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As exist a thread for the new V3000 its time for the W3000 to has her own thread.

UPDATE 2 28/1/2008

FULL SPECS AT SONY STYLE

40" MSRP PRICE 1.999$
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921665116628

46" MSRP PRICE 2.499$
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921665116630

52" MSRP PRICE 2.699$(ONLY TILL FEB 2 NORMAL MSRP 2999$
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...tegoryId=28844

OWNERS MANUAL

http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/mod...00&region_id=1

CALIBRATION

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...w_BNwN--x3mCMQ
W3000 and XBR4/5 are pretty similar models except the 120Hz missing from the W3000.So XBR4/5 settings can be used also on W3000.The spreadsheet is creted to help with the various settings posted on XBR4/5 settings thread


Its available at 40",46" and 52"!
Exact specs:
Full specifications - Sony KDL-40W3000 Hide
Manufacturer: Sony Electronics, Inc.
Part number: KDL40W3000
General
Product Type 52 in LCD TV
Series BRAVIA
Digital Television Certification HDTV
PC Interface HDMI, VGA (HD-15)
Width 39.1 in
Depth 10.4 in
Height 27.1 in
Weight 55.1 lbs
Display
Diagonal Size 52 in
Technology TFT active matrix
Resolution 1920 x 1080
Display Format 1080p (FullHD)
Image Aspect Ratio 16:9
Image Contrast Ratio 2000:1
Dynamic Contrast Ratio 16000:1
Progressive Scan Progressive scanning (line doubling)
Widescreen Modes Full, Zoom, Normal, Wide Zoom
Viewing Angle 178 degrees
Viewing Angle (Vertical) 178 degrees
Comb Filter 3D digital
V-Chip Control Yes
Color Temperature Control Yes
Picture Adjustment Vivid/Standard/Custom
Additional Features Clock, Game mode, MotionFlow, Sleep timer
DVR
DVR None
VCR
Type None
DVD
Type None
Digital TV Tuner
Digital TV Tuner QAM, ATSC
Video Features
HDTV Ready Yes
Analog Video Input Signals NTSC
Input Video Formats 1080p
Freeze Memo Yes
Parental Channel Lock Yes
Radio
Radio None
Remote Control
Remote Control Remote control - Infrared
Supported Devices TV
Remote Control (2nd)
Type None
Audio System
Sound Output Mode Stereo
Surround Mode Yes
Sound Effects Virtual Dolby Digital, S-FORCE Front Surround Sound
Audio Controls Balance, Bass, Treble
Connections
Connector Type 2 x Component video input ( RCA phono ) - Rear, 2 x Composite video input ( RCA phono ) - Rear, 1 x Composite video input ( RCA phono ) - Side, 1 x S-Video input ( 4 pin mini-DIN ) - Rear, 1 x Headphones ( Mini-phone stereo 3.5 mm ) - Side, 1 x VGA input ( 15 pin HD D-Sub (HD-15) ) - Rear, 2 x HDMI ( 19 pin HDMI Type A ) - Rear, 1 x HDMI ( 19 pin HDMI Type A ) - Side, 1 x Digital audio output (coaxial) ) - Rear, 1 x Serial ( 9 pin D-Sub, 1 x Audio line-in ( RCA phono ) - Side, 4 x Audio line-in ( RCA phono ) - Rear, 1 x Audio line-out ( RCA phono ) - Rear
Stands & Mounts
Flat Panel Mount Interface Yes
Miscellaneous
Compliant Standards EPA Energy Star
Power
Power Device Power supply - Internal
Power Consumption Stand by / Sleep 0.4 Watt
Power Consumption Operational 200 Watt
Battery None
Manufacturer Warranty
Service & Support 1 year warranty
Service & Support Details Limited warranty - Parts and labor - 1 year
Dimensions & Weight Details
Dimensions & Weight Details 39.1 in x 4.8 in x 25.3 in

In the attachment there is a picture of this tv.

SERVICE MENU
press the following sequence with less then 1 second between buttons (I.E. fast).

* [PWR OFF], [DISPLAY], [5], [VOL+], [PWR ON]

The TV will turn on in service mode and the screen will look like an old green CRT superimposed on top of the picture..

The ENTER key referred to in the directions below is the ENT key to the right of the "0" on the remote.

Screwing around in this mode is almost impossible without some reference manual, and you can really do irreversible damage to you TV if you start randomly changing values "to see what it does" .. so there I warned you, so don't come suing me if it gotten all screwy..

NAVIGATE IN SERVICE MODE

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o [1] = Moves to Previous Menu Item
[4] = Moves to Next Menu Item
[3] = Adjusts Value Up
[6] = Adjusts Value Down
[MTS] = Toggles Stereo/Mono Audio
SAVE NEW SETTING
o [MUTE] followed by [ENTER] = stores NEW service mode settings to NVRAM
RESTORE USER SETTINGS
o [8] followed by [ENTER] = Restores All *USER* settings to factory defaults
RESET VALUES
o [0] followed by [ENTER] = Read Default service mode value from stored settings. (service mode reset)
LEAVE SERVICE MODE
o [PWR OFF] = Leave Service Mode any settings not written will be in effect until TV is unplugged or a Reset is performed.
RETURN TO DEFAULT SETTINGS:
o BEFORE storing NEW settings - unplug TV from wall, wait a few seconds, then plug back in, turn TV set on - All settings not written will have been lost.
o AFTER storing NEW settings - restore original value from list you made of original values before adjustments and store in NVRAM.
Thanks to arie
Alex the Great......40W3000, Jul 2007 - K-BMN-A-H-C-D-L-A-M
Malikriz................46W3000, Jul 2007 - K-BMN-A-H-C-D-L-A-M
rebel58................40W3000, Jul 2007 - K-BMN-A-H-C-D-L-A-M
Alex the Great......46W3000, Aug 2007 - K-BMN-A-H-C-D-L-A-N
petej88................52W3000, Aug, 2007 - M-BMN-A-H-C-D-L-A-N
RadarguyCT..........??W3000, Aug, 2007 - M-BMN-A-H-C-D-L-A-N
Dfigu....................40W3000, Aug 2007 - M-BMN-A-H-C-D-L-A-N
Continentqq..........40W3000, Sep 2007 - M-BMN-A-H-C-D-L-A-N
Apollo5.................52W3000, Sep 2007 - M-BMN-A-H-C-D-L-A-N
Apollo5.................52W3000, Sep 2007 - P-BMN-A-L-C-D-P-A-O
Grampy................46W3000, Oct 2007 - P-BMN-A-L-C-D-P-A-O
Zunit....................52W3000, Oct 2007 - Q-BMN-A-L-C-D-P-BMN-O
golbiga.................46W3000, Dec 2007 - R-BMN-A-EI-C-D-P-A-O
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I believe that the picture posted is an XBR set. The W3000 has a black "picture frame" and no glass surround, at least according to the SonyStyle site.

I would love to hear opinions of anyone who as seen a V3000 or W3000 set side-by-side with a Samsung xx61/65 series or a Sharp 92U series set to compare black levels. My only beef with Sony sets thus far (other than the clouding issue) was that the black levels do not seem very deep.

Otherwise, seems these will be some nice sets...though possibly overpriced compared to the competition.
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Here is the W
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Yes I corrected the attachment
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I just got a W Yesterday. The Screen is a little clearer then the XBR3 that I have. There are no clouds that I see. I have not had a chance to really adjust it yet. It looks good but I don't think the black level is much better than the XBR. I would say that the Samsung has better blacks, but the Sony has better clarity and less noise.

No Handshake issue on the W with the 1.3 HDMI.
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I just got a W Yesterday. The Screen is a little clearer then the XBR3 that I have. There are no clouds that I see. I have not had a chance to really adjust it yet. It looks good but I don't think the black level is much better than the XBR. I would say that the Samsung has better blacks, but the Sony has better clarity and less noise.

No Handshake issue on the W with the 1.3 HDMI.

I suppose you are comparing it to the 61/65 series Samsungs? Have you or do you still own one?

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Yes the 61/65 series. I did own a 4661 for a month that I returned. Good blacks but the clarity wasn't there and I didn't care for the off angle.

You see more detail on the Sony. I am not sold on the W yet I need to adjust it some more.
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NY350Z...

Thanks for the info. I'm definitely interested in this set, but for $1K more than the competition, it had better be good!

Have you tested the HDMI 1.3 to ensure there are no handshaking issues with an XBOX, etc., or are you just saying there are none so far?

I'm surprised the black levels aren't much better than the XBR2, given that the XBR2 wasn't that great to begin with. Glad to hear the picture quality is good though. How well does it handle a SD picture?

The 4661 is what I was looking at so I would definitely be interested in your comparison / opinion since you have had both.
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Vox,

I have tested the HDMI with the PS3 with both games and Blu-Ray. No issues. I had issues with the 4661 and that was the main reason it went back. I need to test more but all is well.

I will do a side by side comparison tonight of the 46W and the 46XBR3 at home and check black levels.

I think the SD is pretty good, better then the 4661 I had. Thats my opinion, I know some Sammy owners feel differently but it is what I saw. I thought the sammy had too much noise in the picture. I guess if you turn the Gamma down it helps but it had more noise than the Sony in HD content too.

I see a lot more detail on the Sony then the 4661 or 4665. Peoples faces especially. On the Sony i see more detail than the Sammy.
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Vox,

I have tested the HDMI with the PS3 with both games and Blu-Ray. No issues. I had issues with the 4661 and that was the main reason it went back. I need to test more but all is well.

I will do a side by side comparison tonight of the 46W and the 46XBR3 at home and check black levels.

I think the SD is pretty good, better then the 4661 I had. Thats my opinion, I know some Sammy owners feel differently but it is what I saw. I thought the sammy had too much noise in the picture. I guess if you turn the Gamma down it helps but it had more noise than the Sony in HD content too.

I see a lot more detail on the Sony then the 4661 or 4665. Peoples faces especially. On the Sony i see more detail than the Sammy.

Exactly what I saw when I had the 4661 and the 46V2500 side by side, Sony had greater detail, but not the contrast of the 4661. I'm still trying to decide on the W before my 30 day window to return the V2500 ends.
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Vox,

I have tested the HDMI with the PS3 with both games and Blu-Ray. No issues. I had issues with the 4661 and that was the main reason it went back. I need to test more but all is well.

I will do a side by side comparison tonight of the 46W and the 46XBR3 at home and check black levels.

I think the SD is pretty good, better then the 4661 I had. Thats my opinion, I know some Sammy owners feel differently but it is what I saw. I thought the sammy had too much noise in the picture. I guess if you turn the Gamma down it helps but it had more noise than the Sony in HD content too.

I see a lot more detail on the Sony then the 4661 or 4665. Peoples faces especially. On the Sony i see more detail than the Sammy.


How do you like the remote? It's backlit, right?
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NY350Z,

Thanks for the info. Keep it coming! Can you pls check some panning shots in BD movies or HD TV. I am very curious how this TV handles motion blur, as I am trying to decide between the V/W and the Toshiba LX177 with 120HZ.

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Exactly what I saw when I had the 4661 and the 46V2500 side by side, Sony had greater detail, but not the contrast of the 4661. I'm still trying to decide on the W before my 30 day window to return the V2500 ends.

I have seen the 4661 next to a V2500 and XBR2/3. I also agree that the detail and color accuracy was better on the Sony. My disappointment was that the Sony had black levels that were weak...more gray than black when compared side-by-side with Samsung or Sharp sets.

I was hoping that the V/W3000 series would have improved contrast and black levels compared to the prior generation. We will see when NY350 does his comparision of the XBR3 vs. the W series.
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Georgeorwell,

I rather have the detail. I had a 40V2500 and I definitely think the W looks better. It also looked better in the store. The W and the V2500 were side by side and the W had more contrast.
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The remote is basically the same as the XBR. It is nice. It all lights up blue at night and thats all buttons not just channels and volume.
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What is the difference between this and the 40V3000? The only thing I could really see when I checked out the sony site was the extra HDMI input. Does the W run in 120hz?
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No, it's not 120hz, even though the first post in this thread says so.
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Vox,

I have tested the HDMI with the PS3 with both games and Blu-Ray. No issues. I had issues with the 4661 and that was the main reason it went back. I need to test more but all is well.

I will do a side by side comparison tonight of the 46W and the 46XBR3 at home and check black levels.

Could you please comment or confirm on 1080p24 B-R support from PS3 on W compare to XBR.
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Not sure I follow Alex. I know there are different settings. What do you want me to put the PS3 on?
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Not sure I follow Alex. I know there are different settings. What do you want me to put the PS3 on?

I am not own a PS3, so I really do not know. To the best of my knowledge B-R movies have 1080p24 format. All old LCDs does not support this format natively. Sony claims that w3000 supposes it. So just cross compare the performance of W and XBR on this feed. Any input will be greatly appreciated.
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I think there is something in the PS3 menu to change it to 1080P24. There are like 4 different options.
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I am not own a PS3, so I really do not know. To the best of my knowledge B-R movies have 1080p24 format. All old LCDs does not support this format natively. Sony claims that w3000 supposes it. So just cross compare the performance of W and XBR on this feed. Any input will be greatly appreciated.

The new V and W series can now accept 1080p24 native signals but they are still using the 3:2 pulldown as the signal is converted to 1080p60. Not sure how the new XBR4/5 handles 1080p24 native signal with the MotionFlow 120 Hz.

We will know more about it when Cnet reviews the new XBR's later this year whether MotionFlow gives us smooth 1080p24 without processing or judder or is it only useful to reduce motion blur.
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according to crave/cnet they say they confirmed with sony that the xbr4/5 do indeed have a refresh rate of 120hz. well i cant post links yet but search "8301-1_105-9726975-1" on google and it should be the first link. not sure how credible this site is.
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Frys.com has these instock and shipping now....FWIW
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I had an opportunity to see a 40" W3000 series yesterday. It definitely had better contrast and black levels than the prior generation XBR2 that was nearby. They weren't on the same picture feed so I couldn't directly compare detail and picture quality, but subjectively I would say the W3000 was just as sharp as the XBR2, but with better contrast.

However, at one point ESPN HD was playing a football game and the W3000 set had some serious pixelization, motion blur, etc. Hitting the "display" button on the TV brought up a dialog box that said the picture was "1080i, 16:9, cable", so I woudn't have expected it to be that bad. I'm sure there was an issue with their feed or the TV settings somehow, but the picture was pretty horrible. I messed breifly with the settings, but couldn't get a better picture.

Any feedback from an owner on how the W3000 handles a SD picture would be nice.
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Vox,

SD looks just as good on the W as my XBR. Not much noise in the picture at all.

The black level is better on the W but how much I don't know. It isn't a night and day difference.

The W is pretty clear but I dont think the color saturation is a s good as the XBR. There must be a way to get that better.

Another thing is the blacks and the shadow detail are best on Vivid but that iss way too bright. I can't duplicate the blacks and shadow detail on other modes.
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Be sure to check out the Sony cloud thread....looks like we have a first report of a W3000 with clouds.
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The new V and W series can now accept 1080p24 native signals but they are still using the 3:2 pulldown as the signal is converted to 1080p60. Not sure how the new XBR4/5 handles 1080p24 native signal with the MotionFlow 120 Hz.

We will know more about it when Cnet reviews the new XBR's later this year whether MotionFlow gives us smooth 1080p24 without processing or judder or is it only useful to reduce motion blur.

Thank you Quyen, im well aware about it. Anyway it would be interesting to compare the degree of judder on XBR and W3000 with 24p True Cinema mode ON and OFF. Im also curios how PIP is implemented in W not sure if it has any.
I could not find any info on sizes of a box for 40W3000, pease anybody advise.
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CHRISGEOFROMGREECE, please update the original post with the correct specs for the TV. You incorrectly stated that is supports 120HZ. The W series does not have this feature and this will create confusion in this thread.

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CR is also wrong(borrowed from XBR). Power consumption on Sony Style for 40W3000 is 290W, but I've seen 220W as well. 40' sizes are interlaced with 52" Please clean up the mess.
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