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Issues Reported By Owners
SMEARING: Please try to keep talk about this issue in the thread
below. It is updated with new information as it comes in.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=954257
Mura "Clouds"
Loud Fans on 40" and 46"
Pink Video Using HDMI
See link below for Pink video firmware update.
http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/new...5&news_id=a245

Calibration Thread
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=893076

XBR4/5 Info

Over the years XBR has stood for the best consumer TV's Sony has to offer and this year's line up is no exception. The XBR line of Full HD 1080p televisions incorporate all of Sony's latest technologies (including HDMI v1.3 features such as x.v.Color and Deep Color). Additional features like Motionflow™ 120Hz enable smoother motion when viewing movies or fast-action sports. BRAVIA Engine PRO with Digital Reality Creation upconverts all interlaced and progressive video signals including HD signals directly to 1080p for amazing detail and sharpness. And it's only fitting that your XBR make a statement not only through breathtaking picture quality, but by taking your breath away with optional color bezels. Now your LCD TV can be as distinct as your own personal style.

Full HD 1080
There are a lot of ways to define high-definition but BRAVIA® Full HD means you’re getting the best resolution that high-definition has to offer consumers. With Sony BRAVIA XBR HDTVs, Full HD 1080 means 1920 x 1080 pixels5 and 1080p video inputs. Your lifestyle demands the best in high-definition and with BRAVIA Full HD 1080 products you get it.

1920 x 1080 Native Panel Resolution
When it comes to high-definition TV the pinnacle of performance is achieved by using 1920 x 1080 display panels. Full HD 1920 x 1080 panel resolution with over 2 million pixels 5(more than twice that of 720p HDTV) is exactly what you need to reproduce the 1080p content that can be delivered by our cutting edge 1080p Blu-ray disc™ player.

10-bit Processing and 10-bit Display
While it's great to state that a TV is capable of creating billions of colors it's a whole lot better when you have a display that can actually display them. That's the logic behind Sony's 10-bit processor and 10-bit display. Sony follows 10-bit processing with a 10-bit panel, allowing 64 times the levels of color expression than an 8-bit panel. What that translates to is smoother transitions from color to color and subtle color changes faithfully reproduced.

Motionflow™ 120 Hz with Full HD high frame rate capability
Taking motion performance to the next level requires innovation and expertise. Enter Sony's Motionflow™ High Frame Rate technology. Motionflow™ detects the incoming video signal and applies the appropriate processing for optimum motion reproduction. Taking full advantage of film sourced 24fps encoded content available on DVD and Blu-ray Disc, Motionflow™ eliminates the need for 3:2 pulldown and delivers smooth, judder free video, faithfully preserving the integrity of the original film. When 60fps content is detected, Motionflow™ doubles the amount of frames and uses real-time calculation to create a new level of natural motion reproduction. You'll experience movies and sports with a greater sense of realism than ever before.

BRAVIA Engine™ PRO Full Digital Video Processor
BRAVIA Engine™ PRO builds upon the BRAVIA Engine system's outstanding video processing functions making it Sony's most advanced video processing system. It is the culmination of our legendary picture quality expertise, featuring the latest generation of proprietary video processing technology: Digital Reality Creation - Multi Function (DRC-MFv2.5). This technology creates a high-density video signal that traditional interpolation video processing cannot achieve. This latest generation of DRC-MF features increased processing power and provides a sharp, crystal clear image with both 480i and 480p standard definition and all high definition sources (except 1080p). It also features "1080p Direct Creation" which minimizes loss in interlace-to-progressive (IP) conversion by performing Digital Reality Creation and IP Creation algorithms simultaneously.

Live Color Creation™ System featuring WCG-CCFL
Many colors in the real world such as deep reds, greens and clear blues cannot be expressed with conventional display technologies. Working in combination with the special WCG-CCFL backlight in LCD HDTVs or the optical engine in our MDPJ HDTVs, Live Color Creation technology achieves wide color reproduction using advanced chroma signal processingalgorithms. The primary benefits are clear blues, natural greens and an overall vibrant color for all scenes.

Advanced Contrast Enhancer (ACE) Function
Sony’s Advanced Contrast Enhancer (ACE) builds on our excellent on-contrastratio performance of 2,000:11. A Dynamic Contrast Ratio of up to 18,000:12 is achieved by using real-time image processing to adjust the contrast along with optimizing backlight levels. But rather than focus on the "numbers", Sony focuses on actual picture performance avoiding exaggerated blacks where detail can be lost. ACE translates to blacker blacks in darker scenes, as well as better shadow detail in other scenes for a difference that you can see.

x.v.Color™ technology
BRAVIA® HDTV's performance has now advanced to the point that the color range can be defined by limitations in the original video source, rather than the TV. Thanks to the adoption of a newly approved international color standard called xvYCC (an option in the HDMI v1.3 spec and which Sony participated in creating), the color space has been greatly expanded. 1.8 times as many natural colors as existing HDTV signals will now be faithfully reproduced. x.v.Color enabled products can now offer more accurate color reproduction and natural colors beyond broadcast HDTV.

24p True Cinema (24p Input Capability)
Many movies are filmed at 24 frames per second (fps) and prime time TV programs are recorded at 24p. Seizing on an opportunity, some studios are taking a purist approach and encoding high definition video content such as Blu-ray Disc™ in 24p. Sony wisely takes advantage of this by including 24p output capability on our Blu-ray Disc™ players as well as including 24p input capability select 2007 BRAVIA TVs. The benefit— Images are smooth and natural looking. Once you experience 24p video it will be hard to view video without it.

DMex - Ready (Digital Media Extender)
Sony's Digital Media Extender (DMex) ready televisions offer a digital connection path for the addition of the optional modules like the new BRAVIA Internet Video Link. 6 With innovative DMex expansion capabilities featuring the Emmy® award winning XMB user interface, these models are not merely TVs, but powerful entertainment platforms that not only meet your needs today, but extend to add new features seamlessly.

Xross Media Bar® (XMB) interface
When was the last time you saw an on-screen display that was fast, fun and easy to use— Sony's award-winning Xross Media Bar™ (pronounced Cross) provides a logical and fast way to access set up menus, user controls, and more. The on-screen display comes to life by pushing the XMB menu button on the remote. Navigation through the menus is smooth and fast.

BRAVIA® Theatre Sync™ technology
Sony® created BRAVIA® Theatre Sync™ to go beyond basic digital audio and video transmission. Based on the HDMI-CEC function, BRAVIA® Theatre Sync™ will be included on select BRAVIA® Theatre home A/V systems and components. This useful function reduces the hassle and time consuming job of powering up, routing signals, etc. to the simple push of one button.8 Want to play your DVD on your Sony® A/V system— Easy, just push PLAY on the BRAVIA® HDTV remote and everything is taken care of for you. Even when the system is off! Want to change from TV sound to digital surround sound through your Sony BRAVIA® Theatre A/V system— Just one push of the Theater Sound button on the remote and voila, surround sound through your system. Want to power down everything once you've finished enjoying it— Push one button and the TV and A/V system powers down. BRAVIA® Theatre Sync™ helps make things a whole lot easier to operate.

Full Specs

Aspect Ratio
16:9
Screen Size
46 inch class (45.5 inches measured diagonally)
Television Type
Flat Panel LCD HDTV
Closed Caption (CC)
Yes
ID1 Detection
Yes
Video Label
Yes
Native Resolution
1080p
Contrast Ratio
18,000:1 (Dynamic) 2; 2,000:1 (On-screen) 1
Display Resolution
1920 x 1080
Tuner
ATSC, Clear QAM
Video Processing
Yes (BRAVIA Engine™ PRO)
Comb Filter
Yes (3D Digital Comb Filter)
DRC® MultiFunction Circuitry
Yes (DRC MF V2.5)
Game Mode
On/Off
Light Sensor
Yes
Display Technology
LCD (178° wide viewing angle LCD display panels)
Backlight Type
WCG-CCFL (Wide Color Gamut - CCFL)
High Definition
Yes (Full HD 1080)
Live Color Creation™
Yes
x.v.Color™
Yes
MotionFlow™ 120Hz
Yes
10-bit Display Panel
Yes
BRAVIA® Theatre Sync™
Yes (One-Button Home Theater Control (HDMI-CEC))
10-bit Video Processing
Yes
Noise Reduction
Yes
Deep Color
Yes
Audio Power Output
22W (11W x2)
Steady Sound® Automatic Volume Control
Yes
MTS Stereo Decoder
Yes (with SAP)
Digital Amplifier
Yes
Dolby® Digital
Yes (ATSC/QAM only)
Sound Booster
Yes
Voice Zoom
Yes
S-Force® Front
Yes
Channel Skip/Add
Yes
Favorite Channel
Yes
Speed Surf™ Channel Selection
Yes
Parental Control (V-Chip)
Yes
Programmable Timer
Yes
Sleep Timer
15, 30, 45, 60, 90, Off
Timer Events
On/Off Timer
Clock
Yes
Power Save Mode
Standard, Reduced, Picture Off
Picture Freeze
Yes
Input Skip
Yes
DMeXTM Ready
Yes (Feature Expansion Capability)
Xross Media Bar®
Yes (Graphical User Interface)
Remote Control
Yes (Backlit)
Optimized Theater Mode
Yes
Photo TV HD
Yes
Analog Audio Input(s)
5 (4 Rear/1 Side)
Audio Out (Variable/Fixed)
1 (Rear)
Component Video (Y/Pb/Pr ) Input(s)
2 (Rear)
Composite Video Input(s)
3 (2 Rear/1 Side)
Digital Audio Output(s)
1 (Rear)
S-Video Input(s)
1 (Rear)
Headphone Output(s)
1 (Side)
PC Audio Input(s)
1 (Rear)
PC Video Input(s)
1 (Rear) with D-sub 15 and L/R stereo mini plug connection4
HDMI™ Connection(s)
3 (1 Side/ 2 Rear) - 1 rear input has L/R audio inputs
1080/24p Input Capable
Yes (via HDMI™)
Power Consumption (in Operation)
280W
Power Consumption (in Standby)
Less than 0.4W
Energy Star® Compliant
Yes
Limited Warranty XBR4
1 Year Parts / 1 Year Labor
Limited Warranty XBR5
18 Months Parts / 18 Months Labor
VESA
Yes (VESA Hole Mount Compatibility for Mounting Applications)

How to get into service menu (Do at your own risk, not responsible for damage caused):

From the TV turned OFF shortly push one button after another on remote: Display > 5 > Vol+ > ON/Power. Turn TV off to exit

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My 46" XBR4 will be delivered tomorrow between 10-12. I saw the 40" this weekend and went for the 46" deal. Any advice for a stand or mount? If you just got one or are geting one what media will you watch first on your XBR4?
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I have a question, hopefully not too stupid: can you have multiple custom settings saved on the xbr4/5 ie one for playing fast paced video games, one for watching dvds, one for sports, etc. or do you have to keep switching settings every time? Thanks.
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I know the 52xbr4 is shipping and think a few people have received theirs already. I am very curious how well 24p works. Also for an update on the mura/clouding seen or not seen on 52s.
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I have a question, hopefully not too stupid: can you have multiple custom settings saved on the xbr4/5 ie one for playing fast paced video games, one for watching dvds, one for sports, etc. or do you have to keep switching settings every time? Thanks.

As far as I can tell you can only do it per input not per type of content. It would be nice to store a profile you could just hit with a click of a button.

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I know the 52xbr4 is shipping and think a few people have received theirs already. I am very curious how well 24p works. Also for an update on the mura/clouding seen or not seen on 52s.

24p works great. I have yet to see the set choke on 24p material. Fast scenes, slow scenes, desaturated or filled with vibrant colors, 24p via HDMI is excellent on this set.

There isn't any apparent clouding on my set (52" XBR4) but if I take the backlight and crank it up to max I do see that the right third of my screen gets a little brighter than the middle and left. But thats in a dark room and set at 6 or lower it looks totally uniform. Setting backlight to 4 seems to be plenty bright and doesn't artificially lift the black level.

*Note* even when I set the backlight to max and boost the picture to max I don't see anything that looks like the clouding in the XBR2/3 threads.

So far the only clouding on my set occurs when I'm watching the title sequence of a Dreamworks, WB or Paramount movie.
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Where is it noted that pricing info is not to be posted? Seems like this is an arbitrary rule that some people (aka moderators) are against and therefore enforce by closing threads. Sorry if I missed this term & condition when signing up for the forum, but it seems unreasonable to scold forum members for helping one another try to get the best price in their area. Shouldn't the members who are posting to the thread dictate the content? Just seems silly....
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Where is it noted that pricing info is not to be posted? Seems like this is an arbitrary rule that some people (aka moderators) are against and therefore enforce by closing threads. Sorry if I missed this term & condition when signing up for the forum, but it seems unreasonable to scold forum members for helping one another try to get the best price in their area. Shouldn't the members who are posting to the thread dictate the content? Just seems silly....

If someone says they got a good price then take it to PMs.
We do not pay to use these forums thus we abide by the rules. Fair enough
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If you leave a dvd movie or video game on paused for a long time,will the screen get a burned image on it?
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Where is it noted that pricing info is not to be posted? Seems like this is an arbitrary rule that some people (aka moderators) are against and therefore enforce by closing threads. Sorry if I missed this term & condition when signing up for the forum, but it seems unreasonable to scold forum members for helping one another try to get the best price in their area. Shouldn't the members who are posting to the thread dictate the content? Just seems silly....

Maybe this is what you want, http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/...&&#post4883668.

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OK, got it (re: pricing). Just asking cause it seemed that even though this was the "rule" enough members were still discussing it. Then the thread was canceled. Carry on...
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I spoke with a Sony Rep today and learned that game mode is more for strategy type games and not for FPS, or action games Just wanted to post this because there has been lots of questions. Key here being game mode is for types of games where most of the background is stationary.

It's all about 1080P/24 & HD audio
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im not understanding this game mode, is it necessary at all? Is there artifacts if the game mode is not turned on or is this just an added bonus.

also does pcinput need hdcp video card to have 1920x1080 windows vga and dvi-hdmi.
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im not understanding this game mode, is it necessary at all? Is there artifacts if the game mode is not turned on or is this just an added bonus.

also does pcinput need hdcp video card to have 1920x1080 windows vga and dvi-hdmi.


No it's not needed at all! Possibly Sims. but not even needed for that. It should be called picture mode, no game in it.

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If you leave a dvd movie or video game on paused for a long time,will the screen get a burned image on it?

No. It's an LCD, therefore no burn in.
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My 46" XBR4 will be delivered tomorrow between 10-12. I saw the 40" this weekend and went for the 46" deal. Any advice for a stand or mount? If you just got one or are geting one what media will you watch first on your XBR4?

I got this (I cant mount it on a wall in an apartment). These ar made by Sanus, very nice in person and easy to assemble. The only thing is that they claim 50lbs load on the glass shelves, do not believe it. Rrobably under 40.



you can also get this:

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This is a very nice stand:

The Z-Line Phantom50. Pathetically easy to assemble and the mount is rated up to 240lbs (while the 52XBR4 is a scant 93 without the stand)! As soon as I get my TV (still sitting at BB - hopefully just a couple more days), it's getting mounted there!

The shelves are very spacious and are rated to 85 lbs I think. I've got a DVD player on top of my receiver right now, with a cable box next to it. On the bottom shelf, the PS3, 360, Wiii, and 360 HD Drive all reside nicely together, without being cramped. Once the set is on the mount, the center speaker will fit perfectly on the top shelf.

A question as I wait:

Over component, does this set give you the option of "Full Pixel" or "Normal" or "-1/-2" as it does over HDMI? This is found under "Screen Settings" --> "Display Area."

Would like to know as the 360 will be my only device not hooked in via HDMI.
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Sorry couldn't find the answer in the old thread, does the motionflow make a difference in sports or FPS games?
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I'm waiting for delivery of this BDI stand:

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I was wondering any forum sponsors selling 46" XBR4 model? if so please PM the quote

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im not understanding this game mode, is it necessary at all? Is there artifacts if the game mode is not turned on or is this just an added bonus.

also does pcinput need hdcp video card to have 1920x1080 windows vga and dvi-hdmi.



that's what I'm trying to figure out



but when I played Heavenly Sword demo w/o gaming mode I thought I was noticing artifacts, and I was pretty sure they were gone when I turned on game mode


can anyone else try this out to confirm this?

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Sorry couldn't find the answer in the old thread, does the motionflow make a difference in sports or FPS games?

I'm far from an expert, but from what I gather when asking about MotionFlow there are really 3 things going on (and please correct me!). One is a 120Hz panel which can allow 60, 30 and 24p smoothly (because 120 divides by each evenly). Some content is in 24p for example and it should look "perfect" on these sets. Then there is the notion of frame insertion in some content. Some brands insert black frames which are a bit similar to blanking on a CRT. Others interpolate the "missing" frames. Then I believe these Sony's have one more settting I've seen mentioned as Cinema Auto1 and Auto2. I don't yet know what these actually affect. It seems some combination of of these settings can cause poor display.
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A picture request:

The 81 series thread is in all-out drool mode now that someone's got a set; and it does look very nice, glare not-withstanding, of course.

coma426, or anyone else with one of these sets currently and who also owns the 5th Element, could you take a screenshot of the following picture in the dark?



It'd be nice to have a comparison of how the XBR4's handle the black (and white/blue explosion) in this scene.
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No. It's an LCD, therefore no burn in.

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I don't see what the problem is, my post is XBR4 related. There are lots of stands but if I go to the stand forum I'm not likely to find too many posts about stands for the XBR4 but since there are so many interested in the XBR4 here it seems a likely place.

What else is this forum supposed to be about, just settings?

I think I will order the Sanus PFFP2b Platinum Furniture Flat Panel TV stand tomorrow, I like the wooden stand for the living room but this will be going into my office with the high tech stuff.
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Compulady;11363890]I don't see what the problem is, my post is XBR4 related. There are lots of stands but if I go to the stand forum I'm not likely to find too many posts about stands for the XBR4 but since there are so many interested in the XBR4 here it seems a likely place.

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that's what I'm trying to figure out



but when I played Heavenly Sword demo w/o gaming mode I thought I was noticing artifacts, and I was pretty sure they were gone when I turned on game mode


can anyone else try this out to confirm this?

What kind of artifacts were you seeing? I played tonight in custom mode with motion flow turned on and didn't notice anything. There is screen tearing but that is part of the demo build that should not be in the final release.

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Hi guys, I'm new to this forum. This is my first post. I have a concern based on viewing distance (someone had mentioned this in the original thread earlier today). I was planning on getting a 52" XBR4 and will be no more than 8 ft away (approximating eyeball to screen). Someone had implied that 8-10 ft was too close for a 46" (due to eyes jumping around and all). I had never thought of that being an issue and have always wanted the 52" version. Have any of you had any issues with this before? I've never had a TV this big, so it's never crossed my mind. Thanks for any insight.
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Hi guys, I'm new to this forum. This is my first post. I have a concern based on viewing distance (someone had mentioned this in the original thread earlier today). I was planning on getting a 52" XBR4 and will be no more than 8 ft away (approximating eyeball to screen). Someone had implied that 8-10 ft was too close for a 46" (due to eyes jumping around and all). I had never thought of that being an issue and have always wanted the 52" version. Have any of you had any issues with this before? I've never had a TV this big, so it's never crossed my mind. Thanks for any insight.

I sit about six feet from my 46" and find it perfect for my needs. A 52" would be fine from 8 feet.

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Old news...but I thought you'd find it interesting...

Sony ranked top in LCD TV shipments in 2006

By Martyn Williams, IDG News Service, 02/14/07

Sony Corp. came out on top of the LCD (liquid crystal display) TV market in 2006 for the first time, according to figures published by DisplaySearch on Tuesday.


It looks like Sony's going for a "Two-Fer". They may have this year locked-up.

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