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I've tried to set up my 52xbr4 using a colorimeter. This is not a professional job and I'm fairly new at it too. This is the settings I came up with:

The following is done mostly by eye:

Backlight 5
Picuture 68
Brightness 53
Color 56
Hue 0
Sharpeness 30

These are set up using the colorimeter:

Color Temp: Warm 1
R-Gain 0
G-Gain -5
B-Gain -9
R-Bias -3
G-Bias 0
B-Bias -3

The problem is - it looks a bit too red to me. The reds are ok, green looks pretty nice too but blue/yellow don't appear right.

It may be because I'm used to watching it at higher color temp (I've used to use Normal temp). I've also read that some of the latest Bravias show too much blue for some reason and if you adjust it for 6500, you come out closer to 5500 - 5900. Not sure why.

I'd appreciate if someone could try these setting and give me some comments. I understand each set is different but I'm not sure how else I can get some kind of an opinion short of a professional calibration.

I also don't understand why so many people start with Warm 2. Yes, you can bring it to the proper range with WB adjustments but out of the box, Warm 2 is way too red. What's the rationale here?
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The rationale is that it's the closest of all the color modes to the 6500 standard. My set doesn't look too red at all, it's just right. Normally it takes your eyes a couple of days to adjust to a properly calibrated dsiplay.

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The rationale is that it's the closest of all the color modes to the 6500 standard. My set doesn't look too red at all, it's just right. Normally it takes your eyes a couple of days to adjust to a properly calibrated dsiplay.

I've been running with your cal. settings since you posted them, and I really like it! I've tried many over the past 2 months, but your settings are the only ones that give me what I always thought an LCD of this caliber should give.

Thanks for sharing!
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Try Lrstevens421 calibrated settings and give them at least 6 hours of viewing diffrent material. I did and never went back, and my color detection has greatly improved in real life !!

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I've been running with your cal. settings since you posted them, and I really like it! I've tried many over the past 2 months, but your settings are the only ones that give me what I always thought an LCD of this caliber should give.

Thanks for sharing!

No prob, I'm glad you like them . I must say that I am happy to no longer have to tweak user settings and just enjoy this outstanding display.

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No prob, I'm glad you like them . I must say that I am happy to no longer have to tweak user settings and just enjoy this outstanding display.

Amen to that. Do you game or watch BD material?? There have been a few folks reporting smearing/blur and wondered if you've gamed on your set or watched much BD since locking in your settings?
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Amen to that. Do you game or watch BD material?? There have been a few folks reporting smearing/blur and wondered if you've gamed on your set or watched much BD since locking in your settings?

I avidly watch Blu-ray and HD-DVD's, I also play my Xbox360 when my wife isn't looking . I'm not as much of a gamer as I should be.

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Just for reference I have watched about 20 Blu-rays and HD-DVD's since I had my display calibrated, I have no blurring or smearing of any sort.

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Just for reference I have watched about 20 Blu-rays and HD-DVD's since I had my display calibrated, I have no blurring or smearing of any sort.

What about with NBC prime time shows?

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What about with NBC prime time shows?

Sure, I watch NBC programming as well (L&O SVU, Hereos, Football & Leno). All with no blurr.

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Thanks, Ill try that.
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I like these settings but have a slight softness that I want to get rid of. It almost looks like it is just ever so slightly out of focus at times (even with still shots). It may be DirecTV. I'm going to mess with the ME and Cinemotion tonight. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks.

Here is what I use for HD and DVD:

Backlight: 5
Picture: 85
Brightness: 52
Color: 55
Hue: 0
Color Temperature: Neutral
Sharpness: 60
Noise Reduction: off
MPEG Noise Reduction: off
DRC Mode: off
Black Corrector: off
Advanced C.E.: off
Gama: off
Clear White: off
Color Space: standard
Live Color: Low
White Balance
R-Gain: 0
G-Gain: 0
B-Gain: 0
R-Bias: 0
G-Bias: 0
B-Bias: 0
Detail Enhancer: off
Edge Enhancer: off
MotionEnhancer: Standard
Cinemotion: Auto1 (I'm thinking of turning it off)

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The rationale is that it's the closest of all the color modes to the 6500 standard. My set doesn't look too red at all, it's just right. Normally it takes your eyes a couple of days to adjust to a properly calibrated dsiplay.

I was hoping I just needed to get used to it but I've had it set like that since Fri and it still seems too red. Unfortunately, I don't have any reference sets to compare it to. The only thing I have is apple cinema monitor calibrated with the same colorimeter and that one doesn't appear too red to me but then again, it's a totally different material.

One question though - in your settings you show Hue as "50". I believe the hue on my set goes something like Rxx - 0 - Bxx. So what would 50 be? Maybe we have different firmware?
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I was hoping I just needed to get used to it but I've had it set like that since Fri and it still seems too red. Unfortunately, I don't have any reference sets to compare it to. The only thing I have is apple cinema monitor calibrated with the same colorimeter and that one doesn't appear too red to me but then again, it's a totally different material.

One question though - in your settings you show Hue as "50". I believe the hue on my set goes something like Rxx - 0 - Bxx. So what would 50 be? Maybe we have different firmware?

Hue should be "0" at the halfway point, it was corrected in the spreadsheet.

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Amen to that. Do you game or watch BD material?? There have been a few folks reporting smearing/blur and wondered if you've gamed on your set or watched much BD since locking in your settings?

I have had my XBR4 for 3 months now and for the last 1-2 weeks my picture has started to smear (if thats the right word). I have been noticing this with different sources (HD cable and blu-ray material). I use the panny BD30 as my blu-ray player and everyone is talking about the great PQ but I am far from happy. I think my XBR4 is to be blamed. For the 1st 3 months I could not have been happier but now I am having the feeling that the XBR4 is causing trouble.

Any one else having the same problems?
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For those of you who do game are you using game mode?
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I have had my XBR4 for 3 months now and for the last 1-2 weeks my picture has started to smear (if thats the right word). I have been noticing this with different sources (HD cable and blu-ray material). I use the panny BD30 as my blu-ray player and everyone is talking about the great PQ but I am far from happy. I think my XBR4 is to be blamed. For the 1st 3 months I could not have been happier but now I am having the feeling that the XBR4 is causing trouble.

Any one else having the same problems?

Low lit scenes I have noticed it. The more light in a scene, the better. It's funny. I watch fast motion football and basketball in HD all the time on this set and I never see even the slightest problem...perfect. Then, in a movie with little to NO motion, I see trails and bluring sometimes....
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Low lit scenes I have noticed it. The more light in a scene, the better. It's funny. I watch fast motion football and basketball in HD all the time on this set and I never see even the slightest problem...perfect. Then, in a movie with little to NO motion, I see trails and bluring sometimes....

Same here, not too sure it isn't the source causing the problem though.

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Low lit scenes I have noticed it. The more light in a scene, the better. It's funny. I watch fast motion football and basketball in HD all the time on this set and I never see even the slightest problem...perfect. Then, in a movie with little to NO motion, I see trails and bluring sometimes....

Is it really the TV or is it the source? Maybe the best way to tell is to have a CRT next to the LCD so compare. Personally, I think there are lots of source issues that the tv gets blamed for. I remember seeing blurring on my old 34 inch Sony CRT as well and never worried about it.
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I think it is probably the source.

lrstevens421, I have been using your settings and have been loving it. Thanks!!!!!!!
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For those of you who do game are you using game mode?

I do for my xbox360 and HTPC but don't for ps3 cause i watch blu rays on it. turning on game mode disables motionflow so you can't really do it for things you could be watching video on also.

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Its is the TV no doubt. I have Dish Network HD and use the panny BD30 for blu-ray.
When watching Larry King Live yesterday the black background had a lot of aberration. This is more noticeable when watching it from the sides.
I then checked a blu-ray source. Put in Saw 3 and the first 5 minutes or so one can see a lot of artifacts. It looks horrible. I know artifacts are common in dark scenes with LCD tvs but I always thought the XBR4 was perfect and I had bought a winner. Always have been recommending it to my friends untill recently. Can't anymore.

My tube TV never has this problem. I guess its an LCD issue more than an XBR4 issue.

For those who don't believe me watch CNN larry king live tonight and notice the black background. The aberration is more visible from the sides.
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I think it is probably the source.

lrstevens421, I have been using your settings and have been loving it. Thanks!!!!!!!

I don't believe it's the source (happens on both the Comcast box, and from PS3 BD, each going to the TV with their own HDMI cable). I've been talking about this issue for quite some time now (mentioned on the owners thread about 3-4 weeks ago). Increasing the backlight helps a bit, but I still notice it. Someone mentioned that reducing the sharpness to about 15 might help as well, but I haven't tried that yet...
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Same here, not too sure it isn't the source causing the problem though.

Agreed, but what do you think the problem is when folks watching BD or HD DVD see this? Santa's binging me a PS3 so I'll be able to see for myself, but do you think that BDs can be encoded with blur or artifacts? I really don't know that much about it.
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Is it really the TV or is it the source? Maybe the best way to tell is to have a CRT next to the LCD so compare. Personally, I think there are lots of source issues that the tv gets blamed for. I remember seeing blurring on my old 34 inch Sony CRT as well and never worried about it.

I know for a fact that sometimes the problem is in the source. And to boot, there's a lot of signal processing going on too (STB, TV, etc.).

It's just when I hear people having problems when watching BD 1080p that I wonder.
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For those of you who do game are you using game mode?

No, I don't use game mode for any system (Wii, 360, or PS3). I went through and tried various games out with the mode enabled and disabled and I didn't notice a huge difference in anything. So, I just leave everything on.
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Agreed, but what do you think the problem is when folks watching BD or HD DVD see this? Santa's binging me a PS3 so I'll be able to see for myself, but do you think that BDs can be encoded with blur or artifacts? I really don't know that much about it.

I think it has to do with one of the many conversion processes that take place with certain content. I have yet to see any issues from video games,blu ray or HTPC. One of the best ways to test is with ps3 and ninja gaiden it's a true 1080p game and on my sammy 5281 is had a very noticable ghost trail with any big combo sword (note:there is a natrual trail in the game but having played it on my old RPCRT beast and then the sammy 81 and now the xbr4 I can confidently say the xbr4 looks much more close to the natural image of the crt.)

I haven't tried any divx/xvid or other codecs through the htpc to try and isolate what is actually causing the "low motion blur" but i have a lot of time off coming up and might try it then.

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Its is the TV no doubt. I have Dish Network HD and use the panny BD30 for blu-ray.
When watching Larry King Live yesterday the black background had a lot of aberration. This is more noticeable when watching it from the sides.
I then checked a blu-ray source. Put in Saw 3 and the first 5 minutes or so one can see a lot of artifacts. It looks horrible. I know artifacts are common in dark scenes with LCD tvs but I always thought the XBR4 was perfect and I had bought a winner. Always have been recommending it to my friends untill recently. Can't anymore.

My tube TV never has this problem. I guess its an LCD issue more than an XBR4 issue.

For those who don't believe me watch CNN larry king live tonight and notice the black background. The aberration is more visible from the sides.

I completely agree! I posted the EXACT same issues in the owners thread! It is extremely noticable! I first saw it with Dave Mathews Blu Ray, Disturbia as well as other Blu Ray discs. I thought at first it was the PS3. NOPE. I also see it watching cable and with Motor Storm. So, IT'S DEFINITELY THE TV! I'm getting a new TV on Friday, but I honestly think it's not going to help. To me this is unexceptable! I have also noticed it on different TV's at several electronics store...

(It is DEFINITELY more noticable when there is a black backround, but I am now seeing it constantly!) I use to have a XBR2 RPTV, and I never once saw it. I have a Sammy in the bedroom and I have NO ISSUES.

So do all XBR4/5's do this? Are we suppose to just accept it? I'm so confused and I LOVE MY TV...

Another thing that scares me is I am getting a lot of PM messages from people who are noticing it as well. WHy all of a sudden is this happening? The TV gets amazing reviews that I'm shocked not one review talks about this issue.

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I thought I noticed a bit of smearing (especially visible in faces). Turned off noise reduction, which I had set to low, and the smearing disappeared.
I think it's the lousy broadcasts. Some SD channels can be decent, others are lousy. HD channels also vary. Sometimes HBO, Showtime, etc. are excellent, other times just ok (but still much better than SD).
One HD channel that's lousy here is CBS. Lots of artifacting.
Both ESPN's are always excellent.
HD-DVD's and SD-DVD's are terrific, depending on the quality of the disc (XA-2).
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On the topic of smearing (or motion blur, whatever you want to call it)... I noticed it most recently while watching Casino Royale (BD from my PS3). The scene is one where Bond comes up to his hotel room after playing cards, an notices a broken glass on the table and goes to the shower to see the girl sitting on the floor (I think it's the beginning of a chapter). When he notices the glass on the table, and heads to the shower, I can see significant trailing/smearing/blur behind his head as he starts walking faster... Can anyone else reproduce these results?
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