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Hello gang. The time has come to finally start off the Official Olevia 7-series owners thread. I picked up the 747i yesterday. (net reviews and info can be found here http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&page=61&pp=30 ) It was supposed to be delivered to my company friday but the logistic trucking company recieved it late and rather than wait for them to deliver it sometime next week I just went and picked it up.
This badboy is supposed to be already 100% perfectly caibrated in every aspect of the box and there's no disappointment there.No ther brand(sony,sharp,samsung,westy,etc; ) offer this. In a nutshell, this set is freakin' amazing! A few of the net reviews state it's like looking out a window and they wernt lying.Everything from color accuracy/vividness to grayscale tracking is right on par it seems though maybe slightly off.Simply incredible.This is the best i've seen for any lcdtv
So let's get down to the nitty-gritty........
First, my relevent equipment specs info:
-Dvd player:Sony DVP-NC75H 1080i upconvert player.
-Cable source: DirecTV/HD reciever model H20 set to 1080i w/ 5LNB dish.
-Mounting method: Stand/tabletop.

Resolution Quality and Detail _A+: Stunning.
-DVD movies:Everything I threw at it from Terminator2:Extreme dvd(digitally remastered from 1080p source) to StarWars:ESB to BladeRunnerC were simply incredible.I have never seen nor noticed this much crispness & clarity in movies.Watching SW:ESB, I was floored by the accurate subtle variation of whites in the Hoth scenes.The reviews state the black level not handling well in space scenes but could have fooled me.The opening of the movie,asteroid field chase,etc; looked damn fine black to me with the stars/ships detail standing out very well.Though I do admit in some scenes the shadow detail was mediocre but that's minor in my book.
-HD Satellite: Channels like Discovery HD and UHD were also stunning with very intricate detail processing from animal hairs to details in eyes to the individual flailing grass in the sahara backdrop.SD pq seems nicely improved but far from near-hd quality which is understandable.Doesnt matter how well your vp is, everything comes down to source feed quality.However, the realta vp does a great job filtering out 90% of block noise & adding I'd say 20-30% re-interlaced detail to sd content.



Overall, content from either source looks almost damn close to 1080p quality.In fact, almost 3-dimensional.From scenes with heavy rain blowing to smoke drifting, almost looks like a seperate 3d layer on the screen...floored me.All this most likely thanks to the Silicon-Optix HQV processor and 1:1 pixel mapping.
Grayscale Tracking _A+: Excellent.


Color Accuracy/Vividness _A+: This is processed so well one would have a hard time determining if the set was a plasma or lcd.Definitely a huge step up from my now sold Olevia LT42HVI.Not that the set wasnt great,just the color lacked punch.Color reproduction is incredibly accurate w/ totally natural(non-over-exaggerated) skintones, lush & vivid green with sweet detail seperation whether it be a heavy foilaged scene or yoda,blues are excellent as well from detailed skies to underwater scenes with no banding whatsoever.Just goergous.


Video Processing _A++: The Silicon-Optix Realta HQV is truly the top badboy on the block.Imo,Sony XBR aint got nuthin' on this.Noise-Reduction doesnt seem to negatively affect pq no matter what setting or aspect setting though I've found this to not be needed so far so I leave it off.As far as de-interlacing and pixel based scaling,this is the best I've ever seen and I've owned a few LcdTvs plus work in manufacturing.Syntax made a wise decision using this puppy for thier 7's.


Black Level _C+ Imo, good for a lcd but still relatively high.Though to me, it doesnt seem as high compared to a couple of net reviews.While watching letterbox content like SW:ESB and Blade Runner the black bars seem to fall in nicely with image content.I don't notice any grayish standout.Though I'm running with lighting mode set to Dark-Room.Really dark scenes like from movies Dark City and Blade Runner seem to to lack in detail to a minor extent but to me this is very forgiving compared to all the previous outstanding aspects of this set.


Shadow Detail _B- Hmmm, this is a tough call since this generally would coincide with Black Level but here goes anyway.Seems pretty good generally but if very dark scenes can be a bit ummm blotchy.Not sure if this is due to the staellite source feed and the 1080i upconvert of my dvd player.Again, minor to me since this can only be evident in really dark scenes.



My Overall performance rating _A-: Superb image quality w/ excellent color/detail though Black Level is moderately high and Shadow Detail can be lacking.Like looking out a window!



Model contruction quality _A-: The tv itself screams high quality except with one minor peeve I have. Turns out Syntax opted for a heavy durable 'plastic' black base/stand this time around versus the heavy steel one the LT42HVI has.Maybe they viewed this as an opportunity to cut manuf. costs since most people these days mount thier tvs on a wall.This is disappointing though since I don't wall mount.Don't get me wrong it looks nice but I'd much rather have a steel base especially since this puppy is so heavy. Aside from that, a solid hq product.


Glass/Anti-Reflective Coating _A++: Wow.When Syntax stated they were substantially upgrading thier AR coating for thier next line of lcds they wernt lying.The AR on this badboy is 10x better than with thier previous models,more specificly the LT42HVI.Whether I have the room moderatly illuminated at night or curtains open during the day with sunlight coming through(my setup faces my windows) the AR does a great job.I have noticed absolutely no glare and if any depending on angle it is extremly minor.Mad props to Syntax for this achievment.


User Interface/MenuWheel _B- Overall, a very cool aproach but navigating it can be confusing.Seems they used reverse psychology.......red box around setting means on and green means off,strange.Navigating the multi-level sub-menus is confusing at first too but after getting familair with things it's no big deal.Just a bit of a learning curve.As far as the adjustment bars for Brightness,Sharpness,etc;........there is no number scale wtf.Turns out Sony holds the patent(among many) for numbers adjustment bars so rather than Syntax having to pay a royalty to those Sony sob's they left it out.I still don't see why they could not use some other values scheme instead like notches,letters,etc; Oh well, can't have everything.


Panel/Backlight Quality _B-
-Panel: Not sure if this is still LG but Syntax rep. stated that they went with 60% more expensive panels for the 7-series versus the 2/3/5 series'. Seems pretty good from what I can tell.
-Backlight: Uneven bleeding in corners which brings me to the unfortunate main negative of this set.........

There seems to be quite a bit backlight bleeding/cloudiness from all 4 corners plus on each half of the screen, equal distance it seems, there is evidence of a large oval/egg-shaped clouded imprint bleeding.Almost seem like pressed imprints.Not fully evident viewing in front of the tv but go stand-up off-angle and they look like eggs.Now this is only noticable against a black screen like movie credits and no-source screen but it's still disappointing.Watching normal content it cannot be detected, unless an extremely dark scene.Even though 98% of the aspects of this set are outstanding, this is just totally unacceptable to me. Yes, most of you may argue this is minor but for my hard earned money to me it is not.I'm contacting Syntax this week to have them send me an instant replacement fresh off the press and no way in hell am I shipping this first only to be without a tv again.They better send me a new one first then take this one back...I hope.In the meantime,I'm going to enjoy this badboy for all it's worth.




Overall, aside from the backlight/imprint issue this set is stunning.
Anyway, that about wraps up my hands-on user review for you guys.I hope it was found informative.

P.S. -I'll post some pics when I get a hold of a good digicam.


~S!TH

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Thanks for providing the first honest-to-goodness hands-on test from a civilian for these bad boys S!TH. It's too bad that even the all-mighty Olevia 7 line seems impervious to the ongoing epidemic of flaws afflicting all LCD's (Sharp banding, Sony clouds, etc.). Couple of personal questions since I'm interested in this set:

1.- Does the HQV Realta perform any visible (as in $1,000+ premium) difference on SD material vs. conventional LCD's? Most of my viewing consists of SD TV, SD DVD's and SD videogames (pre-Xbox/PS2/GC sysyems). Can the Realta chip help or is it only good at smoothing the edges of HD material?

3.- Any chance to check the 747i's Picture-in-Picture capabilities with multiple sources? There's very little documentation of whether other sources besides TV signals from tuners can be split. Are there multiple sizes for the PIP or just a set size? Only the Mitsubishi, Toshiba and Samsung 1080p LCD's have PIP features but their SD performance is underwhelming at best.

3.- You keep comparing the performance of this 47" LCD to a 42" 720 Olevia LCD you owned. What other LCD's besides the 42" Olevia have you owned/seen for you to base your camparisons on the 747i's performance?

4.- What other 1080p LCD besides the 747i could you compare this set in bang-for-the-buck 1080p performance? In other words, if I can't see or buy a 747i, which of the current Sharp/Sony/Samsung/Mitsubishi/Toshiba/etc. 1080p LCD's would you compare the Olevia with?

5.- Just how heavy is this sucker, and why? If the base is plastic then what is it about the set that makes it weight as much as a bulky CRT from years past?

6.- Does the 747i offer any ways to stretch 4:3 SD material to fill the screen that doesn't deform the picture so it ends up looking like "fat" people?

I'd ask how the 747i performs with videogames (all kinds, old and new), HD-DVD or Blu-ray but I think you would have mentioned that already in your initial reviews. Thanks for answering and enjoy your "flawed" 747i until a (hopefully) better replacement arrives. Curious, where did you get this TV from and how much did you pay for it (without really saying because rules says you can't... wink, wink)?
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1.- Does the HQV Realta perform any visible (as in $1,000+ premium) difference on SD material vs. conventional LCD's? Most of my viewing consists of SD TV, SD DVD's and SD videogames (pre-Xbox/PS2/GC sysyems). Can the Realta chip help or is it only good at smoothing the edges of HD material?

_The Realta HQV cleans up a bit of crap from SD broadcasts like block noise and jaggies.Does it turn water into wine?no.But it does turn murky well water into filtered bottled water. Mostly depends on broadcast/source quality mang. As far as sd dvd and games the Realta HQV comes very close to the look of a high-definition source in depth, detail, and color.

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3.- Any chance to check the 747i's Picture-in-Picture capabilities with multiple sources? There's very little documentation of whether other sources besides TV signals from tuners can be split. Are there multiple sizes for the PIP or just a set size? Only the Mitsubishi, Toshiba and Samsung 1080p LCD's have PIP features but their SD performance is underwhelming at best.

Thanks, I knew I forgot something in the initial review.
_The PIP capabilities on this badboy are fantastic.It can handle PIP plus cross-swap from any two sources.Infact, I'm pretty sure this is the first set out there which can do PIP from 2 HDMI sources.HDMI & HDMI,Component & HDMI,VGA & HDMI,etc; 3 modes of PIP are available: vertical split screen,standard pip with source swap, and channel surfing mode for if one recieves over the air hd....one main channel & several sub channels surrounding in a reverse-L configuration.Really sweet stuff.

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3.- You keep comparing the performance of this 47" LCD to a 42" 720 Olevia LCD you owned. What other LCD's besides the 42" Olevia have you owned/seen for you to base your camparisons on the 747i's performance?

_Aside from the kept LT42HVI, in the past I've purchased a 3rd gen Sammy & returned it....twice due to extremely poor blacks & seemingly green/blue color defect, a Sony 37" XBR1 & returned it due to severe backlight bleed and pisspoor deinterlacing, and a Zenith 1st gen Dlp which I actually rented for a week then returned it back to ripoff rent-a-center due to blotchiness/detail sucked.What was I thinking?...I hate any projection plus thier rental rates plan was ludicrous!

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4.- What other 1080p LCD besides the 747i could you compare this set in bang-for-the-buck 1080p performance? In other words, if I can't see or buy a 747i, which of the current Sharp/Sony/Samsung/Mitsubishi/Toshiba/etc. 1080p LCD's would you compare the Olevia with?

Hmmmm,tough.I'm no expert but Imo.... I wouldnt touch a problematic Samsung or Toshiba with a 20ft cable extension.Sharp= good but way overpriced/overrated.Same goes for Sony but the last rev XBR2's look pretty darn good plus the closest imh yur gonna come to Realta HQV processor quality would be Bravia2/3 engine.As far as overall top quality package though for roughly $3k range I would say current Mitsubishi.

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5.- Just how heavy is this sucker, and why? If the base is plastic then what is it about the set that makes it weight as much as a bulky CRT from years past?

_Approx. 143Lbs. The thick frontal sheet of glass. Thats still light compared to my old 500lb. 36" RCA CRT I still need to get down from 3rd floor to alley.

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6.- Does the 747i offer any ways to stretch 4:3 SD material to fill the screen that doesn't deform the picture so it ends up looking like "fat" people?

Sure does, it's called crop. Seriously, to properly maintain accurate ratio crop is the only way no matter how good the hardware.You can't put a square peg into a round hole & expect it to fit perfectly.



I also failed to mention the remote is top notch this time around too.Universal & backlit...weeeeee.

Just a pic I dug up....

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_The PIP capabilities on this badboy are fantastic.It can handle PIP plus cross-swap from any two sources.Infact, I'm pretty sure this is the first set out there which can do PIP from 2 HDMI sources.HDMI & HDMI,Component & HDMI,VGA & HDMI,etc; 3 modes of PIP are available: vertical split screen,standard pip with source swap, and channel surfing mode for if one recieves over the air hd....one main channel & several sub channels surrounding in a reverse-L configuration.Really sweet stuff.

Can you do an audio swap with one button push (ala Mitsubishi LT-46131/46231) to switch audio between two PIP windows? Or do I have to go into a menu to do this audio swap between PIP windows (assuming the set offers this feature)?

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...the last rev XBR2's look pretty darn good plus the closest imh yur gonna come to Realta HQV processor quality would be Bravia2/3 engine.As far as overall top quality package though for roughly $3k range I would say current Mitsubishi.

Would you be happy with a Mitsu as a replacement to your 747i or does the 747i beat the Mitsu's overall package?

Now that I've seen your pic I'm reminded that the Olevia 7 line packs some bad-ass speakers built-in (important for people like me that don't want to hook up surround systems to our apartment walls). How good/bad are those speakers? Any mention in the manual whether the TV can be lowered from its attached pedestal if the speakers are removed from the bottom to be attached on the sides with the (overpriced) conversion kit Olevia sells?

And is that "The Perfect Storm" on your 747i? What's the source? I don't see the light bleeding you mentioned earlier on your review. Does the room have to be dark to see the light bleed? Thanks again for your informative hands-on reports. More pictures please!
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Can you do an audio swap with one button push (ala Mitsubishi LT-46131/46231) to switch audio between two PIP windows? Or do I have to go into a menu to do this audio swap between PIP windows (assuming the set offers this feature)?

Hmmm, very good question.I go thru my Sony av reciever for everything so I just hotkey the source switch on my remote.Let me check....it seems when in pip mode or split-screen you can hotkey swap/designate as main source and the audio(if your using the tv speakers) switches accordingly.
Some things I failed to mention in regard to pip.You can also set pip position, horiz/vert size,swap at will, and same goes for split screen.Very customizable.
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Would you be happy with a Mitsu as a replacement to your 747i or does the 747i beat the Mitsu's overall package?

Once I have my mind set on something I stick with it.The set is phenomenol plus I love the elegant look with the 7's as I did with the LT42HVI.Fits right in perfectly with my living room/home-theater setup/scheme Imho, Sonys and Sharps are freakin' ugly.

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Now that I've seen your pic I'm reminded that the Olevia 7 line packs some bad-ass speakers built-in (important for people like me that don't want to hook up surround systems to our apartment walls). How good/bad are those speakers? Any mention in the manual whether the TV can be lowered from its attached pedestal if the speakers are removed from the bottom to be attached on the sides with the (overpriced) conversion kit Olevia sells?

Yes, if speakers are side-mounted there are 3-levels hieght adjustment.The tv speakers are indeed top-notch.I explored the audio menus/sub-menus and they are pretty elaborate.A couple excerps from the cd manual....



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And is that "The Perfect Storm" on your 747i? What's the source? I don't see the light bleeding you mentioned earlier on your review. Does the room have to be dark to see the light bleed? Thanks again for your informative hands-on reports. More pictures please!

That's not my pic actually.Just somethin' I dug up on the net somewhere. Sorry.

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Thanks S!TH. That barrel/wheel interface looks like a pain in the ass to deal with, although it will be worth it if the HDTV is half as good as you're making it out to be. I'm a PIP whore and those PIP options are making my mouth water...
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I have got to have my PIP also. You know S!TH .... the backlight disappears after a few days on the 47" Vizio .... so maybe ....... it could happen!!!
My 2 week old 47" Vizio is going back and right now this is my no. one choice for a replacement. Keep us posted on the customer service for the swap. Thanks for a great review!

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I have got to have my PIP also. You know S!TH .... the backlight disappears after a few days on the 47" Vizio .... so maybe ....... it could happen!!!
My 2 week old 47" Vizio is going back and right now this is my no. one choice for a replacement. Keep us posted on the customer service for the swap. Thanks for a great review!

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I was thinking it could have been the other side of the glass panel itself.You know, like when you clean a glass coffee table and just can't seem to get rid of that foggy residue on the other side?...especially the hand imprints.That's kinda like it resembles. But it's gone when the tvs off so that's out of the question. We'll see over the next week.If it dissipates then great,if not then as much of a pita it will be I'm havin' this one replaced.
This most likely is 1 of the initial batches of 747's produced solely to regional specialists and reviewers so perhaps I assume this isnt the norm.Especially since the 7-series is Syntax's flagship baby.They have ramped up production and a rep told me they will be shipping a new wave this time for the consumer to general retailers over the next week or two.So I'm going to request I get a replacement from the 2nd wave straight off the press.All that aside, I'm still freakin' wowed by this badmofo.

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This is certainly a step in the right direction. Right now, we have many relatively good LCD panels out in the market with relatively poor video processing. With the 747, Syntax has a relatively mediocre panel with superior video processing.

I'll be interested to see what other forum members have to say, i.e. does the superior video processing in this display make up for the relative mediocre contrast and color performance of the glass.
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Ok,I just contacted Lasertech and in turn Syntax in regard to the backlight bleeding/flashlight effect issues with the panel.Ofcourse,both stated that this is unfortunately rare considering almost all of thier currently produced 747 units used for demo exhibit none of these defects with a few exhibiting minimal backlight bleed.Syntax tech. rep. seemed surprised that I have one stating thier not 'officially' out yet to general consumer/retail.This ofcourse we knew already. So I'm assuming/hoping I just got a rare lemon. He also stated that they use a few different high-end panels for the 7-series.....LG,Samsung, & dunno who else.I've heard Samsung are supposed to produce really good panels so maybe this is just a lemon LG panel??
Syntax will exchange my unit no problem with one currently produced off the new wave so atleast that's good cust. support.Unfortunately,they will only do it one of two methods:
1)Put freeze on my account for the msrp of the unit,send me out the replacement 1st asap then I send back the lemon.Which no way in hell I can do.I'm not rich ya know.

2)Send them back my unit first, wait for them to recieve/process it, and then wait for them to ship me the new one.Done deal.This blows though because this way I may be without a tv for 1-2+ weeks.The unfortunate drawbacks of buying online direct versus retail store.The good thing atleast is shipping is covered by them both ways.I guess this is my only alternative.

Since I'm on vaca next week I definitely don't want to be without a tv again so I'm going to wait a couple weeks to do this.Like I stated before,the backlight corner bleeding/clouding is barely noticable unless black source screen and/or very dark movie scenes so for normal viewing it's not an issue at all.However,for a 3k set I cannot be passive with this.When I can I'm going to post a digicam shot of this.In the meantime, I'm going to enjoy this badboy for all it's worth.The picture is still stunning damit!Thanks for your responces.


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Keep the pictures and opinions coming S!TH. Those of us sitting on the sidelines paralized with fear of making the wrong choice are readind and watching... while consumed with envy and hatred toward your well-being.
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Thanks for starting this thread S!TH, and for all the detailed hands-on info. Great to see one of these "in the wild".

Touching on dad1153's question about SD content. You commented on the sets handling of SD OTA material and have had great things to say about the set handling output from your DVD player...but...I noticed that you're using an upscaling DVD player to feed a 1080i signal to the TV. In order to really get a sense of how well the Silicon Optix chips work I'd love it if you'd set your player to output a 480i signal and let the Realta do all the work. If you're using the inferior scaling and deinterlacing of the Sony player, you're not really using the Realta to it's fullest. Could you put HQV to the test for us? I suspect you might get even better results than you've seen thus far.
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Today it happened. The stars aligned, a good deal popped on eBay and I had done my homework enough to realize there's no such thing as a perfect HDTV. Sacrifices have to be made, compromises struck between your HD wants and needs, finances carefully calculated (for those of us so poor we have to live in our own A/V room), etc. So I pulled the trigger on an Olevia 747i LCD for $**** (including insured shipping). I basically lose blacker blacks, HDMI 1.3 connections, swivel stand and flexibility (this thing weighs a ton). I gain an ISF calibrated set (save a few $$$ by not having to hire a guy to do it), Realta HQV chip, damn good built-in speakers and PIP options galore. Almost to the day a year ago when I started looking for an HDTV I've finally got one coming in the next couple of days. Kind-of anticlimactic, uhh? Ohh, and in the end it was a pretty tight horse race between the 747i, the Mitsu LT-46231 and the Samsung LN-S5296D. The Sharp D92U LCD's would have been serious contenders in my book (can't ignore those sweet contrast ratios) had the company not sold out its dignity for the sake of the best "banding" manufacturing plant in the world.

S!TH, how's the 747i packaged when the box arrives? Are the plastic base and speakers already attached to the TV or do those come separately and need to be attached? How did you get your TV set up (i.e. who helped you) since its such a whale to carry around? I want to know what exactly I'll be getting when FedEx comes knocking on my door this week.
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It's my Birthday!!!

I just pulled the trigger from Buy.com, been eyeing these babies since last October. So after two Sharp banding flops, I'm going to try the Olevia. Great review, just what I needed to feel comfortable. Only regret is the 52" over the 47".
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New review of the 747i over at Sound&Vision:

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hdt...-lcd-hdtv.html
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PICTURE QUALITY After a few tweaks to the 747i's User 6500 K mode (see Test Bench Coming soon), I launched into my viewing regimen. Since this set's main selling point is high-quality deinterlacing and upconversion, I started with DVD and cable TV. DVDs had a crisp, stable appearance that held up exceedingly well in fast action scenes. The upconverted picture looked about as good as that from my Toshiba HD DVD player, and that's saying a lot. Although analog cable stations never look a fraction as good as high-def, the set's noise reduction helped smooth the picture without robbing it of desperately needed detail. To my memory, CNN Headline News never looked quite this good on a bigscreen LCD.

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BOTTOM LINE At $3,500, the Olevia 747i 47-inch LCD HDTV is priced competitively with other high-end LCDs in its size range. And although it has some ergonomic quirks, if you watch lots of standard-def TV (and there's still a lot of that out there), this set has the processing power to make those programs look better than they would on most other LCDs. It also does an excellent job of upconverting DVDs and 1080i HDTV to the panel's native 1080p resolution. Add in its good looks and flexible, wide-ranging picture adjustments, and the 747i gets my solid recommendation.

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So much for the 7 series only being available thru custom installers huh. I guess I'll wait for the prices to come down and live with the 537 for now.
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So much for the 7 series only being available thru custom installers huh. I guess I'll wait for the prices to come down and live with the 537 for now.

I haven't been able to find an on-line reseller that is authorized for 7-Series..that actually has product and can deliver it. I've seen several named, but when push cames to shove, they all seem to back off and then take the product off their web sites. I missed the one that was on eBay and don't see any more listed there. My preference would be to buy from an authorized source that gets their inventory directly from Olevia. But like everyone else, I don't want to pay full price.
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I haven't been able to find an on-line reseller that is authorized for 7-Series..that actually has product and can deliver it. I've seen several named, but when push cames to shove, they all seem to back off and then take the product off their web sites. I missed the one that was on eBay and don't see any more listed there. My preference would be to buy from an authorized source that gets their inventory directly from Olevia. But like everyone else, I don't want to pay full price.

Hey Pete what about Buy.com, I ordered this morning and they told me (live support) they had stock, about 5 sets. They are a large internet super store and often have some great prices.
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Thanks for starting this thread S!TH, and for all the detailed hands-on info. Great to see one of these "in the wild".

Touching on dad1153's question about SD content. You commented on the sets handling of SD OTA material and have had great things to say about the set handling output from your DVD player...but...I noticed that you're using an upscaling DVD player to feed a 1080i signal to the TV. In order to really get a sense of how well the Silicon Optix chips work I'd love it if you'd set your player to output a 480i signal and let the Realta do all the work. If you're using the inferior scaling and deinterlacing of the Sony player, you're not really using the Realta to it's fullest. Could you put HQV to the test for us? I suspect you might get even better results than you've seen thus far.

Hmmmm.The tv doesnt show the actual upconvert rez(1080p from the realta) as the displayed rez.If my dvd player is set to 480p the tv will show 480p as the display rez and so forth for 720p and 1080i.So I guess the 480p/720p/1080i to 1080p upconvert by the Realta is more of an internal action to match the tv's native 1080p rez.So the question is whether this is a actual 'true' 'upconvert' and if so then I shouldnt need the upconvert process from the dvd player?...interesting point.But still, wouldnt it be logical to let the dvd player output at 1080i then let the Realta do a straight conversion 1080i-1080p internally? Or should the Realta be able to handle 480/720p-to-1080p better?
Also, which is more optimal.... 1:1 mode or aspect mode? I know 1:1 mode is best for pc but does that apply to dvd and/or even satellite-hd as well? I did notice in 1:1 mode the tv menus response is slightly laggy more than likely due to helluvalot more processing going on by the realta so for now I stick with aspect mode for dvd and satellite-hd.
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Today it happened. The stars aligned, a good deal popped on eBay and I had done my homework enough to realize there's no such thing as a perfect HDTV. Sacrifices have to be made, compromises struck between your HD wants and needs, finances carefully calculated (for those of us so poor we have to live in our own A/V room), etc. So I pulled the trigger on an Olevia 747i LCD for $**** (including insured shipping).

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S!TH, how's the 747i packaged when the box arrives? Are the plastic base and speakers already attached to the TV or do those come separately and need to be attached? How did you get your TV set up (i.e. who helped you) since its such a whale to carry around? I want to know what exactly I'll be getting when FedEx comes knocking on my door this week.

The packaging from Syntax was total top-notch similair how I recieved the LT42HVI a year ago.Though, the LT42HVI box was alot more bulky and consisted of a easy pull over/off hood with those big hard plastic lock-in/release tabs on the sides.My 747i was slimmer packaged and still had the slip-over hood but without the big plastic lockin side tabs.(needed to slit the bottom flaps open to remove the hood) Both were totally secured internally.I had to go pick it up though I had to de-box it right there to get the tv itself to barely fit it in the backseat of my Caprice. I had a nieghbor help me carry it up 6 flights of stairs.Ohhhh my back. Oh and the unit comes in one piece straight out of the box.Stand/base attached and speakers already mounted on the bottom.So it's just a matter of lift onto stand & connect away.

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S!TH,

You're absolutely right. Since the actual number of physical pixels in the display is 1080p, the job of the Realta (or any internal scaler and de-interlacer for that matter) is to properly scale all material to that native resolution of the display. And in answer to your question, YES it is true upconvert and you don't need the scaling OR deinterlacing from the DVD player at all.

Read this from the manufacturer of my DVD player (I got it specifically for the 747i). Note the last section in particular:
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A: The best output resolution of the OPPO DV-970HD depends on what type of TV or projector you use with it. The one that looks best to your eyes on your particular TV is the best resolution to use (Duh!). Technically it depends on several factors:

Typical consumer grade HDTV, HDTV monitors or projectors do not have high performance de-interlacing and scaling component. On the other hand, the de-interlacer and scaler in a high-performance up-converting DVD player like the DV-970HD is more specialized in de-interlacing and scaling DVD signals, leading to better picture quality. If not done properly, the process of converting a standard-definition DVD signal to the native resolution of your HD display may cause a host of video artifacts. These flaws will be especially noticeable on large and high-resolution screens. Quality de-interlacing and scaling are the key components to stable, artifact-free movie watching on HD displays. Based on these reasons, for most consumers the best output resolution is ideally, a 1:1 mapping to the native pixel count or scan rate supported by your video display device. For most ED Plasma, 480P gives the best quality. For HD Plasma or typical consumer LCD projector such as Sanyo Z2, Marantz and other Mustang HD2 DLP units, 1280 x 720 (720P) works best. Some rear projection or CRT HDTVs support native 1920 x 1080i, and for these units, select the 1080i output mode.

If your TV or projector has a high-quality internal de-interlacing and scaling circuitry, it is recommended to set the OPPO DV-970HD to output 480i over its HDMI port. This 480i output is the native video format as encoded on the DVD discs. The DV-970HD will transport the content from the disc in digital format to the TV or projector. The TV or projector will then perform de-interlacing and scaling. Similarly, if you use an external video signal processor (such as DVDO iScan VP30 by ABT, Anthem Statement D2, and other brands with HDMI input), the recommended output resolution of the OPPO DV-970HD is also 480i.

So, you fall in the latter category of those whose HDTV internal scaler is superior to that in your DVD player. Realta HQV is the best de-interlacer and scaler on the market, so you want to output a 480i signal from your player and let HQV do the rest. You shouldn't even output 480p from your player. At 480p your player isn't doing any of the scaling, but you're still using the player's inferior internal de-interlacing rather than using the Realta to do it. As stated in the article, the native format as encoded on a Standard Definition DVD is 480i. Any other format, 480p and up, has been de-interlaced and/or scaled.

That's the reason I asked if you would completely turn off all progressive scan functions of your DVD player and see how HQV did on it's own. Whatever you have your DVD player do the Realta won't have to do, but the Realta is supposed to do everything better.

I don't know about the 1:1 setting (I haven't gotten my hands on a 747i...yet).

For more info on this, you should check out the HQV site:
http://www.hqv.com/technology.cfm

It's all fascinating info, but you can just take a look at the sections on De-Interlacing, Film Cadence & Detection, and Scaling for examples of what all upscaling chipsets MUST do, but which Realta HQV does better than anyone.
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Hey Pete what about Buy.com, I ordered this morning and they told me (live support) they had stock, about 5 sets. They are a large internet super store and often have some great prices.

Do you know if they are an authorized dealer? Let me know if they actually deliver on your order and if the set looks like it was intended for the US market.
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Just got the call. My 747i will be here in an hour or so. I'll report back when I have it.

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Lucky dog. My 747i doesn't get here until Friday afternoon!

Get your camera ready RunOff. We want lotsa pictures to go with your opinions (something S!TH sadly fell short of in his last few postings... must be he's too busy watching the TV than taking pictures of it).
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Does this series have a QAM tuner?
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Does this series have a QAM tuner?
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It has dual QAM tuners. Watch two HD programs in PIP/split screen.
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It has dual QAM tuners. Watch two HD programs in PIP/split screen.

Really? Then it is the first consumer display I'm aware of with that capability.
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RunOff, thanks for the elaborate info & insight. My upconvert dvd player only has 3 output modes though....480p,720p,1080i.No 480i,that's pretty dumb. So I guess I have no choice but to use the inferior scaler of the sony.
Glad to hear your getting your 747i soon.




dad1153, as sad as it is I don't own a digicam so I regretebly couldnt post pictures. Oh and don't explode from anticipation before Friday gets here.

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Anyone seen the 742i yet? And has the rollout on these models been slow? When do you think we can expect to see these at more retailers?
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