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while playing on standard mode, I thought I was seeing artifacts moving in the grass/ground right at the start of the demo, before the rope sequence

I'll look at that again tonight. Nothing was jumping out at me.

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Just got delivery of my 52XBR4. Simple Spectacular !! So far have not seen any clouding but then again the only source I have is Comcast Cable and my eyes ain't what they used to be.

Have no way of downloading pics to my laptop right now but will post later when I can.

Not sure how I can take good pictures, flash keeps firing. If I turn flash off, pics are not as sharp.

I don't know if you've watched your TV at night with the lights off but that's when you'll most likely see clouding. It is very faint with the lights on and not an issue. Only when I want to play a game or watch a movie in the dark.

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I don't know if you've watched your TV at night with the lights off but that's when you'll most likely see clouding. It is very faint with the lights on and not an issue. Only when I want to play a game or watch a movie in the dark.

May not get a chance to watch in the dark for another 2 weeks since we're not living here in the house yet but I'll check that. By then I'll have my HTPC completed and can check with some BD and HD DVD content as well.
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i was wondering the same thing, are my eyes just getting used to them, but I am convinced that after the set has been on for about 45 minutes the mura is less, very bizzare, and yes i agree i have always been tring to increase black levels to reduce mura but just the opposite seems true if you kick up the brightness level the rest of the screen kind of blends in with the clouds and they are not as obvious but of course now when you get to a dark scene, "it isn't"

PS - on my 2 previous XBR2's the mura stayed constant no matter how long
set was on.

You're exactly right with the black level making it stand out. My Tosh 46LX177 probably has the same amount of mura as my 46XBR4. Since the blacks aren't as deep it blends easier and isn't an issue unless I stare a blank screen in the dark and let me eyes adjust to the light.

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Just got delivery of my 52XBR4. Simple Spectacular !! So far have not seen any clouding but then again the only source I have is Comcast Cable and my eyes ain't what they used to be.

Have no way of downloading pics to my laptop right now but will post later when I can.

Not sure how I can take good pictures, flash keeps firing. If I turn flash off, pics are not as sharp.

Where did you order from?

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You're exactly right with the black level making it stand out. My Tosh 46LX177 probably has the same amount of mura as my 46XBR4. Since the blacks aren't as deep it blends easier and isn't an issue unless I stare a blank screen in the dark and let me eyes adjust to the light.


Thanks a lot for that bit of information. That gives a bit more context to the situation.

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Where did you order from?

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Can anyone point out exactly where they are seeing clouds in poiv3's pic in post #81? I can't see them at all but I think that's due to the crappy monitor I have here at work.

According to tracking, my 52xbr4 is sitting in Toledo, OH as of just before midnight on 8/19/07. Ir shipped out of Sony in CA on 8/18 (the day after I ordered). I should be getting a call confirming delivery any day now(fingers crossed). I'll definitely post some pics within 24 hours of receiving the set.
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I got a question i payed around 32xx for my xbr3 46inch a little bit ago and i do have clouding issues that can be noticed sometimes, im an advid gamer and dont rely notice it while playing games on the ps3,

You can for sure notice it on a blank input,
I have a 2 year warrenty with pc-richard that i payed 400$ for.
Now my question is should i call pc richard up and tell them about my clouding issue and have them come look at it, then when they see the problem and want to xchange my tv, inreturn get the xbr5? 46inch.

Theyd match the price i payed for it so id have to add somemoney, Do you guys think id have any problem doing this?
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Can someone please give a define "clouding" as I have no idea what it is?

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Just got delivery of my 52XBR4. Simple Spectacular !! So far have not seen any clouding but then again the only source I have is Comcast Cable and my eyes ain't what they used to be.

Have no way of downloading pics to my laptop right now but will post later when I can.

Not sure how I can take good pictures, flash keeps firing. If I turn flash off, pics are not as sharp.


Bring the TV to me, I will take the pictures for you.
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Can someone please give a define "clouding" as I have no idea what it is?

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Clouding is light spots that can be seen on a dark screen when the tv is on (usually in the corners). Can be less or more obvious.

Here is an obvious example

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Poiv3, how would you rate the black levels of your XBR4 when watching it at night?

Can you compare it to any other TV you have/had/saw in a comparable environment?

Are the blacks deep enough for you?
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As W3000 owner I'd be interested to compare SW/FW versions. Could XBR 4/5 owners please post this info.
FYI My W3000 has Software version from the Menu: K-BMN-A-H-C-D-L-A-M.
W3000 service info - see attached picture (Access to SM: Display > 5 > Vol+ > ON )

Should anyone have a computer with DVI port would you please, connect your XBR4 to the computer via DVI-HDMI cable, collect real time info and post MonInfo (Monitor Asset Manager) report! This will provide us with EDID dump!

http://entechtaiwan.net/util/moninfo.shtm

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Well, seeing they're 16:9, my math would lead me to believe that a 40" would be:
34.86" x 19.61"

46":
40.09" x 22.55"

That's assuming I did it correct though

Thanks for the numbers!
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Poiv3, how would you rate the black levels of your XBR4 when watching it at night?

Can you compare it to any other TV you have/had/saw in a comparable environment?

Are the blacks deep enough for you?

Well, for sure I am not a big expert. And besides XBR4 I only have had/have one lcd. It's another Sony (40S3000).

About XBR4: it's not perfect but very good. I would give 8 out of 10 for the blacks.

Mine has clouds and that is kind of disappointing but I am not the kind of guy who will exchange the set because of it (maybe mainly b.c. my clouds are not too obvious).

I was watching a bd movie in a completely dark room and was not disappointed with either blacks or anything else.
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I'm still wondering what everyone's thoughts are on MotionFlow - is it worth it? In what situations should you turn it off (I've already heard it should be disabled for movies)? What about gaming?

I really want to get one of these TVs, but there's so little information about them out there that I can't find answers to any of these questions! If someone could help, it would be greatly appreciated!
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As W3000 owner I'd be interested to compare SW/FW versions. Could XBR 4/5 owners please post this info.
FYI My W3000 has Software version from the Menu: K-BMN-A-H-C-D-L-A-M.
W3000 service info - see attached picture (Access to SM: Display > 5 > Vol+ > ON )

Should anyone have a computer with DVI port would you please, connect your XBR4 to the computer via DVI-HDMI cable, collect real time info and post MonInfo (Monitor Asset Manager) report! This will provide us with EDID dump!

http://entechtaiwan.net/util/moninfo.shtm

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Well, my 40XBR4 departed Charlotte, N.C. early this morning. I'm in the Charleston, S.C. area and the local office of the delivery company that Sony uses is in North Charleston. I should have it tomorrow or Thursday.
I'll post my impressions as soon as I can.

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I don't know if you've watched your TV at night with the lights off but that's when you'll most likely see clouding. It is very faint with the lights on and not an issue. Only when I want to play a game or watch a movie in the dark.

This isn't fair at all.

You are assuming his set will suffer from clouding.

Now we know, based upon the entirely unscientific poll here, that there are very few cases of clouding in the last generation 52" panels.

That problem was largely limited to 46" panels.

It seems as if everyone here WANTS there to be clouds, every thread relating to Sony televisions turns into a discussion of whether or not there are clouds.

What about the W3000, are there clouds in that set as well? If you look hard enough you will see them I'm sure.

And the pictures posted thus far don't compare at all to those found the uneven backlight / cloudiness thread.

You guys are really beginning to split hairs here, and I am convinced that some people will complain about "clouding" no matter what, even if it is barely visual 99% of the time...

If you are already complaining about clouds, why not keep that discussion in the thread devoted exclusively to it?
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This isn't fair at all.

You are assuming his set will suffer from clouding.

Now we know, based upon the entirely unscientific poll here, that there are very few cases of clouding in the last generation 52" panels.

That problem was largely limited to 46" panels.

It seems as if everyone here WANTS there to be clouds, every thread relating to Sony televisions turns into a discussion of whether or not there are clouds.

What about the W3000, are there clouds in that set as well? If you look hard enough you will see them I'm sure.

And the pictures posted thus far don't compare at all to those found the uneven backlight / cloudiness thread.

You guys are really beginning to split hairs here, and I am convinced that some people will complain about "clouding" no matter what, even if it is barely visual 99% of the time...

If you are already complaining about clouds, why not keep that discussion in the thread devoted exclusively to it?

Wow someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. I was just saying if there were clouds on the set here is how you seem them. Not that there was going to be any. That will vary from set to set. Regardless it would be nice if Sony did a better QA job out of the factory. If they are going to charge a premium for their set they should be putting the best panels in.

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well, on a side note to game mode, I play Gears of War like a religion (used to atleast), and I can honestly say I play with game mode ''Off'' on my XBR2 and pull off ''perfect reloads'' 90% of the time. I have been playing with game mode ''Off'' since day 1, when I bought this tv

somebody here mentioned that game mode apperently screws up their ''golf swing meter'' shots, when its turned ''Off.'' BUT....improves thier shots when game mode is ''On.''

Im going to try playing GoW with game mode ''On'' to see if it improves my ''reloads'', since it used the same basic ''button press-meter-timing'' technique.

Ill report on this issue myself later.

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My laptop only has VGA but if no one has done so in about a week when I've finished building my HTPC, I'll run it.

Looking forward for that.
Would you be able to access SM and post SW/FW?
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XBR4 still has mura issues but it seems that as the set stays on for a length of time that the clouds lessen in intensity, and I am not refering to the auto-dimming that is quite obvious when it happens. Is it possible that the screen heats up and lessens the mura or that Sony has incorporated some crazy technology to decrease the mura? Any other XBR4 owners seeing this?

zmickz1,
Can you still undo the effects of the auto dimming by setting the brightness to some value of 50 or above?

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anyone have experience with this company?

They are selling the XBR45s for an incredible hard to believe price...

any advice regarding this company would be appreciated.

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This isn't fair at all.

You are assuming his set will suffer from clouding.

Now we know, based upon the entirely unscientific poll here, that there are very few cases of clouding in the last generation 52" panels.

That problem was largely limited to 46" panels.

It seems as if everyone here WANTS there to be clouds, every thread relating to Sony televisions turns into a discussion of whether or not there are clouds.

What about the W3000, are there clouds in that set as well? If you look hard enough you will see them I'm sure.

And the pictures posted thus far don't compare at all to those found the uneven backlight / cloudiness thread.

You guys are really beginning to split hairs here, and I am convinced that some people will complain about "clouding" no matter what, even if it is barely visual 99% of the time...

If you are already complaining about clouds, why not keep that discussion in the thread devoted exclusively to it?

Do you know if W3000 and new XBRs have the same type of panels? In order to get some comparison please access and post your SM info. The more users post there sets info the better. Pixels pattern photos are welcome too.

Add: Forgot to mention that we need manufacturing data as well!
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anyone have experience with this company?

They are selling the XBR45s for an incredible hard to believe price...

any advice regarding this company would be appreciated.

doc.

You need to check out Reseller Ratings but OUCH--http://www.resellerratings.com/store/LCDPlasmaDeals.

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No. It's an LCD, therefore no burn in.

OK...I'm tired of seeing people (including salesmen) say that LCDs have "NO" burn in.

I have a Dell 24" LCD monitor and it DOES exhibit burn-in from the static icons on the desktop. I have noticed it with static window tool bars also. It is not all of the time and I haven't noticed it for a while. But it has happened to me in the past and it is very noticeable and annoying when it happens.

However, I can usually clear the screen with a program that switches the monitor back and forth from an all black screen to an all white screen, left running for a while.

No, it is not anything close to burn in on my plasma, but it is there and can be "cleaned" or cleared away.

It may be greater if you have the back light turned up all the way.

So if it can happen with a computer monitor, can't it also happen when the XBR (or any LCDTV) is hooked up to a computer or if the points and status bar of a game is left on screen overnight? (i.e. I fell asleep while playing....)

I don't want to divert too far from the topic of XBRs, but I'm curious if anyone else has seen this since I am buying the 40XBR5 and will use it hooked up to my computer and used for PS3.

Has anyone else noticed this on an LCD display or am I the only one?
Could it have just been my graphics driver not refreshing the screen enough?

Thanks in advance.
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zmickz1,
Can you still undo the effects of the auto dimming by setting the brightness to some value of 50 or above?

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Not sure, will give it a try.
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