Originally Posted by georgeorwell
I think you'll find lots of people in the clouding thread that will disagree with you. You are one person, looking at a few sets. You cannot make a general statement that there is no issue based on your one observation. To say that all the people with past issues were anal over their clouding, well, I think you'll see posts from them shortly. In the mean time, let's get more people to chime in with their observations before deciding that the issue is resolved or not.
You are miss-reading me. I am talking only the W3000 and V3000. I am not talking about historical problems, or their impact to any owners there. Your reading of my posting is simply an error on your part.
When I mean anal...is we are talking a new product, with a 30 day return policy. If Clouds exist, which so far has been seen by 1 person of many samples, return the TV. Clouds, real clouds and not minor variations, are a manufacturing defect. As I have said before I believe its from improper assembly with the pneumatic screwdrivers unevenly torquing the screws down. To sink the panel right you need to use a pattern and snug first....before the final twists. Bottomline if someone buys a W3000 or V or S.....and they see defects....return the set.
All indications are the problem is fixed. But asking someone on a message board if they think clouds are an issue...is going overboard. We know that a good percentage of W and Vs don't have clouds....and we know they don't suddenly appear....we know they are there from the start....or are not their......its not a sickness that comes....like a plasma gas leak.
There is not going to be a vote or some sort of consensus if the problem is there or not.....and any LCD can be assembled wrong....its going to be a quality control thing. The prior Sony design had weaknesses and there was a learning curve on the assembly floor....I think both those issues are resolved with the new designs.
But I really don't count....people should look at the sets at the showrooms...everyone should be close to a SEARS or other. See the defects does not exist on the floor model....and if they want to buy it after they like the set.....when the get home if the screen is defective return it.
If you get a Sony Bravia....the NEW GENERATIONs of S3000 V3000 and W3000....don't settle for a defective TV. Its really that simple.
I think people don't even know what clouds are by the comments.......here is a picture of a problem TV.
and again here is an expected display vs a problem one.....if your screen looks like the bottom one....you don't have problem..... and just to be clear....there are people that are being anal when call the lower TV out as being clouded.
and here is another defective screen.....if you bought this new...would you keep it???? Of course not
NOW COMPARE THOSE TO WHAT WE HAVE FOR THE W3000http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&#post11127044