, LN-T4665F and LN-T5265F
LN-T4661

53H LCD TV series ships in March, 720p, game mode, 8ms response, USB 2.0, 7000:1 CR, 92% gamut
40, 32, 26, 23, 19 inch models.
LN-T1953H: 19-inch, $529
LN-T2353H: 23-inch, $849
LN-T2653H: 26-inch, $1,299
LN-T3253H: 32-inch, $1,699
LN-T4053H: 40-inch, $2,299

54D LCD TV series in pearl white.
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So looks like there is no plan for non-dimming LED-LCD displays from Samsnug. Think I read earlier in this thread that they would not necessarily offer much over the CCFL counterparts other than extended life - guess might not be a priority.

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From TWICE magazine amd Samsung press release last January. HTH

In gloss black:

81D LCD TV series ships in July, 1080p, LED backlight, 50,000:1 CR, 105% gamut, Bluetooth, HDMI 1.3, SuperClear panel filter to improve contrast, Local Dimming of backlight for better blacks
57, 52, 46, 40 inch models LN-T5781D, LN-T5281D, LN-T4681D, LN-T4081D.

71D LCD TV series ships in July, 1080p, CCFL backlight, 120Hz, Bluetooth
57, 52, 46, 40 inch models.

65F LCD TV series ships in March, 1080p, 12,000:1 CR, 92% gamut, 550cd/m2, 3 HDMI 1.3, HDMI-CEC, USB 2.0
52, 46, 40 inch models.
LN-T4065F, LN-T4665F and LN-T5265F
LN-T4661

53H LCD TV series ships in March, 720p, game mode, 8ms response, USB 2.0, 7000:1 CR, 92% gamut
40, 32, 26, 23, 19 inch models.
LN-T1953H: 19-inch, $529
LN-T2353H: 23-inch, $849
LN-T2653H: 26-inch, $1,299
LN-T3253H: 32-inch, $1,699
LN-T4053H: 40-inch, $2,299

54D LCD TV series in pearl white.

ok where did u get info on the 71D? Do you have a website so I can see what it looks like?
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ok where did u get info on the 71D? Do you have a website so I can see what it looks like?

Samsung TVs Move To LED In 2007 Lineup
http://www.twice.com/article/CA6405104.html

I don't remember the Samsung PR.
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the 9600XT is a really slow card and VERY old.

a geforce 8400 or 8600 will blow it outta the water and should be very affordable. and should have a HDMI port. Now planned to be out in April.
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Samsung TVs Move To LED In 2007 Lineup
http://www.twice.com/article/CA6405104.html

I don't remember the Samsung PR.

Thanx for the website I just wonder how much the 71d going to cost compared to 65
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So looks like there is no plan for non-dimming LED-LCD displays from Samsnug. Think I read earlier in this thread that they would not necessarily offer much over the CCFL counterparts other than extended life - guess might not be a priority.

KMO

That makes sense.
_______________________________________________

This year LED BLU and 120 Hz are for separate products:

Dimming LED BLU to darken blacks in 81D's (cinema model?)
CCFL BLU at 120 Hz to reduce motion blur in 71D's (sports model?)

Maybe next year the LED BLU can both locally dim and use Motion Compensated Frame Interpolation for 120Hz. I read that Samsung intends to use LED BLU on everything by 2008, or was that for monitors?

samsung-says-all-monitors-to-use-led-light-by-2008

snips from that blog:

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the company also announced it would switch to LED illumination for all LCD monitors by 2008. This is clearly a quality play for Samsung as the company sees LED as the future of display illumination. LED BLU's can be used to differentiate Samsung in the overcrowded flat panel monitor category-and beyond, but is starting with high-end monitors, using consistent color quality and the extended color gamut to capture the lucrative professional market. Samsung hopes to leverage LED benefits, first into niche markets that will pay the price premium over conventional CCFL (cold cathode fluorescent lamp) illumination. In the meantime, the company is building LED BLU expertise, supply chain system links, and solidifying business relationships in the new illumination space. From this and the resulting economies of scale Samsung can migrate the technology across its product spectrum, from small handhelds up through large TVs in both flat panel and MD based systems. By getting in relatively early they establish themselves (like NEC) as industry leaders gaining the marketing savvy and technology benefits that only early adoption can bring.

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LCD LED BLU scanning addresses motion smear by reducing the hold times, thus reducing blurring and ghosting. Pixels illuminate for a brief period, flashing the image on the retina. The image persists in the eye to the next sharp frame, avoiding the blur [LCD hold type display performing like a CRT impulse type display]. The pixels are dark during the transitions when intensity of subpixels changes between frames, avoiding the smear.

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I guess Samsung is just being smart - and we cannot fault them for that! Too bad that means we cannot get both the benefits of LED and 120 Hz in a set this year.

I have been looking for an HDTV and was ready to pull the trigger on the Sxx95/96 series, but looks like I'll wait for a few more months. Will be interesting to see the pricing of the 61/65 and 71 series. Pockets don't run deep enough to consider the 81 series - unless they sold a 10" or something!!!

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Are you really gonna have a PC without DVI that you would want to hook up to this nice of a display? I think 1:1 on hdmi is good enough.

Maybe i misread the manual. I have DVI on my card and was planning to use DVI/HDMI but when it says PC Mode my initial thought was even if you have DVI/HDMI as your PC connection you couldn't do 1:1 when you select the PC input.
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A technology note about 120Hz:

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Samsung Electronics developed ultra-high-speed liquid crystal technology that runs at 120Hz and thus delivers superior picture quality. Crisp and effective, Samsung technology ensures that each and every image displayed on your screen is just like the real thing.

High Speed
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What am I missing here. Is Sammy's 8ms "ultra-high-speed" panel half as fast as Sharp's 4ms.

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anyone have an educated guess as to when We will know the MSRP for the 81series?
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A dealer just posted a MSRP of $3699 for the Samsung LNT4665F so the 81 series has got to be starting over 5 grand. Now that I see there is a 71 series, the 81 will probably be more.
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A dealer just posted a MSRP of $3699 for the Samsung LNT4665F so the 81 series has got to be starting over 5 grand. Now that I see there is a 71 series, the 81 will probably be more.

What dealer did you get this price from?
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he pm'd me the link it is up on Amazon
dont think he is allowed to post it so here

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LNT466...3564117&sr=8-1
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Sorry I couldn't post the link...wasn't allowed. But I see that DSET already posted it. Hope this comes down more in price before summer hits. If it goes below 2500, I'm getting it if not I will wait until the fall for it to come down more. This is only one dealer so hopefully more will post, with cheaper prices!
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Sorry I couldn't post the link...wasn't allowed. But I see that DSET already posted it. Hope this comes down more in price before summer hits. If it goes below 2500, I'm getting it if not I will wait until the fall for it to come down more. This is only one dealer so hopefully more will post, with cheaper prices!

ya well hopefully it will be around that range. Thanx for the link
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