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post #91 of 5495 Old 09-06-2007, 07:44 PM
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Backlight: 3
Picture: 76
Brightness: 49
Color: 52
Hue: 0
Color Temperature: Neutral
Sharpness: 30
Noise Reduction: off
Black Corrector: Low
Advanced C.E.: off
Gama: off
Clear White: off
Color Space: Standard
Live Color: off
White Balance
R-Gain: -2
G-Gain: -3
B-Gain: 0
R-Bias: -2
G-Bias: -1
B-Bias: 0
Detail Enhancer: Low
Edge Enhancer: Low
Motionflow: Standard
Cinemotion: Auto2

I'm trying your settings...they look good.

What DRC Mode are you using?

I changed the following: (very minor)

Live Color: low
Edge Enhancer: off

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I just added all my current settings for my different devices.

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I'm trying your settings...they look good.

What DRC Mode are you using?

I changed the following: (very minor)

Live Color: low
Edge Enhancer: off

DRC off

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I'm trying your settings...they look good.

What DRC Mode are you using?

I changed the following: (very minor)

Live Color: low
Edge Enhancer: off

What don't you like about the edge enhancer?

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What don't you like about the edge enhancer?

Now I'm not sure...when I tested it, I saw make the stripes on the players pants seem funny. Now it's not doing it. Maybe it was in combination with another setting. Or maybe it was my DRC mode...I just turned it off. This DRC mode puzzles me.

I'll try it your way for the 3rd quarter, but with Live Color = low.
I think Live Color adds a little more pop.

Thanks for posting your settings.

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No problem, I flipped on live color to low as well and it looks good and not oversaturated.

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No problem, I flipped on live color to low as well and it looks good and not oversaturated.

I think DRC Mode 1 adds a little more 3D look...
Wow. I think it takes a while to understand the many options.

The DRC modes add/subtracts edge enhancement effects as well...and the Sony manual is vague.

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I think DRC Mode 1 adds a little more 3D look...
Wow. I think it takes a while to understand the many options.

The DRC modes add/subtracts edge enhancement effects as well...and the Sony manual is vague.

And it also doesn't display a full 1080P

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Here is a good setting, but I need to see how it holds up, and what changes it needs. XA2 directly into the XBR4 via HDMI 1.3 cable. Calibrated using LOTR Fellowship, as it's a tough calibration.

CUSTOM
Backlight: 4
Picture: 68
Brightness: 53
Color: 51
Hue: 0
Temp: Neutral
Sharpness: 55
Noise Reduc: Low
Black Corrector: Off
Advanced CE: Medium
Gamma: Low
Clear White: Off
Color Space: Standard
Live Color: Off
WHITE BALANCE:

Red Gain: -3
Green Gain: -5
Blue Gain: 0
Red Bias: -2
Green Bias: -1
Blue Bias: 0

Detail Enhancer: Low
Edge Enhancer: High

Motion Enhancer: Standard

Someone Else give these a whirl, and post your level of happiness. Thanks
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Ya kept the same settings as slumpey but change the neutral to cool. Because to my eyes the picture had a red push me imo. and I have the color space to wide because it's looks better to me then standard. It doesn't matter how I just adjust it i like the wide instead of standard. And I luv this tv a lot I have a 46xbr4.
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Well, I tested the Motionflow/Cinemotion settings with Taladega Nights Bluray last night - here are my observations:

Just like the X2 barb-wire scene, the 2nd to last scene in the movie where Ricky Bobby and the french guy are running to the finish and jump, land on the ground, and the camera pans from frenchie's hand to Ricky's hand, there is obvious judder around the fingers of their gloves unless you turn on Motionflow = high (Cinemotion has no effect).

The major problem I have with Motionflow though is that it creates this really distracting rubberband-like pan and scan effect during most of the rest of the movie... I guess I need to compromise and just live with the judder during a few scenes to get really sharp action during the rest of the movie. The rest of the movie looks much better with Motionflow off I would say.

I'm going to do further testing with regular DVD's, but I think my compromise is what Sony also decided becuase this is what their "Theater Mode" does - turns off Motionflow.

Others? I have to say that I would like to see how Plasma's deal with this, is it inherent to LCDs?
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http://www.advanced-pdp.jp/english/pdp/point/07.html

SEE LINK above with a few side-by-side pics of motion tests.

Plasma has between 700 to 900 lines of resolution during a scene of fast moving images; the best LCDs have done (only recently) is about 600 lines [Sharp Aquos D92, also the new Sony XBR4/5 models]. The forthcoming JVC 898 series of LCDs (with a 2nd generation 120hz processing, using a 32-bit chip too) should also rate highly.

The phospher pixels in a plasma panel change faster than the crystal pixels of a liquid crystal display [short summary]. The LCD is also hindered due to how long the LCD frames remain static - which are longer than plasma's phosphers [measured in milliseconds].

Maybe someone else here can explain it better :-))
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So far with my 52XBR4 I just went to Custom, bumped the color up to 55, put the sharpness to 50, DRC off, I set everything else in advanced settings to low except MPEG noise reduction & clear white are both off, color space is set to wide. Motion flow is off, except for sports, Cinemotion is off, color temp is either neutral or warm1 depending on my mood. This seems to be a good jack of all trades settings for my SA 8300HD via HDMI. Hopefully I'll be able to fine tune it more as time goes on but for now I'm very happy with it. When I have more time I'll list all the settings but that pretty much sums it up.

Edit - this is no longer accurate, I posted my current settings later on in this thread.

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Short story, I just upgraded from a 27" Zeinth to a 46" Sony XBR4 and upgraded from basic comcast to the comcast HD and am a little overwhelmed. I hooked up a PS3 via hdmi and used gordong11's settings and things look great watching Casino Royale. I had to use the comcast component cables because for some reason an hdmi cable wouldn't display a signal. Anyways I used the same custom settings for the cable box and things look good on the HD channels but the regular stations don't look so great. Looks like when you were in high school chemistry class looking through a microscope seeing all the little squiggly things. Is this normal and do I just need to learn to live with it? I appreciate any advise...thanks.
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http://www.advanced-pdp.jp/english/pdp/point/07.html

SEE LINK above with a few side-by-side pics of motion tests.


Any possibility you can illustrate this with actual video content, as appose to test patterns? I learned a long time ago that what you can measure in a laboratory environment and what you can actually see and hear are often very different.

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Short story, I just upgraded from a 27" Zeinth to a 46" Sony XBR4 and upgraded from basic comcast to the comcast HD and am a little overwhelmed. I hooked up a PS3 via hdmi and used gordong11's settings and things look great watching Casino Royale. I had to use the comcast component cables because for some reason an hdmi cable wouldn't display a signal. Anyways I used the same custom settings for the cable box and things look good on the HD channels but the regular stations don't look so great. Looks like when you were in high school chemistry class looking through a microscope seeing all the little squiggly things. Is this normal and do I just need to learn to live with it? I appreciate any advise...thanks.

I have the same problem too. This is what someone advised:

Originally Posted by Mod-Mod-World
I have the 46" as well, and at first, my SD PQ looked yucky too. I can only assume that you have changed to Picture Mode to Custom (or at the very least, out of Vivid). Try some of the settings others have posted, I have found them to be really helpful to start. The thing that helped me the most was to turn off DRC, and turn on Noise Reduction (I have it at low) for the input of your cable.
Try doing that and see what happens, I'm sure others will have more ideas, but those two settings cleared up my ugly, noisy SD channels quite a bit (from the out-of-box settings). I'd like to point out that my cable line is pretty good: all new lines from the pole, etc... I think the source input is very important as to how good you can expect it to look.

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SD CHANNEL GREEN TINT ISSUE

KDL-**XBR4 calibration hint when using a Charter MOXI DVR by Motorola Digeo , BMC9012

MOXI Software Version: 4.194LR-P160450

When this DVR's video is connected to the XBR4 with a DVI <--> HDMI Cable the Standard Definition SD TV Channels were blurred and tinted green vs. HD TV Channels

The fix for this SD CHANNEL GREEN TINT ISSUE was to go into the MOXI HDTV Setup Settings Menu and UNCHECK the 480i option. Selecting any or all of the other formats (480p, 720i, 1080i) does not change the color of SD TV channels.

References:
BidsWanted post at: http://forums.moxi.com/topic.asp?TOP...rms=green,480i

Moxi info last updated June 15 2006 at:
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Thanks bullet94, yes I changed the settings like you talked about. Here are my settings.

Custom
backlight: 3
picture: 90
brightness: 45
color: 60
Hue: 0
Color Temp: Cool
sharpness: 64
Noise Reduction: low
mpeg noise reduction: off
DRC Mode: off
black corrector: off
advanced ce: low
gamma: low
clear white: off
color space: standard
live color: low
detail enhancer: low
edge enhancer: high

white balance:
r-gain: -3
g-gain: -4
b-gain: -2
r-bias: +3
g-bias: -2
b-bias: +4

motion enhancer: standard
cinemotion: auto1
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The fix for this SD CHANNEL GREEN TINT ISSUE was to go into the MOXI HDTV Setup Settings Menu and UNCHECK the 480i option. Selecting any or all of the other formats (480p, 720i, 1080i) does not change the color of SD TV channels.

Isn't it better to let the TV upconvert 480i, then to have the STB do it?

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Does anyone here know exactly what cinemotion does, what the difference between AUTO 1 & 2 are, and what formats it applies to? (IIRC with my XBR2 cinemotion ONLY effected 480i signals.)

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SD CHANNEL GREEN TINT ISSUE

KDL-**XBR4 calibration hint when using a Charter MOXI DVR by Motorola Digeo , BMC9012

MOXI Software Version: 4.194LR-P160450

When this DVR's video is connected to the XBR4 with a DVI <--> HDMI Cable the Standard Definition SD TV Channels were blurred and tinted green vs. HD TV Channels

The fix for this SD CHANNEL GREEN TINT ISSUE was to go into the MOXI HDTV Setup Settings Menu and UNCHECK the 480i option. Selecting any or all of the other formats (480p, 720i, 1080i) does not change the color of SD TV channels.

References:
BidsWanted post at: http://forums.moxi.com/topic.asp?TOP...rms=green,480i

Moxi info last updated June 15 2006 at:
http://splmoxifaq.googlepages.com/FAQ.htm

My TV 40XB4 is showing a green tint throughout all channels. Not just the SD. Color is not one of the strengths on this TV.
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Isn't it better to let the TV upconvert 480i, then to have the STB do it?

That's absolutely correct EADGBE.

By UNCHECKING the 480i MOXI HD Setup Option I believe the XBR4 TV will then upconvert those SD TV Channels.

CHECKING the formats in the MOXI HD Setup Menu results in the MOXI DVR upconverting those formats to 1080i.
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What is the best method to calibrate the LCD. Recently I was looking at a video from DV camera and was dissappointed with the picture on this Sony XBR3. My first impression was it was too contrasty and not enough gray scale. I next viewed the tape on an old Sony CRT set and the picture looked great. Is there a good or recommended method to set up the LCD. How about test DVDs.
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Color is not one of the strengths on this TV.

???
Then why did you buy one? I don't see the point of buying a tv which produces colors you are not pleased with. That's like buying a 3-legged horse to pull your wagon.

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Any possibility you can illustrate this with actual video content, as appose to test patterns? I learned a long time ago that what you can measure in a laboratory environment and what you can actually see and hear are often very different.



Well, sorry I can't provide an online demo source.

But if you can view in person a calibrated plasma set beside a calibrated LCD set, you should be able to "see" the superiority of plasma, especially on moving images.

Foy myself, I actually prefer the matte glass finish of LCD, as when viewing images on a plasma's glossy glass - (and now included with some of Samsung's newer LCDs, the 65, 71 & 81 series) - makes me a little dizzy and fatigued. Depends on each person's eyes and sensitivity.
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Here are my settings. They might be too "natural" for some. I like the feeling off looking out a window and don't like my colors oversaturated.

8300HD via HDMI
Backlight: 3
Picture: 76
Brightness: 49
Color: 52
Hue: 0
Color Temperature: Neutral
Sharpness: 30
Noise Reduction: off
MPEG Noise Reduction: off
DRC Mode: Off
Black Corrector: Low
Advanced C.E.: off
Gama: off
Clear White: off
Color Space: Standard
Live Color: Low
White Balance
R-Gain: -2
G-Gain: -3
B-Gain: 0
R-Bias: -1
G-Bias: -2
B-Bias: 0
Detail Enhancer: Low
Edge Enhancer: Low
Motionflow: Standard
Cinemotion: Auto2

PS3 via HDMI
Backlight: 2
Picture: 76
Brightness: 50
Color: 52
Hue: 0
Color Temperature: Neutral
Sharpness: 30
Noise Reduction: off
MPEG Noise Reduction: off
DRC Mode: Off
Black Corrector: off
Advanced C.E.: off
Gama: off
Clear White: off
Color Space: Standard
Live Color: off
White Balance
R-Gain: 0
G-Gain: 0
B-Gain: 0
R-Bias: 0
G-Bias: 0
B-Bias: 0
Detail Enhancer: Low
Edge Enhancer: Low
Motionflow: Standard
Cinemotion: Auto2

Xbox360 via HDMI
Backlight: 3
Picture: 76
Brightness: 50
Color: 55
Hue: 0
Color Temperature: Neutral
Sharpness: 30
Noise Reduction: off
MPEG Noise Reduction: off
DRC Mode: Off
Black Corrector: Low
Advanced C.E.: off
Gama: off
Clear White: off
Color Space: Standard
Live Color: off
White Balance
R-Gain: -2
G-Gain: -3
B-Gain: 0
R-Bias: -1
G-Bias: -2
B-Bias: 0
Detail Enhancer: Low
Edge Enhancer: Low
Motionflow: Standard
Cinemotion: Auto2

Wii via Component
Backlight: 3
Picture: 76
Brightness: 49
Color: 54
Hue: 0
Color Temperature: Neutral
Sharpness: 30
Noise Reduction: off
MPEG Noise Reduction: off
DRC Mode: Off
Black Corrector: Low
Advanced C.E.: off
Gama: off
Clear White: off
Color Space: Standard
Live Color: off
White Balance
R-Gain: 0
G-Gain: 0
B-Gain: 0
R-Bias: 0
G-Bias: 0
B-Bias: 0
Detail Enhancer: Low
Edge Enhancer: Low
Motionflow: Standard
Cinemotion: Auto2

Wow great stuff here, thanks!

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Hello everyone newbie here,

I just got my XBR4 40'', and I love it! Anyways...


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According to a review of this new Sony at the hdguru website, unless you view in the Custom or Cinema modes, you will lost about HALF THE RESOLUTION! So you should never view with the Vivid mode.

http://hdguru.com/?p=131

Here's a few paragraphs from that review...

I quickly discovered that this Sony does not properly deinterlace 1080i in the factory default Vivid picture setting. In fact, it also drops 50% resolution in the Standard picture mode as well. However, the set does properly deinterlace the 1080i signal and does deliver all frames, and thus does display the full vertical resolution, in either Custom or Cinema picture mode!

Why did Sony choose to make the default mode one that fails to properly deinterlace incoming 1080i signals? I haven't the faintest idea, especially since, according to a number of set makers, the majority of HDTV buyers leave the user settings in the factory default!

If you pick up just one tip from this website, it should be to change your HDTV out of its showroom default setting (which may be called Dynamic or some other variation) as soon as it is unpacked and connected. The preferred picture setting on most brands will be called Cinema, or Custom, or Pro, or some variation of those. Check your owner's manual for the choices.

When you select whatever the advanced setting is called, it will always deliver a better image under home lighting conditions than the factory default setting, which is intended only for brightly (over)lit dealer showrooms.

But when I have it on vivid for HDTV Over-The-Air signal and also on vivid for my XBOX with HD HDMI hook up it looks so much better than any of the other settings like Custom, Standard, or Cinema...

It looks bright, full of color and very HD quality, a huge difference between those other settings. Can I just tweak the vivid settings so I could get more out of it? I just don't see it getting better than it is now.

I'm watching Football on CBS 2.1 channel and it looks awesome on the vivid setting. What setting can I change to make it look better/get more out of the HD experience?

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What's the benefit of leaving the Sharpness at 30 again? I usually set mine to 50 - 60 and that seems to, um...sharpen up the picture a bit.

Edit - I was watching NFL HD tonight and setting the sharpness to 30 seemed to make the picture look sharper, I'm confused now. Sometines I thought DRC Mode 1 looked better, and sometimes I thought it looked better off.

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Just got my tv delivered a few hrs ago but had to go out. Now I came back and connected my cable (SD) and it's pretty nasty stuff. I'll try messing around with settings but I was wondering if any of the settings done here were for SD or all for HD telecast? I'll be switching over but it'll take a few days to get my cable box and right now I don't feel like even watching my SD channels on this set, I'd rather reconnect my CRT!
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Just a friendly reminder, but the XBR does not display 1080 unless it is in cinema or custom setting. I switched it over this morning and I have not moved from infront of the TV. Also I have cinemotion to auto 2 and motionflow to high for everything. Been watching SD and HD programmiing and it looks great. I am using HD20 with Direct TV.
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Then why did you buy one? I don't see the point of buying a tv which produces colors you are not pleased with. That's like buying a 3-legged horse to pull your wagon.

Im returning it..silly me to think a 3000.00 + tv would have bad color. Maybe my XBR4fetctive but when I see people's calibration postings that show a -14 on the green scale someone else must be experiencing the same thing.
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