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Do you remember if, when you still had the 81, the viewing angles were relatively poor on that or not?

Thanks for all the help so far!
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Do you remember if, when you still had the 81, the viewing angles were relatively poor on that or not?

Thanks for all the help so far!

Still more of the up and down thing, the only problem with the 81 was at extreme angles, I would get bloom from the way the led's dimmed, so that mostly only showed up from all black with some lettering on the screen. Ok so I am walking all around my living room on both side of the tv's and they seem to hole up pretty well. Imagine the opposite of doing this on a dlp or lcd rear projector. That's what I see..

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Must agree the Toshiba has more details in these pic's poor Sharpjunkie will the shootout ever end? Soon we may be calling you the cross eyed Sharpjunkie. So where's the green push/tint we keep reading about?

Check out the spreadsheet in my sig for the lowdown on reported green push from LX owners. It is ofcourse a non-issue for me...

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Okay, snapped the same shot as sharpjunkie from Planet Earth off my Toshiba 46LX177. Here we go...

Samsung 71

XBR4

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I must say there is a lot more detail in the darker parts of the screen than this pic is showing, but this is the best I could get it. I am sure sharpjunkie is seeing a lot more on his screen than his pics represent as well. Oh yeah and the white shroom doesn't look as white crushed and blooming as it does in the pic.

The Toshiba seems really pixelated on the leaf below the mushroom--is that the TV, or the camera?
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I'd love some more gaming comparisons as well. A huge percentage of my purchase decision will be based on how good the 360 and PS3 perform on these sets. 360 dashboard shots, in-game shots, and such would be awesome!

Thanks SJ! This is an awesome thread!
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... Had me scared for a minute. Yeah theres a million things that those pictures don't pick up. You think that toshiba picture is good, you have to check out the actual movie. That whole mushroom and bug scene in the jungle with time lapse is amazing. At least 2 times better than the photagraphy skills of Teepanen. And at least 4 times better than my skills.

LOL, yeah its damn near impossible to get a 100% accurate pic. I'm glad to hear that you are seeing something close to what I am, from what I understand.

My pic should of course not be used to pass judgement on whether the LX is better than XBR or 71. Comparison based on those pics alone is not fair as there are too many variables here. My main point was just to illustrate that I think the LX can keep up with the big boys. I think the LX was more or less the winner from Robert's in store shoot-out. Granted, the XBR4 and the 71 were not there.

So sharpjunkie, when are you picking up that LX, hehe?

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Imagine the opposite of doing this on a dlp or lcd rear projector. That's what I see..

Thanks for the information, but I don't know what you mean by this last part, since I don't have much experience with RP sets...
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Haha those pics make the samsung and sony look blurry. Do I need to go buy the freakn Toshiba now, lol. Did you use a tripod?

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First of all-awesome post-I have been trying to find a direct comparison for days. I saw both sets at a local Visions store-but the store settings blew.
I just bought the 46XBR4-mostly for decreased gloss compared to the sammy.
I know you're still trying to figure the settings completely, but could you please post your ultimate settings (re:changes to settings from fresh out of the box) when you finish.
I need your HD mojo.
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Haha nice, been there done that ain't lookin back.


Well I am watching HD Jeopardy on both units right now and can say I don't see the noice. 71 in movie, xbr in custom. Now if I switch both to vivid I do see the noise you are talking about...

Is there any options on the Samsung for noise reduction?
The Sharp D62U's has Digital Noise Reduction (DVR) it made a HUGE difference when turned on.
I remember the Panasonic plasma's had Noise Reduction options as well.
Nothing like that on the Samsung?


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So more info. I am no longer using vivid on either set and have the 71 on movie and the xbr on custom. I can say that there is no difference now as far as sharpness is confirmed. Both set's look identical, it isn't until you put the xbr in vivid that you notice an increase in sharpness over the 71 as small as it may be. So the only thing I am noticing now is the xbr is crushing blacks.

Can turning on ANY of the Picture modes or options on the Samsung, absolutely anything at all like Vivid DNiE, even if they induce black crush get the sharpness on par with the Sony on Vivid?

That muddy low resolution on the 71 compared to the XBR & even the Toshiba has almost stopped me from going with the Samsung.
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The Toshiba seems really pixelated on the leaf below the mushroom--is that the TV, or the camera?

That's not pixelation, that's the detail on a crusty decaying leaf. You might be picking up some film grain but I doubt it.

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It must be just coming through in the picture, then, because I see a distinct gridlike pattern in that leaf. The vertical lines of the "grid" are much more prevalent than the horizontal.
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The comparison between those 3 TV's is not valid, unless you take them with the same camera. Sorry, I know a little about cameras.
Some cameras applying heavy sharpness in camera and it's a lot of other settings could be different: what aperture, shutter speed , ISO and so on. I can take those images to Photoshop and make them so sharp that you will run to the store to pick this set up
What I am trying to say , that Toshiba LX177 looks great, but can't be compared to XBR4 or 71f unless image taken with the same camera.
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got it my XBR4 image is close but white is cleaner i think camera is dulling it

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got it my XBR4 image is close but white is cleaner i think camera is dulling it


This almost looks like the LX177 pic. I just goes to show you can't go on screen shots alone to say one set is better then the other.

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The comparison between those 3 TV's is not valid, unless you take them with the same camera. Sorry, I know a little about cameras.
Some cameras applying heavy sharpness in camera and it's a lot of other settings could be different: what aperture, shutter speed , ISO and so on. I can take those images to Photoshop and make them so sharp that you will run to the store to pick this set up
What I am trying to say , that Toshiba LX177 looks great, but can't be compared to XBR4 or 71f unless image taken with the same camera.

I think Teepanen has the better camera. You should she is TMNT Blu-ray shots in the LX177 thread.

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This almost looks like the LX177 pic. I just goes to show you can't go on screen shots alone to say one set is better then the other.

Exactly! Good point.
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hehe mine is about a 3 year old Fuji S3000

no rain forcast here BTW


didnt get close enough sorry


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I just goes to show you can't go on screen shots alone to say one set is better then the other.

Blah i'm beginning to agree.
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hehe mine is about a 3 year old Fuji S3000

no rain forcast here BTW


didnt get close enough sorry


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Its really amazing how close the sets really are just a minor tweak this way or that can make them look almost identical. I have not noticed any blur/smearing on any sources








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I NEED PS3 comparison shots! please! thanks.

Game shots are hard to do, if you pause a menu comes up and if you take a pic during play it smears and streaks.
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Well, have we determined a winner here between the XBR and 71?!?! Somebody has to declare a winner.

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Whoa since when did the Sony XBR decide to use local dimming? Haha

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hehe mine is about a 3 year old Fuji S3000

no rain forcast here BTW


didnt get close enough sorry


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What are those 2 little dots on the screen shots? they are visible in each shot about middle of the screen on the top and one in the middle towards the bottom? Are those dead pixels?

Also I figured out what was making the sony seem sharper, there is a menu option that you can enable to off, low, med, high called detail enhancer. With this feature set to off, same exact picture as the samsung. With it set to high, increased detail like in the pics you saw of mine earlier. I was playing with it for about 10 minutes on a paused BD screen of the mushrooms, off, high, off, high, off, high, off, high, off, high.... that's about what I was doing for 10 minutes lol. It does make a slight difference.

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Well, have we determined a winner here between the XBR and 71?!?! Somebody has to declare a winner.


The winner is----------------------

The guy who gets a good unit and adjusts it properly

A green free Toshiba looks good

A cloud/mura free Sony looks good

A cloud/mura free Samsung looks good (not to me but outhers )
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Hawt ninja action! Thanks Sig!

More gaming pics please.
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Nope no dead pixels must be somthing on the lens or somthing. There is also 2 farther down 1 to the side of the Sony logo and 1 at the very bottom of the pics. Perhaps the Sony logo light reflecting off of lint ? They were not their in the first shot i took from Planet Earth.
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So the PS3 performs very well on both sets? This is a big concern to me in buying one of these. Thing is, I won't be able to afford a PS3 for awhile once I purchase the tv so I'd love some reassurance that the PS3, as well as the 360 in 1080, will perform well. Thanks to all!
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got it my XBR4 image is close but white is cleaner i think camera is dulling it

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Thanks for this picture...it was clear to me that shake in what Sharpiejunkies original shots.....to gauge the shake just look at the frozen pause icon....the Toshiba photographer had his shot perfect....much like yours. That is why nothing compares to Sharpjunkies both TVs in one shot pictures.

Slapping them together for easy comparison.....the front leaf looks more natural to me in the XBR
....what really needs confirming is the Sony shades the back tree with a green hue....while the Toshiba is more only brown.....Which is correct?

Toshiba

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PS please note the Sony emblem in this shot.....when you see a white hot glowing SONY emblem at the bottom of a picture.....its magnifying the light....and any claims of clouds.

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Still hoping to learn if this crop of sets can properly deinterlace a 1080i signal and can properly display 3:2. Looks like many sets aren't able to accomplish this feat with Sony and Sammy being among the offenders.

Here are test results from the 2006 crop.

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I've run the HQV tests on my XBR4 and it properly deinterlaces 1080i content. I'm beginning to wonder why people think this is a Sony problem. As was mentioned, out of the box the XBR4's have DRC Mode1 on in their "Vivid" mode, and this causes it to fail the resolution loss test. However, turning DRC to "off" rectifies this. Yes, it's quite silly that the out-of-the-box settings are causing resolution loss, but people who use out-of-the-box settings aren't likely to care about resolution loss in the first place, are they?

And I'm beginning to envy all of these great pics from XBR4s, Toshiba 77's and Samsung 71's even though I have an XBR4 with the same movies sitting in my living room. All I have to do is go rewatch them on my new set and I'll be in HD heaven just like everybody else, but I'm more compelled to come to the PC and look at the pics you guys post. Something must be wrong with me.

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