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post #181 of 28850 Old 08-23-2007, 11:41 PM
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I saw this exact same two TV's also at CC. My impression was the black level was significantly better and for the small amount more for the 71 was by far the choice. The contrast is the key here, all the colors are better and made the 65 look washed out. This TV had better black level then any plasma they carry. They were going to put the XBR4 tomorrow next to it and should be intresting.

Then my thoughts without seeing the 81 series should be dramatic also. Will LED in a few years eliminate the CCFL BL. Just have to see where this goes when more models hit the stores. I'd like to upgrade to a 71 series but I believe its in my best intrest to see some more LED.

But if your looking for a TV today the 71 series is awfully nice.

See if you can get a remove and reset them to either default standard or default vivid. I think the 71 was better in contrast....and the 65 was already a pretty big number. It just as the contrast gets so high you won't see difference jump out as moves from 1000-1 to 2000-1 this was a HUGE difference. 2000 to 4000 will be a nice difference....not huge tough

At some point....black is black enough.

The big advantage is the 71s 120hz motion....and on that I used the remote to toggle the demo. I only had tennis in HD to test motion....which is not a good test at all.


The problem for me is I need a non gloss 71. If they keep the gloss only option....I can not buy a Samsung. I sure hope they don't exclude me from their buyer pool.
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I love the 4095 But, does your answer mean that my question WAS silly, or that the xx71 Will provide better black detail? Thanks!!

Damn, what happened to the multi-quote thing?!

Okay, being a huge fan of the 4095...I said that. Of course the 71 is better though, and yes it does provide substantially better black detail...properly set up.

For those of you contemplating the XBR4 vs the 71's, from what I've seen and heard about the XBR4's...I would go with the 71's. If you absolutely can not stand the gloss screen and/or have a room that you can't really control the lighting in, then go with the XBR4. Usually people watch TV at nighttime though . As far as feature sets go though, they're for the most part identical. I do however like the 120hz mode on the Sony better though, the 71's 120hz modes are really only good for games. Turn it on when you watch a movie, or television program and it looks like it fast forwards, then stutters, then fast forwards. It's very annoying and hurts more than it helps. For games however, so far it's fantastic. Sony's 120hz is much smoother and doesn't jitter.

1080p/24fps is great, I just came from the Panny 50pz750u, which was a great TV and I figured plasmas would deal with motion during movies better than an LCD would, but I was proven wrong by the Samsung. Everything from games to movies looks great in motion on this set. Being a hardcore gamer, I can honestly recommend this TV for the CRT gamer that is hesitant about the switch over to flat panels. You're not going to get CRT motion, but you're pretty damn close here.

I don't know what else you guys want to know that I or sharpjunkie haven't already addressed. I will let you know though, that I will be returning this set and picking up the 4681. Why, you may ask? Just because I can I supppose...plus I have like 4 dead pixels. It's not the fact whether I can or can't see them (I sit about 4-5 ft away), it's the fact that they're there and it bugs me to know that my TV is not perfect.

Pros:
Great color depth for an LCD, colors are pretty accurate, motion is very good on just about every source, SD is above average, 1080/24 is amazing, BLACKS depth and detail are fantastic.

Cons:
120hz mode sucks for everything but games, only 3 picture setting modes and all but "movie" are very limited in customization, game mode hurts more than helps, backlight doesn't change over when I use the picture mode button causing me to go into the menu and manually change it.

Conclusion:
In the past year and a half, I've owned the Westinghouse LVM-42w2, Sony 50a2000, Panasonic 50pz750u and now the Samsung LNT4671. All were very very good TV's, but EVERY tv has its shortcomings. The 71 is no different...but its easily the best TV that I've owned and would definitely regret giving up. It's a TV that I can wholeheartedly recommend to any of my customers looking for a fullfeatured TV but can accommodate the glossy screen. I don't know what else I can write since its almost 4 am...I'm tired and I've got work in a couple hours. If you've got a particular question for me, go ahead a PM me, I'll address it there and review it on the thread. I don't check this thread everyday, but I'll know if you have a question because it will show up in my E-mail.

(Note: I still haven't had to calibrate the set yet, I don't believe in Avia or DVE. I'll use SpyderTV on the set when I get it back from a friend, and report the settings when I have them. I do feel my eye judgment is pretty accurate though! )

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Samsung has a full page color ad in todays "USA Today" Sports section back page. Shows a pic of a TV set with no identification of model. Below the pic are words with reference to the "new 71" series LCD TV and the following statement: "for more information , visit samsung.com/nfl". Looks like samsung is using the NFL football season to launch new TV's. I searched the site but could not find any info on the 71.
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I finally found the manual on Samsung's site. While they don't yet list the 71 as a product, it does show up in the support part of the site.

Samsung LN-T4671F Manual

It's a whopping 49MB!
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JoeLTron, Have you tried older game systems hooked up to the TV? I heard in the Olevia 747i thread that it had problems with PS1/SNES/etc games. How do those games fair on this TV?
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My set does 1080p24, When my ps3 is playing a blu ray, if I hit info on the remote, the screen shows that the the hz is at 24 as opposed to 60 on a standard dvd. No judder, 3d, lifelike. Yeah you are right, I have shown this set to 2 of my friends and I watched them as they watched casino royal and thier jaw was hanging on the ground.



Come over to my house and I will prove you different. Watching casino royal, watching ER right now in HD, watching wheel of fortune, jeopardy, I can see individual pieces of hair strands, I would even see hair lice if the people had them.


this 10bit vs 8bit vs 10bit has been beaten to death. Ask Westy. It has not been confirmed either way. If Sony and Samsung use the same panel, why would they have different bits?



Thats all fine and dandy but I wish they made models that had no speakers. Who buys a 3000+ tv and doesn't have surround sound? Make the sets for us that do have it and make them cheaper. Floating glass, Do I really need to increase the size of my tv's bezel? One benefit of Sammy? Go buy your xbr and bring it over to my house, let's do a real life test of which is better.
XMB and remotes? Not a big deal since most people on here have an all in one remote for thier electronics. I am sure my 71 has a better picture and it was 700 dollars cheaper. Im watching news in 1080i right now and I can see age lines, freckles, individual hair strands, lint on the news anchors jacket, a balding news anchors thin hair line where the hair comes out of the skin. This tv is out of control I swear the picture looks better the longer it has been running like it is getting broken in...


Come over to your house and you'll prove to me that the XBR4 produces a better picture than the 71? I thought you owned the 71. Perhaps you misread my post.
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hey is this available at best buy yet? anyone? i'd like to hit their 0% sale over labor day.

loving my completed home theater. :)
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I do however like the 120hz mode on the Sony better though, the 71's 120hz modes are really only good for games. Turn it on when you watch a movie, or television program and it looks like it fast forwards, then stutters, then fast forwards. It's very annoying and hurts more than it helps. For games however, so far it's fantastic. Sony's 120hz is much smoother and doesn't jitter.

My understanding is that the fast forward effect is caused by a messed up 120hz settings. Even the Sony has the effect if not set up properly. Try changing the settings around on both sets, you will see the FF effect on the Sony as well.

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We just got the 52" in at BB the other. I love it. I can't wait to get one!

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I finally found the manual on Samsung's site. While they don't yet list the 71 as a product, it does show up in the support part of the site.

Samsung LN-T4671F Manual

It's a whopping 49MB!

Still the same crappy PIP. Analog RF only!
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I have a noob question about the 120hz and 24fps.

Aren't those settings meant for movies (BD/HD-DVD) & games more than for TV viewing? For a game like Ninja Gaiden Sigma, it runs at 60fps... how does that work for a TV like this?

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Guys, first time poster, long time lurker. It's possible to do a pretty good comparison between the XBR4 and 71F at CC Union Square in Manhattan, as they allow you to do some minor calibration, and play the same Blu-ray disc on each set. There were too many people/reps watching to check for clouds, mura, flashes, drops, firmware, etc etc etc, but I know many of you are contemplating these sets at the moment, so I thought I would throw in my high-level 2 cents...

Auto Motion Plus (120 Mhz) - On both sets, absurd on the highest level for movies, as many have said it definitely looks like you are watching a documentary of the movie, instead of the movie. Initially, the wow factor is off the charts (jaws were dropping left and right when they popped in Pirates). It would get tiresome after awhile, though. It's definitely a huge upgrade over the 65F/XBR2 for fast motion from what I can tell, set on Low. I was unable to view a sports cable feed or video game feed, but I can imagine it would be a substantial plus (especially based on comments from other posters).

Glare on the 71F - It definitely appeared to have less glare than the 65F. Still mirror-like when turned off, but when on, in the brightly lit CC store, it was not an issue for me at all.

Comparison - I definitely prefer the styling of the 71 to the XBR4, which is obviously a personal preference (can't stand the glass around the bezel, wish they had used the V3000 styling for the XBR). 120 Mhz seemed very slightly smoother to me on the XBR, but for all intents and purposes, it was the same. Color seemed better on the 71, with clarity being equal on both sets.

Conclusion - All in all, you can't go wrong with either set. The Reps at the store seem equally divided between which set they will be buying themselves. That being said, at the end of the day, the Sammy just had a higher wow factor for me, and also a lower price. I'll be picking one up this weekend.
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I have a noob question about the 120hz and 24fps.

Aren't those settings meant for movies (BD/HD-DVD) & games more than for TV viewing? For a game like Ninja Gaiden Sigma, it runs at 60fps... how does that work for a TV like this?

Thanks

120hz really smooths out motion for games. I had a few people do a 120hz test with NGS and it did show dramatic improvements over 60hz LCD.

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As you can see there is still blur but on an old 60hz LCD you wouldn't even be able to make out any detail at all in a pic like that. (the trees would just be an orange blur and Ryu would be a black blob) what 120hz does is make motion more smooth and natural and it really does help.

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I think it is much of a difference of response time than being able to take a 24fps signal.
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Thanks for Service Menu photo again
Honestly I didn't find any info about FRC chip

A lot of values "8bit" & "10bit"
It's interesting to see list of possible values in those fields
May be after that we'll be more specific about 10-bit implementation in this serie.
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Thanks for Service Menu photo again
Honestly I didn't find any info about FRC chip

A lot of values "8bit" & "10bit"
It's interesting to see list of possible values in those fields
May be after that we'll be more specific about 10-bit implementation in this serie.

Mike did find anything interesting re 120 Hz in SM?
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Just went through 71F manual and get confused with 120 Hz. So could anyone explain me how come Auto Motion 120 Hz has so many options, like High, Medium and Low settings and what these options exactly stand for? IMO if we believe in 120 Hz refresh (on 60 Hz and may be 24 Hz feed) it suppose to be only 2 options: Yes and No (or ON and OFF if you will). "On" stands for 120 Hz and "Off" - for 60 Hz. (Could you imagine that your GF is saying that she is medium pregnant? LOL )

I noticed that there is a demo mode as well. Does anyone try this demo? How it looks like?

Just an idea… If we had a high-speed video camera (say 240 –480 fps) we could tape the screen using different Auto Motion settings and then play the record slowly to determine what is going on. IMO only number of FPS is critical the resolution can be QVGA or whatever. Anyone has access to high-speed video cameras?
Please advise.
Tnx.
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Mike did find anything interesting re 120 Hz in SM?

Just FRC SSC = 1
Also interesting what inside FBE2 menu
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How to get out of "shop mode".
What other modes are there.
How to run the 120Hz demo...can it be run at hi, med and low?
Thanks again guys

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How to get out of "shop mode".
What other modes are there.
How to run the 120Hz demo...can it be run at hi, med and low?
Thanks again guys

manual says how to get out of shop mode. Demo does left screen in high and right screen in off. Those are the only settings that can be run in demo mode. It's easier to see the difference by running the same scene over in all three settings.

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How to get out of "shop mode".
What other modes are there.
How to run the 120Hz demo...can it be run at hi, med and low?
Thanks again guys

Hi
"Shop Mode" controlled via SM. Sharp was kind enough to take and post SM pictures just a page ago. Take a look.
I am also very interested to see 120Hz Demo Mode in action.
Best of luck,
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Ah back from work...since it was slow I feel inclined to answer a few questions about tv's now.

Shop mode basically just defaults the settings and switches things over to dynamic. Just hold the menu button on the TV to toggle it.

I haven't had the chance to hook up one of my older systems yet, needless to say...I'm sure there will be quite a bit of processing lag. I'll give you the results after I get to try them out.

As far as 1080/24...it works only for HD movies...film is done in 24fps...games vary in FPS so it really wouldnt work out too well there. Ninja Gaiden runs beautifully in 60fps, and even better in 120hz...as do most games...besides Guitar Hero. I noticed that you get a crazy amount of jitter in GH with Automotion on.

As far as comparing the two 120hz settings...I didn't get to play around with the setting on the XBR4...but on the A3000 SXRD. It runs GREAT on the A3000! I've just about tried everything out on my TV so far, and nothing really affects the way that automotion works. :\\

The sets are both available at BB's now, they might not be on display...but they're definitely in the distribution center. The 24 month 0% APR is an ongoing promo as well...buy it now or buy it later...really doesn't make too much of a difference. 60 day price guarantee ends at the end of this month too.
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Just went through 71F manual and get confused with 120 Hz. So could anyone explain me how come Auto Motion 120 Hz has so many options, like High, Medium and Low settings and what these options exactly stand for? IMO if we believe in 120 Hz refresh (on 60 Hz and may be 24 Hz feed) it suppose to be only 2 options: Yes and No (or ON and OFF if you will). "On" stands for 120 Hz and "Off" - for 60 Hz. (Could you imagine that your GF is saying that she is medium pregnant? LOL )

I noticed that there is a demo mode as well. Does anyone try this demo? How it looks like?

Just an idea If we had a high-speed video camera (say 240 -480 fps) we could tape the screen using different Auto Motion settings and then play the record slowly to determine what is going on. IMO only number of FPS is critical the resolution can be QVGA or whatever. Anyone has access to high-speed video cameras?
Please advise.
Tnx.
AG

I hate all those options. Let's say you are only watching HD Cable, but switching channels between Jay Leno, an HBO movie, and a repeat of a football game. Are we supposed to keep pressing buttons for each program? Is there a mode that can be used that will look fine on all 3 of these programs at once?
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I hate all those options. Let's say you are only watching HD Cable, but switching channels between Jay Leno, an HBO movie, and a repeat of a football game. Are we supposed to keep pressing buttons for each program? Is there a mode that can be used that will look fine on all 3 of these programs at once?

I am not quite agree with you
I absolutely love Options, but I hate to be unaware about what exactly each option is stands for!
So please let me invite all owners of 71F and XBR4 to cooperate in order to nail down some mysterious option of these sets. Together we can do it!
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Hi Everyone,
Just came back from CC with a LNT5271F. They only had 1 in stock (not even on display yet) so I grabbed it. Hopefully I like the glossy screen, I will let you know how it goes once I unpack this!
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Hi Everyone,
Just came back from CC with a LNT5271F. They only had 1 in stock (not even on display yet) so I grabbed it. Hopefully I like the glossy screen, I will let you know how it goes once I unpack this!

if you liked the 65 series you will love the 71...... will be looking for evaluation
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As far as 1080/24...it works only for HD movies...film is done in 24fps...games vary in FPS so it really wouldnt work out too well there.

Joel,
Is that 1080p/24 AND 1080i/24, and if it is 1080i does that mean movies shot @24fps and then broadcast via cable. sat or OTA, are also positively affected by the 5:5 capability of this set?

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Joel,
Is that 1080p/24 AND 1080i/24, and if it is 1080i does that mean movies shot @24fps and then broadcast via cable. sat or OTA, are also positively affected by the 5:5 capability of this set?

NO! There is no such a beast as 1080i24!
There is no "cable" broadcasting of p24 signal!
24 is always progressive!
2:2, 3:3 or 5:5 pulldown has not been confirmed!
But you can enjoy 3:2 pulldown @ p60
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NO! There is no such a beast as 1080i24!
There is no "cable" broadcasting of p24 signal!
24 is always progressive!
2:2, 3:3 or 5:5 pulldown has not been confirmed!
But you can enjoy 3:2 pulldown @ p60

well said! haha
i shouldve stuck that p in there in the first place.
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Hello everyone,
I have been looking into getting a 4065f for sometime now, but about a month or two ago I seen a press release about samsung releasing the 71 and 81 series. From what I gathered from the little information they had, it seemed like a nice upgrade was on its way so I decided to wait around and see what happened. Sure enough I found my way to AVS and have been trolling around for about 3-4 weeks reading this post and the 81 series post. Today I decided to head over to CC and see what they had on display and there was a 4671f on display next to a 4665f. I must say I was rather impressed with the picture quality of the 71f, even though their feed wasn't out putting HD quality pictures. I noticed a huge difference in clarity, as well as when the picture faded in and out allowing me to see how true the dark color was. Personally I cannot wait to see the 81 series, but I think it is going to be out of my price range as the 71 series already is.
I have read the post on lcd size vs viewing distance to get the best picture out of a 1080p resolution also. I am going to be about 5-7 feet away from the lcd. I must say ehe 46in ADDS a lot of viewing screen but tto justify the price tag, I think it kind of expensive.
I will probably hold out of a couple more weeks and see the 81 series in person, and hopefully by that time I can the 40in version of the 71/81 series on display.

I just wanted to post my first impression of the 4671f from CC today. Before people start asking technical question, I know a little more than the basics and have read up on a lot of the technical stuff. I do not know much about calibration and stuff beyond that.
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