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post #631 of 3238 Old 10-13-2007, 01:13 PM
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matrix08,

I know you said no high def. players but..... the PS3 does an excellent job upconverting DVD's. With the new 40 Gb PS3 at 399 (?), and an upconverting player running about 100. For 300 more, you can can get into blu ray movies and the next generation of games. Just something to consider.
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What upconverting DVD player (not blueray or HD players yet) and sound system do you guys recommend for 52W3000? sorry for having so many questions before I can contribute anything.

I am very happy with the Pioneer Elite DV46-AV. I'm getting outstanding PQ with the 52W3000 and this player (connected via HDMI).
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Larry,

PS3 does sound a good deal. The one I am considering is OPPO DV980H (including a HDMI cable), which costs $169.99. If an upconverting DVD player is more expensive than that, then I'd better get PS3 even if I don't play games at all.

Thank both you and msmith_JL for the responses.

Did anyone have an experience with OPPO DV980H connected with W3000?

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matrix08,

I know you said no high def. players but..... the PS3 does an excellent job upconverting DVD's. With the new 40 Gb PS3 at 399 (?), and an upconverting player running about 100. For 300 more, you can can get into blu ray movies and the next generation of games. Just something to consider.

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I am trying to decide between a Sharp LC-46D92U and a Sony KDL 46W3000. Both will fit my cabinet, which has a hard width dimension of 46 inches. Has anyone compared these two? When I look at both, the Sharp has more vivid colors (almost too much at times) but this seems cost some in detail, while the Sony has better detail but not as vivid color. For example, when looking at a football player with helmet on, I can see more facial detail on the Sony but colors are brighter with Sharp. Can the Sony be adjusted to bring out more color?
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Bruce....your eye is on the wrong ball.

The purpose of a HDTV is to portray the most accurate colors...not the most bright artificial colors that you see on every TV in the store. The only way to compare the sets is to adjust the colors so they have realistic color on their picture: Make sure the skin tone on the TV matches your skin tone....the green on a football field is not bright green, etc. Then you can compare and look at shadow detail, blacks, etc. But selecting a TV because it is the most VIVID (artificial) color is just plain wrong. Don't get me wrong...95% of the people who walk into a TV store buy just what you're looking for...the brightest vivid color picture set. I suggest you become one of the 5% who actually know what to look for....

Now...if you want to see something close to real color, go back to the store and find the SONY. Ask the salesman to change the color setting from VIVID to Natural or whatever the next lower setting is. Suddenly the picture will look drab and dull next to all the other sets...BUT, when you look just at the Sony, you will see that colors are much more true to life and the other sets look artificial. I did this at best buy during a football game and the Sony was incredibly real....the others were absurdly artificial in comparison.
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I have 980H Oppo hooked up to 32S3000. I's a great product, but its getting outdated. You can buy HD-A2 for like ~$220 which can upconvert DVDs as good as Oppo if not better. Seriously, for the price, Oppo is not that great anymore, unless you are crazy about futures like DivX or DVD-A..
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I got the 52w3000 today. The only source I have is a SD DVD player with a regular output. Even with this, the picture doesn't look too bad. Did anyone try a SD non-upconverting DVD player with a HDMI cable and just let the TV upconvert the SD DVDs? How does it compare to using an upconverting DVD player?

So far I am happy with the TV, with no dead pixels, clouding or strange colors. It becomes blurry when the objects move fast. I hope that it will get better when the signals are better.

mdLCD, thanks for the information. I have to think about so many choices.

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I have 980H Oppo hooked up to 32S3000. I's a great product, but its getting outdated. You can buy HD-A2 for like ~$220 which can upconvert DVDs as good as Oppo if not better. Seriously, for the price, Oppo is not that great anymore, unless you are crazy about futures like DivX or DVD-A..

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I got the 52w3000 today. The only source I have is a SD DVD player with a regular output. Even with this, the picture doesn't look too bad. Did anyone try a SD non-upconverting DVD player with a HDMI cable and just let the TV upconvert the SD DVDs? How does it compare to using an upconverting DVD player?

I'm planning to pick 52W3000 around the Christmas.. Believe me, there is a different between non-upconverting and upconverting players. In some titles, it looks very close to High Def.
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Hi, been following this thread, which helped me decide to make this our replacement for our 5 year old Toshiba rear projection TV that died on us (blinking red LED light). Plus, Fry's happened to have a sale on this Sony at the same time. Wanted to share my experience thus far. Just out of the box 3 days and the screen now only shows vertical color stripes, both cable and dvd inputs. Sony support suggested a technician come look at it after he had me check cable connections and do a power reset. Instead, I'm going to exchange it for another. O/W, we are quite pleased with PQ. HD cable is quite spectacular via component cables. FWIW, the employees loaded the tv on its side in the back of my Odyssey and the ride home was not exceptionally bumpy.
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Help, PLEASE!!!

I am about to go nuts and buy my son a flat panel display for his 30th (he's man now) birthday.

I have been looking at the 46XBR3 for some time, and I see where I can get one for a nice price. But, it is an "old" model compared to the newer 46W which I can get for a $300 lower price than the older XBR3.

Am I comparing apples to apples here or apples to oranges??????

Is it too early to tell, or can someone advise me as to which would be the best or better way to go - older XBR3 or the new W3000 (both would be 46 inch.)

Thanks
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I first compared XBR2/3 and XBR4/5. Then I found the W series. I think W is a better choice because it is a new model comparing to XBR2/3 and doesn't cost as much as XBR4/5. I am happy with my choice.

The new features that the W series have compared to XBR2/3 include x.v.Color and 1080p/24 signals. Somebody else can correct me if I am wrong.



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Help, PLEASE!!!

I am about to go nuts and buy my son a flat panel display for his 30th (he's man now) birthday.

I have been looking at the 46XBR3 for some time, and I see where I can get one for a nice price. But, it is an "old" model compared to the newer 46W which I can get for a $300 lower price than the older XBR3.

Am I comparing apples to apples here or apples to oranges??????

Is it too early to tell, or can someone advise me as to which would be the best or better way to go - older XBR3 or the new W3000 (both would be 46 inch.)

Thanks

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It seems that I should get a HD-A2. What type of HDMI cable should I get? Does it make a different if the cable is different?

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I'm planning to pick 52W3000 around the Christmas.. Believe me, there is a different between non-upconverting and upconverting players. In some titles, it looks very close to High Def.

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I am considering the 46w3000 and have a question about viewing black & white DVD's (16:9 SD) with regard to the viewing angle and self-dimming feature (you can't turn that off, right?). Do the pillars on the sides/letterbox turn noticeably blue when viewing off-center?
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It seems that I should get a HD-A2. What type of HDMI cable should I get? Does it make a different if the cable is different?

Cables don't make difference at all. Monster cables are overrated and overpriced. They all are the same. Just get it from http://www.monoprice.com. It's very reputable online store.
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I have another question. Why didn't you guys buy a plasma TV?
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I am considering the 46w3000 and have a question about viewing black & white DVD's (16:9 SD) with regard to the viewing angle and self-dimming feature (you can't turn that off, right?). Do the pillars on the sides/letterbox turn noticeably blue when viewing off-center?

You can't turn off the autodim feature.

The side bars are/near BLACK when watching a move (DVD, Blu ray)
On stardard defination not so dark but still black. It really depends upon the signal of the channel.

Here are a couple shots...
52w3000
PS3 upconverting a DVD.
(Camera is a 2 year old 5 megapixel so be kind )



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Cables don't make difference at all. Monster cables are overrated and overpriced. They all are the same. Just get it from http://www.monoprice.com. It's very reputable online store.

Very VERY True!

DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT buy your HDMI Cables from a retail store!!!

They are all over-packaged, over-marketed hype. If you have short runs to connect your components I would suggest going to a local nearby electronics store in your area. Basically any shop that does electronics for professionals or installers. Also Google up an online store and look at your savings. I bought from one of our local vendors and paid around $70 for (3) HDMI 6' Cables, (2) 6' Optical Cables, (1) DVI-HDMI 10' Cable. Better savings could be found online I am sure.

The wire we use in audio post-production for features would make some of these monster cable owners cringe, lol. I know you are trying to get the best possible signal to your devices, but in short digital runs it is all 1's and 0's. It either works or it doesn't.

Resist the urge to buy the HDMI, component, and optical cables in the store.

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LarryMoe, thanks so much, that's a big help. The JVC I am returning shows distractingly blue sidebars and I want an improvement in my next selection. I wasn't sure what is "normal" since all you can see in the stores is fullscreen HD.
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Has anyone gotten the opportunity to check out the Bravia model KDL-52WL130 at Sam's Club? It seems to be a rebranded KDL-52W3000, but includes a free stand and an extended 18 month waranty. Specs seem virtually identical to the KDL-52W3000 http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/nav...16&prDeTab=2#A with the exception of an 18000:1 Dynamic Contrast Ratio.

I've seen the set at the store (it's a new model, produced in Aug 2007) and the picture on the display model looks awesome. I'm somewhat leary about buying the set at Sam's Club and finding out that it's a downgraded model, but I do like the free matching stand for the same price as the W3000.

Thoughts, anyone?
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What kind of stand are you getting? I paid my 52W3000 for less than $2600 including tax.

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Has anyone gotten the opportunity to check out the Bravia model KDL-52WL130 at Sam's Club? It seems to be a rebranded KDL-52W3000, but includes a free stand and an extended 18 month waranty. Specs seem virtually identical to the KDL-52W3000 http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/nav...16&prDeTab=2#A with the exception of an 18000:1 Dynamic Contrast Ratio.

I've seen the set at the store (it's a new model, produced in Aug 2007) and the picture on the display model looks awesome. I'm somewhat leary about buying the set at Sam's Club and finding out that it's a downgraded model, but I do like the free matching stand for the same price as the W3000.

Thoughts, anyone?

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I'm interested in the 46w3000 and the 47d64u sharp. They both look very good to me. They appear to have about the same capabilities with hdmi1.3, handling 1080p/24, etc.

But the Sony locally costs about $500 more than the Sharp. Can you please tell me if the extra money is worth it for those that have this system? Hopefully you can give me more than you get what you pay for?

Thanks in advance.
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I'm interested in the 46w3000 and the 47d64u sharp. They both look very good to me. They appear to have about the same capabilities with hdmi1.3, handling 1080p/24, etc.

But the Sony locally costs about $500 more than the Sharp. Can you please tell me if the extra money is worth it for those that have this system? Hopefully you can give me more than you get what you pay for?

Thanks in advance.

I can only tell you that every time I've viewed these sets side by side, the Sony picture looked much better to me. Enough so that I know I would never be completely satisfied with the Sharp. But if they both look equally good to you, go with the Sharp and save the $500.
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Hi everyone I am new here and I just bought my first LCD HDTV and could use some help setting it up. Can someone tell me how to enter the service mode and also can someone list their calibration settings?
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What kind of stand are you getting? I paid my 52W3000 for less than $2600 including tax.

The stand is a SU-FL300L, which retails for $399 at the Sony online store. But I didn't realize that the 52W3000 could be had for $2600. Even figuring in the cost of the stand and extended warranty, the Sam's Club price doesn't seem all that great.

However, I'm not able to find the 52W3000 at any of the big box retail stores - they only seem to carry the XBR series, which is a little too expensive for me. Did you buy yours online or at a brick and mortar store?
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I bought it when circuitcity had a promotion. Now the promotion is over. But Amazon sells it for about $2800.

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The stand is a SU-FL300L, which retails for $399 at the Sony online store. But I didn't realize that the 52W3000 could be had for $2600. Even figuring in the cost of the stand and extended warranty, the Sam's Club price doesn't seem all that great.

However, I'm not able to find the 52W3000 at any of the big box retail stores - they only seem to carry the XBR series, which is a little too expensive for me. Did you buy yours online or at a brick and mortar store?

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However, I'm not able to find the 52W3000 at any of the big box retail stores - they only seem to carry the XBR series, which is a little too expensive for me. Did you buy yours online or at a brick and mortar store?

Best Buy has it on their web site, and I have seen it in their stores. But you won't get it for the Amazon price.
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I really would like to get the 52W3000 but.....when watching an HD program I naturally want to watch it in 16:9, when watching an SD program I want to see it in 4:3 with side bars, i.e without distortion. According to the owners manual, there is no setting that will show either program in the original mode -- you have to manually change the setting. Am I missing something?
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I really would like to get the 52W3000 but.....when watching an HD program I naturally want to watch it in 16:9, when watching an SD program I want to see it in 4:3 with side bars, i.e without distortion. According to the owners manual, there is no setting that will show either program in the original mode -- you have to manually change the setting. Am I missing something?
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Yep,

I have the cable box set to normal and the tv display set to full. The channels come in as you described. 16:9 when supported and 4:3 with the side bars on standard. Don't have to change a setting.

Also if you set the display on the tv set to pixel by pixel it shrinks the 4:3 about 2" on each side of a 52" giving you a little bettter picture. The trade off is that sometimes you get a sqiggly line on the top of the picture, last row or two of pixels. This only happen on less than 5% of the channels but usually occurs on the channel you want to watch. Go figure

So far I like my tv a lot. I really wanted to get an 52 xbr4 but still cannot find a reason to spend that much more. Believe me I tried.
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I would think that someone would have tried to answer my question. Thanks for nothing.
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I would think that someone would have tried to answer my question. Thanks for nothing.

Here are my previous posts in this thread about my calibration settings:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post11434622

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post11511327


FYI - I almost never notice the yellow tinge anymore. Even with my original settings. I wonder if the set has changed after breaking in or if my brain has just adjusted to it? In fact, I use the Warm 1 temp setting now for a lot of programming and prefer it to Neutral. I've also turned the backlight down to 5 and picture down to 67.


I don't know how to get into the service menu.

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