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I'm selling my Samsung 52" LNT5281F tonight and thinking about buying the Sony 52"XBR4.Have any of you compared these tv's and if so which do you like more?
SONY's is not LED and has a Live Action feature..which is like the DRC they use to have on their tv features.

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Rickbbb,

lol, I just googled that set and It took me directly to your sale on OLX

Anyways,,,, just wondering why you are selling it? Also, why so cheap? I expect you could sell it and still get $500 more and move it pretty quick!

Dont have any feedback on the the Sony, sorry

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So it's just saying what it's accepting, not what it's displaying in, presumably?

Correct it says what it's recieving, becuase the display is always going to be 1920x1080@60hz.

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I'm selling my Samsung 52" LNT5281F tonight and thinking about buying the Sony 52"XBR4.Have any of you compared these tv's and if so which do you like more?
SONY's is not LED and has a Live Action feature..which is like the DRC they use to have on their tv features.

Why are you selling it?

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click on his name, and read his previous posts which explain why.

EDIT: maybe he deleted a post a or two or something, as I could have sworn he had gone into more detail about his dissatisfaction with his 81 in some prior post. Yes, an explanation would be nice.

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click on his name, and read his previous posts which explain why.

EDIT: maybe he deleted a post a or two or something, as I could have sworn he had gone into more detail about his dissatisfaction with his 81 in some prior post. Yes, an explanation would be nice.

Yeah i did that but the only thing i could find was that he didn't see the definition he was exspecting to see from HDTV.

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click on his name, and read his previous posts which explain why.

EDIT: maybe he deleted a post a or two or something, as I could have sworn he had gone into more detail about his dissatisfaction with his 81 in some prior post. Yes, an explanation would be nice.

Mood swings. He has gone through more changes of heart than a top transplant surgeon.
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Well,first of all,I had my tv for sale for $3,700.No one wanted to pay that !!! So i lowered the price and suprizingly have gotten about 11 responses.
Also,the place where i bought the tv-ABT Electronics told my buyer that they would let him buy an extended warranty on the tv he's buying from me as long as it's been atleast 30 days since I bought it.

The tv looks nice..picture in high def is nice...but I've owned quite a few HD TV's in the past 5 years and the sharpness on this set is lacking.I don't know if this flaw is caused by the LED feature or my Dish Network satelite company.
I've owned a Sony in the past-an LCD HDTV 46 inch XBR2..and the DRC function drove me NUTS ! Every time someone moved their head on the tv picture..the persons hair would glow or shine..it looked so un natural..but the colors on a Sony are beautiful ! But the backlight clouding issue turned me off about the set and the DRC.
The new SONY XBR4 has no DRC ..but might still have clouding problems I've heard.
What I liked about this Samsung I had ..there was no clouding.
It bothered me that this Samsung is advertised as having such a high contrast ratio..actually its a play on words.If you noticed when they describe the contrast ratio ..they write..100,000:1 DYNAMIC contrast ratio..so I guess when you have the picture on the very dark Dynamic ratio picture..which is a choice you'll find in your tv menu..it's not a sharp picture..just very dark...does NOT look like any 100,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio...and supposedly when its not on LED or Dynamic..your picture will be 2,000:1 contrast ratio. Its all double talk !!!

I'm a bit nervous about something..the Sony XBR4 has some similiar functions just like my Samsung-expect,no LED. It has that XYBYXXX color option in the menu and when you use the Live action feature it bumps the picture up to 18,000:1 contrast ratio and without that feature it goes to 2,000:1 contrast ratio.See..there are some similarities.So is SONY also giving us false dimentions and double talk just like Samsung???
have any of you compared the SONY XBR4 to Samsung's 81F ?

As a last ditch effort I bought an hdmi 1.3 cable and hoped it would make my picture sharper..it did
up to a point.I thought since this tv has HDMI 1.3 inputs it would be very compatable with an hdmi 1.3 cable...it was a bit better than using a regular hdmi cable.

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I don't know what it is that seems lacking exactly, but if you are comparing the sharpness to some of the Sony models then you might be chasing the overprocessed XBR sharpness that was also creating the artifacts you did not like.

You can say alot of things about the 81 series, but I can't imagine sharpness being one of the issues.
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With the SONY..did you mean the artifacts on the screen made people's hair glow..I noticed hair glowing and or shining when the DRC was on the SONY XBR2 ...is that considered an artifact ?
Also,in regards to me imagining a BETTER picture with the Samsung 81F..........it really was a big let down..it did NOT knock my socks off...or anything off.

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Err... yeah... that's why I'm taking pictures of the one sitting in my living room.

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Hey bearfun,

You live in the Vancouver area right? Which Futureshop did you see the sample of rgb LEDs. Is this the same store you bought your 81 from?

I guess I missed that news article, but the funny thing is we are still saying the same thing. It's over.

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Can anyone try and watch some HD golf and tell me if you see any ghost trails? Anything with high contrast and camera movement and action. I have only noticed it during the golf highlights in hd on espn.

Golf looked nasty this past weekend, but when I looked closely at my 32" LCD and 36" CRT displays I have, it looked nasty on them too, but you had to look more closely to see how bad it was. In my case at least, the 5281 is so much bigger than my other displays that the problems with bad broadcast feeds are magnified. With golf the problems seemed to be more prevalent with the mobile HD cameras they were using, which makes me wonder whether they are somehow more limited on transmission throughput or something, because they are mobile. Anyway, I don't blame the 5281; I blame the source.
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I have gone into the detailed settings, but do this, do all of your tweaking on movie mode and then go into the menu and switch back and forth between the movie mode you tweaked and the default dynamic and just look at the bottom part of the menu where the return buttons are white with a black shadow. Notice how much more depth the menu has on dynamic.

If anyone out there can provide settings in Movie mode that look comparable to Dynamic mode, it would be greatly appreciated. Oh, and to make it even more interesting, if you can make them comparable with Motion Plus turned on, we will crown you the King of Tweak.
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I got my HDMI 1.3 cables in today, what are you guys setting your hdmi black level to?

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Rickbbb,

lol, I just googled that set and It took me directly to your sale on OLX

Anyways,,,, just wondering why you are selling it? Also, why so cheap? I expect you could sell it and still get $500 more and move it pretty quick!

Dont have any feedback on the the Sony, sorry

By the way, those pictures on the OLX are actually pictures of my TV I posted in these forums, all except the picture with planet earth. Grumble grumble.
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Exactly

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I don't know what it is that seems lacking exactly, but if you are comparing the sharpness to some of the Sony models then you might be chasing the overprocessed XBR sharpness that was also creating the artifacts you did not like.

Correct. You can make the XBR4 look very sharp (overly so - to the point of un-natural looking IMHO) by cranking up the DRC Reality, Detail Enhancer and Edge Enhancer, in much the same way you can a really sharp (but un-natural looking IMHO) picture from a Samsung with DNIe on. With the XBRs many (if not most) people on AVS turn off DRC, Detail Enhancer and Edge Enhancer to get a smoother, more natural looking picture. Also, turning Detail Enhancer and Edge Enhancer and Noise Reduction off on the XBR helps reduce motion blurring.
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bigjohns1997SS: Is the information, that native 24p is not available, i.e. the panel does not run internally with 48, 72 or 96 Hz verified??? If so, this would be a no-go for me. Has anyone tried to run judder-test software via PC??

Imho, the confirmation that the panel can do 60 Hz only, would be the biggest draw back of this TV. AFAIK the prior models (xx71f) support 48 and 96 Hz natively...


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It bothered me that this Samsung is advertised as having such a high contrast ratio..actually its a play on words.If you noticed when they describe the contrast ratio ..they write..100,000:1 DYNAMIC contrast ratio..so I guess when you have the picture on the very dark Dynamic ratio picture..which is a choice you'll find in your tv menu..it's not a sharp picture..just very dark...does NOT look like any 100,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio...and supposedly when its not on LED or Dynamic..your picture will be 2,000:1 contrast ratio. Its all double talk !!!

wat r u talking about?the 100k1 native 500k1 dynamic is confirmed:
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Well, the label on the front of my television clearly states 500,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio. See the picture below. Also, I do believe this television is 60Hz, but I would not be surprised if this display uses the LED backlight at 120Hz to improve on the 3:2 pulldown. I've seen articles about an improvement on the 3:2 pulldown to display some frames at a lower light level. But, I can't confirm that this display is doing this. You would need to look at a true 24fps source (such as 1080p24) and compare to see what it is doing. And even then it would be difficult to tell. And it's anyone's guess as to what happens to a broadcast movie that was originally 24fps, then converted to 30fps for broadcast. Probably nothing. You're probably stuck with the broadcast 3:2 pulldown... Check out this article and read the section entitled "isn't that used in Fishing"

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wat r u talking about?the 100k1 native 500k1 dynamic is confirmed:


is it not?


He's saying that it's marketing BS, not that it isn't printed on the TV.
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He's saying that it's marketing BS, not that it isn't printed on the TV.



well these tv's are priced at similar amounts as the xbr4\\5- even if its a little better its worth it
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Rick, the Sony XBR 4/5 does have DRC 2.5. Shouldn't be any problem though if you copy some custom settings from the XBR 4/5 thread. You can find something wrong with any tv picture. The challenge is to focus on the good stuff Even when I look outside I see dirt sometimes.
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Ok I've gone to two Best Buy stores and took a look at the 81 set and honestly it looked ok. I'm really hoping it was the feed it was getting from the store. The last BB I went to this set was getting owned by an XBR3. Yeah an XBR 3 that was placed beside it. Don't ask me why they didn't have an XBR 4 but again the 81 was not looking that great.

Is anyone else having similar experiences? I really wanted to fall in love with the picture but walked away disappointed.
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I'm lovin' my 4681 so far, however, I'm not able to get any DirecTV HD or Dish HD action because of our neighbor's big ass trees being in the way.

So, we're forced to go with Comcast digital for now. And no, we're not going to pay for the HD channels upgrade because I can't get the NFL Sunday Ticket through them. We're just gonna go with what we got and enjoy the 81 as is for now, with some digital channels, some over the air HD channels, and watching DVD movies in HD, of course.

I'll be hooking it up to my computer and using it as a monitor soon, because even though I can't get DTV's Sunday Ticket over a dish in the yard, I was able to get the DirecTV guy to sell/create me an account, just so I can get football games over my internet connection onto my computer/4681. It's something new for 2007 that DirecTV has come out with, called SuperCast.
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Hey guys I think I might be getting this TV in the near future; I want to go with the 52" version, but it seems quite expensive at $5000! I've seen people saying they sold it for $3700, and I'd like to buy it for $4000 or under if possible. The 52" isn't even on amazon yet(and the 46" version is for $4000, so it would be hard to get it for $4000), but it is on sites like Bestbuy for $5000. Where should be the best place to get this TV, for the cheapest price?
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Sure, you can get the 52" for that price, 4000, probably next year. You want the newest and hottest toy from Samsung, LED, and you want to get it at the cheapest. Just so you know since I already replied to your post in another thread, these 81 series are in limited production from Samsung for high end electronic retailers so good luck trying to get a good deal right now.

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If my budget gets really stretched, I might just end up going with this
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LNT527...604189-5041200

My main focus is still the 81F, but this is a great alternative. IT doesn't go close to $4000, and leaves me more $ to get a good surround sound system and PS3. Do flat panel prices usually go down in Christmas time, or usually the next year?
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Ok I've gone to two Best Buy stores and took a look at the 81 set and honestly it looked ok. I'm really hoping it was the feed it was getting from the store. The last BB I went to this set was getting owned by an XBR3. Yeah an XBR 3 that was placed beside it. Don't ask me why they didn't have an XBR 4 but again the 81 was not looking that great.

Is anyone else having similar experiences? I really wanted to fall in love with the picture but walked away disappointed.

no your eyes don't lie, its overpriced and overhyped only thing it delivers that it promises is black. 71 and xbr4 will show a sharper deeper picture but they won't be able to show the same exact blacks. A few people on here can't look past the black no matter what the limitations of the 81 tv are. Now, every LCD is different and each one has its own problems. No tv out right now is king at being the best of class. One tv might be better at one thing but another will be better at another. You need to find the tv that performs best at what it does and what you plan to use it for. we all need a perfect lcd and I myself thought this tv was going to be it. Can't wait till next year for these new leds and later this year for the new mitusubishis to hit to see how those do as well. Right the top 120hz are looking like this
1. Sonyxbr4 and samsung 71 tied
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You need to understand one thing. Currently, Samsung is the only company that uses LED so basically they can control the price. When other companies introduce LED next year, then prices could go down. So, I doubt if the price will fall like crazy by the holiday seasons.

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