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post #61 of 3238 Old 07-26-2007, 04:17 PM
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The site said the same thing last week about the W and then it was available Friday. I am waiting to see the 4 also.
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jbraz,

I see the same thing on my W compared to the XBR3. Much more detail in peoples faces on the 3 over the W. I see more detail on the W in vivid but I can't turn that mode down enough for everyday viewing.

I agree about the contrast and black levels, only a slight improvement over the XBR. The picture just has more pop on the XBR over the W.
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NY350Z-thanks for the response. I was REALLY hoping the W3000 was what i was looking for. I even got it in 46" instead of the 40'' that i have with the V2500. It is currently 6:48 p.m. central. I am watching a soccer match on ESPN2HD. I can see the texture of the grass much better on the V2500 than the W3000. However, the color seems a little truer and contrast ever so slightly better than V2500. However, when the picture is pulled back the grass is more "foggy/less clear" on the W3000. There is the voice zoom, theatre sync and PIP plus 10 bit picture on the W3000 BUT I just can't see the extra $1300. I realize this is a 46" vs. 40" on the V2500 but I need more to plunk down the extra $1300.

I'm disappointed with the W3000 overall. Not enough bang for the buck. I will probably stick with the V2500 and look at the Samsung 81 series with LED backlight.
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Well, my W3000 went back to CC. They had the 46V2500 I had returned and let me have it back at the same amazing sale price I got it at.

BTW, pretty funny comment from the Sears guy. He must have heard about the fix for clouding!
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The W3000 has a brushed metal frame. It is not matte, per se, but defintely not glossy. It's brushed metal. (and appears to definitely BE metal). It does have a small degree of reflectivity, but the frame is bezeled and tapers backward so any light reflectivity should be minimal. The color is sort of a dark charcoal color. Lighter than a black, but still pretty dark. I thought it looked very nice, very classy.

Hope that helps.

Thanks. The brushed metal frame sounds awesome. However, after reading the recent picture reviews, I am not as excited about this set any more. I may just end up with the 40V2500 after all.
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Well, my W3000 went back to CC. They had the 46V2500 I had returned and let me have it back at the same amazing sale price I got it at.

George, Have you considered the V3000?
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:S Oh boy, I was hoping to upgrade to a 52" LCD, probably the W3000 next spring (from a 46V2500), but from these early reviews, I might be better off sticking with what I have.
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jbrazj,

It seems like in order to achieve better contrast Sony lost some clarity.

George,

I guess you gave up on the W. I am about to do the same. I want to see the XBR4 and then decide what to do.
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The V is basically the same as the W, only $300 cheaper w/o HDMI 1.3 (which is what I'd recommend buying instead of the W....see all the 1.3 talk). Maybe one day we'll figure out the real contrast ratio on these two sets since Sony's site is full of confusion.
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George,

I haven't had one problem with the HDMI 1.3. I agree there has to be a standard for measuring contrast ratio. Samsung is 15000 and the W is 16000 but there is no way that the W has more contrast.
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I bought my 40W3000 from Fry's for $2000.00. But after reading this forum, I am thinking to return it and wait for XBR4 or will buy V2500.
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I bought my 40W3000 from Fry's for $2000.00. But after reading this forum, I am thinking to return it and wait for XBR4 or will buy V2500.

Yup, me too!
A lot of features with the "W", but alas, the PQ doesn't match up for some reason.
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WireJockey,

Do you think it is the DRC that is taking the clarity away? On the XBR3 I can change the DRC mode but on the W it is locked out on HDMI and Component.
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WireJockey,

Do you think it is the DRC that is taking the clarity away? On the XBR3 I can change the DRC mode but on the W it is locked out on HDMI and Component.

Hmmmm, I really am clueless on that one.
I know you have DRC MF V2.5 on yours, and it's V1.0 on the "W".
Again, I think with the straight on viewing angle the PQ is great, but from a 15* angle, the PQ drops off. Also, I am not doing a side by side comparison either, it's just that the "S" series looked just as good from that angle. This is a bedroom application, not a dedicated HT, so ymmv
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Thats weird that the W still has the 1.0 version. In a side by side comparison the 3 has more detail like your V2500 even straight on.
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You really need to know what the source is, and if DRC is even on. The 2500 doesn't have it, the W has version 1 (improves SD only), and the XBR3 has version 2.5 (improves SD, 720p, and 1080i). If for example, hi def over cable is being sent to all 3, only the XBR has the capability to use DRC to improve the picture to 1080p. And that is if it's even being used.
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Hmmmm, I really am clueless on that one.
I know you have DRC MF V2.5 on yours, and it's V1.0 on the "W".
Again, I think with the straight on viewing angle the PQ is great, but from a 15* angle, the PQ drops off. Also, I am not doing a side by side comparison either, it's just that the "S" series looked just as good from that angle. This is a bedroom application, not a dedicated HT, so ymmv

Do you mean "master bedroom" or just a "junior bedroom"
So it depends....
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George,

I am just trying to figure out why the W does not have the clarity of the XBR 3 or even the V2500.

Are you happy to have your 2500 back? I was able to get rid of the yellow by adjustng the white balance but it still isn't as good as the X.
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That's a good question. I think the comment of improved contrast affecting it is an interesting one. Might explain why the Samsung is not as sharp as the Sony (video processing aside).

I'm very happy to have my 2500 back. Looks like taking it for a ride in the car and having the guys at CC move it all around knocked my corner flashlight loose...haven't seen it yet. Hooking it back up really showed me what I was seeing on the 3000 with menus not being as sharp. Again, the 3000 is still a good set, great contrast and colors, lots of adjustments....just for me having the 2500 for $800-$900 less is the better deal.
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This whole 1080p24 thing confuses the hell outta me

This is my understanding at the moment:-
Quite a few Bluray disks are now recorded at 1080p24
A PS3 with FW1.9 can now be forced to output this at 1080p24,
so the 3:2 pulldown to 1080p60 is no longer necessary within the PS3

Now, apparently, there are displays out there, in the Other Rooms, that shall not be mentioned here, that have refresh rates of 72Hz, or even 120Hz, which being a neat multiple of 24 are thus supposed to offer the "sweet spot" for viewing 1080p24 material.

The KDL-nnW3000 does not run at 120Hz tho. In the manual, there's an option to 'Auto' the 3:2 pull-down stuff - doesn't this put us back to square one?

The next models up, the X (XBR) series, have this MotionFlow 120Hz thing. Except for us Europeans, I hear we get MotionFlow 100Hz.

OK, maybe the link between frames per second and refresh rate isn't quite as rigid as I'm making out. I would still appreciate a really solid answer about how well the W3000 deals with 1080p24 input - just how good is it?

1) Perfect - only get an X (XBR) if you've got money to burn
2) OK - maybe get an X (XBR) as it does 1080p24 better for fussy people
3) Poor - definately get an X (XBR) as it does 1080p24 waay better
4) Wait longer, neither do 1080p24 'just right' in the EU
5) Forget these, go to the 'Other Rooms' and we'll speak of it no further

2) http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.aspx?sku=338394 - that'll do me!

Now, where did I leave that there two grand lying around...
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Looks like taking it for a ride in the car and having the guys at CC move it all around knocked my corner flashlight loose...haven't seen it yet. .

That's a good one Look down in the speaker area, may have fallen down there!
I'll take a bat to 'ol W and see what I get

I forgot, was it the 40" or 46"?
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I think W3000 is good set. I will test it for 2 more weeks and If find something wrong will return it.

As this is my first LCD ever, I don't have anything to compare it with. Actually I posted pictures in different thread. You can check it here if you want.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&#post11127044

let me know what you guys think.
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A 46.

Malikriz, your pics had me scared for a second...I thought your power light was a blown pixel.
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haha...when I saw the pic. my self, I was scared too for a second.

So what you think? It looks good? I need some encouragement to keep my set.
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I as looking at the SAME Directv picture on both and I saw finer detail on the V2500 (Tony Stewart facial hair growth was sharper than the W3000). I have tried every mode. No matter what the V2500 shows more deatil up close. I've switched the HDMI between the 2 ...still the same no matter what.

The W3000 has slightly better contrast and just very slightly better on color detail. Even though I'm comparing a 46" W3000 vs. a 40" V2500 it's not a significant difference for $1300. Both she and my daughter admit the W3000 is a "little" sharper with a little better contrast but think the close up detail is a little better on the V2500.

You can not compare a 46 inch vs a 40 inch for close up details, like you are. (and standing too close to boot) its really and apple and and orange. The pixels may count the same....but are sized and spread differently.

People looking for the a massive JUMP over the V2500 to the V3000 are mistaken. If you are a current owner of the V2500 unless you got money to burn its too soon to replace. The V3000 is an improvement...its is better....but its not LOADS BETTER.

The one thing only an owner can tell us (I have stood in stores for hours...pathetically comparing over and over....people walking around me) what we need and owner to tell us is------> is it a jump in SD content quality?
The V has better contrast....lastest upgrades....and no clouding....its keeping pace with the other manufacturers....and for Sony that means staying up front.

The next jumps to trade up for are 120HZ and LED backlighting. The LED backlighting will drop in cost fast if its is as good as they say....LED are not costly and most of the cost will be perfecting the electronics to drive them. One thing so far...it the LEDs first and second generation will be 2-4 inches thicker than current panels.

The V3000 is significantly better than every other manufacturers current Sets. They are clearly better....and clearly better IMO is significant in a TV.

The people going anal over clouding should get a grip. I have viewed V3000 and W3000 and S3000s there is no clouding issues. There could be an off angle problem with people using their magnifing glasses.

If clouding is your concern be assured you can get a replacement that has no problem....easy. The Clouding problem was an assembly issue with un even torquing of the panel to frame during manufacture. Its resolved.

Summary if you have a 2007 model Sony....hold off on buying a new one....if are shopping for a new TV....the V and W and even the S 3000s are all excellent
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I think W3000 is good set. I will test it for 2 more weeks and If find something wrong will return it.

As this is my first LCD ever, I don't have anything to compare it with. Actually I posted pictures in different thread. You can check it here if you want.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&#post11127044

let me know what you guys think.

THANK YOU....your picture confirm there is no Clouding issue in the new Sony W3000 and V3000. Perfect Pictures...you have a large black spot in a film which would have shown clouds if they existed.

You have a single credit against a black screen....the acid test....if Clouds existed they would have been shown here.

Your pictures are the proof and also what I have seen......thanks
Hopefully this will end the mass hysteria......clouds...clouds you say....why yes....suddenly I think I see them too
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The one thing only an owner can tell us (I have stood in stores for hours...pathetically comparing over and over....people walking around me) what we need and owner to tell us is------> is it a jump in SD content quality?

Exactly my position! I want to make sure that the V3000 and W3000 are as good as or better than the V2500 in HD, but my real criterion would be if they are better in SD. DRC MF V1.0 is supposed to give is that, but I'd like to see or read someone that has done this comparison.

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Summary if you have a 2007 model Sony....hold off on buying a new one....if are shopping for a new TV....the V and W and even the S 3000s are all excellent

Excellent post, thanks for your opinions. If price is not a consideration, would you recommed a V3000 or W3000? They both have DRC MF V1.0, so SD shouldn't be the difference maker. Only difference is HDMI 1.3, so I guess I'd like to hear your opinion on whether that is worth it.
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THANK YOU....your picture confirm there is no Clouding issue in the new Sony W3000 and V3000. Perfect Pictures...you have a large black spot in a film which would have shown clouds if they existed.

You have a single credit against a black screen....the acid test....if Clouds existed they would have been shown here.

Your pictures are the proof and also what I have seen......thanks
Hopefully this will end the mass hysteria......clouds...clouds you say....why yes....suddenly I think I see them too

Thanks for the support.I need one pretty soon to pair with my new PS3.I don't think there is any clouds issue.
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Is there anyone using the custom setting beside setting it at Vivid.All I hear is everyone sticking to the vivid setting.Is there a problem with the custom setting?
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