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Westinghouse has a history of launching behind schedule, especially with their largest products. In the case of the 52 they are also constrained by short supply of the panel in question, just like the LVM-47w1 was last year when it launched.

Speaking of pre-orders for the 47" I emailed JR.com about how long their pricing on the 47" would hold, but they haven't gotten back to me. I can't personally pull the trigger until either cnet or audioholics tests one and verifies good greyscale tracking, color accuracy, and some details about functionality.

One would think they'd have the product up on their website by now too, but no such luck.
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I would assume it can't be worse than the old LVM model, right?


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Westinghouse has a history of launching behind schedule, especially with their largest products. In the case of the 52 they are also constrained by short supply of the panel in question, just like the LVM-47w1 was last year when it launched.

Speaking of pre-orders for the 47" I emailed JR.com about how long their pricing on the 47" would hold, but they haven't gotten back to me. I can't personally pull the trigger until either cnet or audioholics tests one and verifies good greyscale tracking, color accuracy, and some details about functionality.

One would think they'd have the product up on their website by now too, but no such luck.

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Well, you never know until you know.
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I am pretty excited about my new TV. I have the TX-42F430s on pre-order at Amazon. I had a set budget and my wife was rather amused that I was able to spend it all but a penny!

My dad has the 37" 1080p Westy monitor and has been pretty happy with it. I am looking forward to having a "big" TV. We've had a 27" Daewoo tube TV for a long time, and it's been good. But my wife finally got sick of having an entertainment center in our smallish living room.... especially knowing there's a slimmer alternative out there!

Hopefully this will turn from the "anticipation" thread to the "reviews" thread soon!

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Good for you Moon! Hopefully you will let us know how the delivery went and if Amazon sticked to the price they gave. We going to have questions for your review probobly lol.
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Which is quite ironic because the scaling solution in the 981 is the exact same chipset in that tv. Genesis FLI-2310. I imagine Westy will move onto the cheaper gutted out FLI-4xxx series now unfortunately. Perhaps I'm being pessimistic.

Genesis (ticker symbol GNSS) was the leader in video processing and scaling in years past (up to about 2005) and most early LCD TVs contained some of their chips (as did most LCD monitors). However competitors caught up with them and their financial results and stock price are depressed. For the US market, the integrated tuner requirement means that single-chip solutions that integrate everything from HDTV MPEG2 decode to scaling and video back-end processing into a single chip are the most economical solution, and Genesis is way behind in that respect. Companies like ATI/AMD and Taiwanese company Mediatek have taken over much of that market with their integrated chip solutions.

Genesis had some loyal customers such as LG, Toshiba and Philips who continued to use their chips but Genesis is losing some of that business too.

One American company with Chinese connections called Trident Microsystems (TRID) has been very succesful since 2005 with chips focusing on image quality and most tier-1 flagship LCD-TV models from Sony, Samsung and Sharp have been using their chips. Like GNSS they have been kind of slow getting the integrated HDTV decode into their chips so their business may come under threat too.
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Nice info, so I wonder how these one chip scaler/deinterlacer are compared to those $2k iScan scalers? I meant, what are the diff? Is it so much better that it can charge the price of a TV for a scaler?

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Genesis (ticker symbol GNSS) was the leader in video processing and scaling in years past (up to about 2005) and most early LCD TVs contained some of their chips (as did most LCD monitors). However competitors caught up with them and their financial results and stock price are depressed. For the US market, the integrated tuner requirement means that single-chip solutions that integrate everything from HDTV MPEG2 decode to scaling and video back-end processing into a single chip are the most economical solution, and Genesis is way behind in that respect. Companies like ATI/AMD and Taiwanese company Mediatek have taken over much of that market with their integrated chip solutions.

Genesis had some loyal customers such as LG, Toshiba and Philips who continued to use their chips but Genesis is losing some of that business too.

One American company with Chinese connections called Trident Microsystems (TRID) has been very succesful since 2005 with chips focusing on image quality and most tier-1 flagship LCD-TV models from Sony, Samsung and Sharp have been using their chips. Like GNSS they have been kind of slow getting the integrated HDTV decode into their chips so their business may come under threat too.

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im wondering whether to purchase a 37w3 now or wait for the 42" next month. I mainly want one of these for my computer.....but im thinking 42 might be too big! Will the 5000:1 dynamic contrast really make a difference on these new sets?


I'm surrently using my 42W2 a my computer monitor. Yes it big but it's not bad. The only time it seemd too big is when I lean inand my face is with in a foot and a half away. Three feet back it it fine. it's great when I lean back in my chair with my wireless keyboard. With my FusionHDTV tuner is great to work and watch TV in the corner.

But a 37w3 at 1080p would make a great monitor. Maybe even better that the 42W2 if soley used for the PC. So if a built in TV tuner is not important and you can save some cash. I think the 37" make a great choice for PC use.
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Here's another article on the new TX line that has some good info:

http://www.tektruth.com/moxie/news/n...-1080p-o.shtml

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The TX TV's deliver razor-sharp images with their Full Color Spectrum and High Contrast Picture -- which creates deeper blacks and richer dark scene details by dynamically matching the brightness of the TV backlight to that of the on-screen image. The Advanced Calibration Menu allows the users to make advanced adjustments to calibration settings including colorimertry and the Preset Video Modes give users the ability to select from a menu of customized viewing styles including movies, games and sports.

The TX TVs incorporate the latest Westinghouse proprietary technologies such as: 1080Pure offering 1080p resolution out of all HD connectors; SpineDesign intelligent cable access; DayBright panel technology for stunning daytime or nighttime viewing; and Autosource technology, intelligent engineering that automatically turns the TV on and adjusts it when an external source that is detected. The built-in stereo speakers and subwoofer ensure a captivating sonic experience from richly detailed musical passages to metal twisting car chases.

1080p on every connection is sweet! Autosource sounds interesting - I wonder exactly what "adjust" means.
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do we know if this line is 1080p/60/50/24?

loving my completed home theater. :)
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Interesting that Westinghouse is one of the top 5 LCD makers. So the rest are Samsung, Sharp, Sony, and who else? Philips? Vizio?

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Here's another article on the new TX line that has some good info:

http://www.tektruth.com/moxie/news/n...-1080p-o.shtml



1080p on every connection is sweet! Autosource sounds interesting - I wonder exactly what "adjust" means.

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Interesting that Westinghouse is one of the top 5 LCD makers. So the rest are Samsung, Sharp, Sony, and who else? Philips? Vizio?

LG... LG's also the #1 manufacturer of flat-panels (plasma and LCD) in the world.
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do we know if this line is 1080p/60/50/24?

1080p/60 for NTSC/ATSC North America.
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Here's another article on the new TX line that has some good info:

http://www.tektruth.com/moxie/news/n...-1080p-o.shtml



1080p on every connection is sweet! Autosource sounds interesting - I wonder exactly what "adjust" means.

Actually the previous models also took 1080p on the component inputs. It was an undocumented and rarely known feature discovered by the reviewers at Audioholics.
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One American company with Chinese connections called Trident Microsystems (TRID) has been very succesful since 2005 with chips focusing on image quality and most tier-1 flagship LCD-TV models from Sony, Samsung and Sharp have been using their chips. Like GNSS they have been kind of slow getting the integrated HDTV decode into their chips so their business may come under threat too.

I know for certain the Sony sets use an ATI Xilleon scaler solution. Perhaps Trident is marrying that with their chipset?
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I know for certain the Sony sets use an ATI Xilleon scaler solution. Perhaps Trident is marrying that with their chipset?

You seems to know a lot about scalers, do you have a website that kind of show which scaler can do what?
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To be sure, ask Amazon that question.

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On Amazon's site today (April 6) they are stating a ship date between April 16 and 23 for the Westinghouse TX-47F430S.
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On Amazon's site today (April 6) they are stating a ship date between April 16 and 23 for the Westinghouse TX-47F430S.


I have just went to that page and I don't see the date, so can the 52"'s ship date be May 16 - 23
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You seems to know a lot about scalers, do you have a website that kind of show which scaler can do what?

Do I personally? No, it's just information I've learned over time. I've never seen a site that summarizes technical information across brands, which is kind of surprising really.
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Do I personally? No, it's just information I've learned over time. I've never seen a site that summarizes technical information across brands, which is kind of surprising really.

May be you should start a site and summarize that for us.
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Finally a thread for these new model's. I want the TX42!!!!

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If they are indeed shipping this month, I'm a bit surprised Westinghouse doesn't have them on their site (unless I missed) something.
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If they are indeed shipping this month, I'm a bit surprised Westinghouse doesn't have them on their site (unless I missed) something.

Do they have a track record of posting something on the web before the product hit the street?
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Do they have a track record of posting something on the web before the product hit the street?

While I don't recall the model, I do know there was one set (I believe it was a 42") they had on the site before it was available. How long before, I couldn't tell you...but I recall getting some spec info from the site, before I saw it on any of the major online sites (i.e. Best Buy, Crutchfield).

Seeing as the major sites already are taking pre-orders, I would of just thought Westinghouse would display the new series on their site (add to the hype). Who knows, maybe they don't want to affect sales of their current line-up.
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what does 120Hz gain you? Can it be just another term for response time? 1/frequency = time,
so 1000ms/120 = 8.33ms may be anything that have 8ms or less can claim 120Hz? Can that be a case? I am just guessing.


It is a multiple of 24 fps, as well as of 60fps, so movies do not need to have 3-2 pulldown. 1080p24 can be displayed natively. No judder.
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May be you should start a site and summarize that for us.

I think my cat knows more HTML than I do, and if that's not a good enough excuse I'll just admit I'm too lazy to do something like that.
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While I don't recall the model, I do know there was one set (I believe it was a 42") they had on the site before it was available. How long before, I couldn't tell you...but I recall getting some spec info from the site, before I saw it on any of the major online sites (i.e. Best Buy, Crutchfield).

Seeing as the major sites already are taking pre-orders, I would of just thought Westinghouse would display the new series on their site (add to the hype). Who knows, maybe they don't want to affect sales of their current line-up.

The LVM-42w2 was detailed on their website a full month before release, and it ended up being another 2 weeks or so before product actually hit retailers.
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Finally a thread for these new model's. I want the TX42!!!!

... and I want the TX-47! (now, if I can just convince my wife of the absolute necessity )
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... and I want the TX-47! (now, if I can just convince my wife of the absolute necessity )

Let's discuss how we can convince our wifes for our purchase. My wife sort of let me buy the 52" but she doesn't want me to buy it at launch because she felt I'll be overpaying. However, for the track record, the 47" didn't go down in price for more than $300 for the first year. I am willing to spare that just to enjoy it a bit earlier. I don't know how to make her let me buy it at launch yet.
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As it seems the prices on-line are aleady discounted, you can tell her you got a special 'launch price'

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Let's discuss how we can convince our wifes for our purchase. My wife sort of let me buy the 52" but she doesn't want me to buy it at launch because she felt I'll be overpaying. However, for the track record, the 47" didn't go down in price for more than $300 for the first year. I am willing to spare that just to enjoy it a bit earlier. I don't know how to make her let me buy it at launch yet.

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