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Not sure if you guys still are interested but I tweaked my comcast settings a little more because I felt like the faces were a little too pink.

I also got my 360 over VGA to look good... I'll post the configs later if you guys like.

Pepsin, I know you like your HDMI, but if you have a VGA adapter available for the 360 I can give you some nice settings for it.
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Thanks guys, I appreciate your sentiments. If you don't mind, what are your VGA settings? I think I'd like to give them a whirl!
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Not sure if you guys still are interested but I tweaked my comcast settings a little more because I felt like the faces were a little too pink.

I also got my 360 over VGA to look amazing... I'll post the configs later if you guys like.

Pepsin, I know you like your HDMI, but if you have a VGA adapter available for the 360 I can give you some nice settings for it.

I am always interested in new configs to try out.
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ok, I'll post some new ones a little later today (I'm at work)
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Merebito, your settings for the PS3 gaming and for watching Blu ray movies have been the best. Have you made any changes to them? If so can you please post?
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ok, I'll post some new ones a little later today (I'm at work)

Hey merebito, do you think your settings will be good for TV cable with HDMI for the 32" S3000? or does any1 else have the best setting of TV Cable (SD and HD) connected through HDMI?

Note: my Tv 32s3000
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Merebito, your settings for the PS3 gaming and for watching Blu ray movies have been the best. Have you made any changes to them? If so can you please post?

Thanks Maverick. I did make one or two changes, I dropped the Blu-Ray sharpness to zero which seemed to remove grain from the video, and I think I may have set the noise reduction to low instead of off... That's off the top of my head. Overall though, I haven't made any new changes
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Hey merebito, do you think your settings will be good for TV cable with HDMI for the 32" S3000? or does any1 else have the best setting of TV Cable (SD and HD) connected through HDMI?

Note: my Tv 32s3000


I think what someone else was saying earlier in the thread was that the 32s3000 has an 8bit panel so slightly different color settings are needed. Perhaps they can give you some good advice.

Sorry I still haven't posted my configs, I've been really busy. I will soon though
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Does anyone else find watching hockey on their S3000 horrible. I have the 40 inch and use as my bedroom tv. I have never seen a worse tv with regards to watching hockey. I have calibrated it using DVE. No improvement. I also have a Sony 30XS955 HD Crt and it is flawless in regards to hockey.

I am looking to go to a new slim bezel 46 inch for my main tv and would consider the new Z series, but with how bad this tv does with hockey I dont want to chance it. I am leaning towards the new Toshibas or going with a Pioneer 4280.
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What specifically is bad about it?
Blurring, streaking, ghosting?

Do you have all the noise reductions, mpeg filters, and all that stuff turned off? Not that the TV is perfect, but leaving that stuff on makes blurring and stuff worse.
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Settings for Blu-ray/PS3

PS3 (Connected through HDMI):

Video Settings > BD/DVD Video Output Format: RGB
Display Settings > RGB Full Range (HDMI): Full
Display Settings > Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super-white (HDMI): Off (This only works when BD/DVD output is set to Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr)

40s3000:
Picture Mode: Cinema
Backlight: 4
Picture: 80
Brightness: 64
Color: 48
Hue: 0
Color Temp: Neutral
Sharpness: 5
Noise Red: Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off

Advanced Settings
Black Corrector: Low
Advanced C.E.: Off
Gama: Low
Clear White: Off
Color Space: Normal
Live Color: Off (greyed out)
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What specifically is bad about it?
Blurring, streaking, ghosting?

Do you have all the noise reductions, mpeg filters, and all that stuff turned off? Not that the TV is perfect, but leaving that stuff on makes blurring and stuff worse.

Color blobs, with Blurring, streaking, ghosting. All of them. I have all enhancements turned off. Other sports are much better. Other than hockey I am pretty happy with this tv for my bedroom tv. Just disappointed that a Sony would fare so poorly with hockey given, the flawless display my Sony HD Crt does.

Thanks to Kansas winning last night and winning $1300, I am replacing my 30inch Sony most likely this weekend and am deciding between the Pioneer 4280 and the Toshiba 46XF550. Am a little concerned about getting another LCD although the reports on the Toshiba for hockey are pretty good.
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Color blobs, with Blurring, streaking, ghosting. All of them. I have all enhancements turned off. Other sports are much better. Other than hockey I am pretty happy with this tv for my bedroom tv. Just disappointed that a Sony would fare so poorly with hockey given, the flawless display my Sony HD Crt does.

Thanks to Kansas winning last night and winning $1300, I am replacing my 30inch Sony most likely this weekend and am deciding between the Pioneer 4280 and the Toshiba 46XF550. Am a little concerned about getting another LCD although the reports on the Toshiba for hockey are pretty good.

Please keep the conversation to s3000 calibrations, why would we want to talk about Pioneer or Toshiba tv's in this thread? Lets stay on track guys. You left very little information to help troubleshoot your issue.

By the way, still sorry for not posting new configs.
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Time for my dunce cap. My solution for DIRECTV HD with HDMI is to utilize the Standard, Cinema, and Vivid settings.

I won't post the settings since they're similar to what others have posted, but I use Standard for HD channels and SD ones. Vivid is only for HD channels, and works best with sports. My Cinema settings have taken care of older SD content that looks a little low-res and grainy. Typically, when a broadcast doesn't look right on Standard, I just hit the Picture button to go to Cinema and it looks clear. Yay.

I believe I'm finally satisfied.
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Hey gang,

I JUST started a wiki for calibration setting for the XBR at:
http://tjexbr.wiki.zoho.com/HomePage.html

Feel free to add a section for the bravia s3000

http://tjexbr.wiki.zoho.com/ for your list of XBR calibration settings
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What are the best setting for plain analog TV?

Still waiting for HD here.


Anyone have settings for a popcorn player (or any similar sigma design chip player) with hdmi?

THanks

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What are the best setting for plain analog TV?

Still waiting for HD here.


Anyone have settings for a popcorn player (or any similar sigma design chip player) with hdmi?

THanks

Leslie

Wow, I'm actually unsure about analog just because I haven't had the need to try it out - sorry!

What I'm amazed about is the Popcorn Hour A-100 Network Media Tank --- Awesome! If I buy one of these, which I very well may - I will let you know
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I also wanted to apologize again for not updating my configs...

One thing has been time, but mainly I don't want to post them again until I'm sure that I am done tweaking my picture completely.

Does anyone have any good sound tweaks?
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My biggest problem with the picture is during the daylight hours, if I am getting a good analog signal at night the picture is bearable, but in the day it seems washed out.

Any suggestions for daytime settings?

Also your settings for a blueray player works for popcorn, especially with 720p x264 mkv files.

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My biggest problem with the picture is during the daylight hours, if I am getting a good analog signal at night the picture is bearable, but in the day it seems washed out.

Any suggestions for daytime settings?

Also your settings for a blueray player works for popcorn, especially with 720p x264 mkv files.

Leslie


Hey Leslie,

Number one suggestion to you, though you may not want to do it, would be to create a secondary color profile. So if you could say use 'Standard' for daytime, and Cinema for night. Adjust each profile accordingly and then just change your color profile on the fly.

I'd stay away from Vivid though, since you lose alot of the contrast or color space tweaks

Good to know that about the popcorn \\ blu-ray colors. Very cool!
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Can someone post their calibration settings for SD content (i.e. analog cable)?
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I used Merebito's and another one on this thread (I can't remember which) and they seem perfect for SD. I just adjusted the sharpnes because I like pictures to be crisp.

Thanks for the settings everyone, my TV quality looks way better than with my eyeballing.
Anyone know why Vivid only allows cool and neutral though? Seems a bit odd if you ask me.
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Better late than never right? Sorry this took literally forever.

I think all of these configs look amazing, I believe I have Cinemotion turned on for all settings because it should only affect things that are 24fps anyways. For the PS3 I recommend using more than one color profile


Tivo HD - HDMI

Tivo Video Smoothing: Off
Tivo Display Output mode: 720p Hybrid
Tivo Aspect Ratio: 16:9
Tivo Aspect Correction Mode: Panel

Picture Mode: Cinema

Backlight: 3
Picture: 80
Brightness: 53
Color: 42
Hue: 0
Color Temp: Neutral
Sharpness: Min
Noise Reduction: Off
MPEG Reduction: Off

Black Corrector: Low
Advanced CD: Off
Gamma: Off
Clear White: Off
Color Space: Wide
Live Color: Low

PS3 Blu-Ray Movies- HDMI (used both day & night)

HDMI RGB Range (on PS3) set to: Full

Picture Mode: Cinema

Backlight: 3
Picture: 78
Brightness: 50
Color: 53
Hue: 0
Color Temp: Neutral
Sharpness: Min
Noise Reduction: Low
MPEG Reduction: Off

Black Corrector: Off
Advanced CD: Off
Gamma: Off
Clear White: High
Color Space: Wide
Live Color: Off

PS3 Games - HDMI (used both day & night)

HDMI RGB Range (on PS3) Set to Full

Picture Mode: Standard

Backlight: 6
Picture: 90
Brightness: 63
Color: 58
Hue: 0
Color Temp: Neutral
Sharpness: 1
Noise Reduction: Off
MPEG Reduction: Off

Black Corrector: Low
Advanced CD: Low
Gamma: Low
Clear White: Off
Color Space: Wide
Live Color: High

PS3 - HDMI - SD DVD

(In Reference to the PS3 SD DVD playback): I sometimes adjust the Backlight or Picture for time of day so my eyes don't bleed late at night

Picture Mode: Vivid

Backlight: 2
Picture: Min
Brightness: 48
Color: 60
Hue: 0
Color Temp: Neutral

Sharpness: Min
Noise Reduction: Med
MPEG Noise Reduction: Med


Xbox 360 Gaming & Video - VGA CABLE (used both day & night)

Picture Mode: Video

RGB: Intermediate (In 360's Display settings)

Backlight: 4
Picture: 94
Brightness: 45
Color Temp: Cool


Sorry that took so long to deliver, but I'm a very busy person. Cheers, I hope this helps some of you.
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Merebito, you should have the RGB set to limited. Recent evidence on the xbr4/5 thread has shown the RGB full is for computer monitors and limited is for HDTVs. Thanks for the settings, I can't wait to try it out.
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Better late than never right? Sorry this took literally forever.

I think all of these configs look amazing, I believe I have Cinemotion turned on for all settings because it should only affect things that are 24fps anyways. For the PS3 I recommend using more than one color profile


Comcast HD & SD signals, "Motorolla DCT3416 I" HD DVR - HDMI (used both day & night)

Picture Mode: Cinema

Backlight: 3
Picture: 80
Brightness: 50
Color: 50
Hue: 0
Color Temp: Neutral
Sharpness: Min
Noise Reduction: Med
MPEG Reduction: Off

Black Corrector: Off
Advanced CD: Off
Gamma: Off
Clear White: Off
Color Space: Normal
Live Color: Off

Thanks Cyberbri, I used your Comcast settings as a base and just modified it a little to my tastes

PS3 Blu-Ray Movies- HDMI (used both day & night)

HDMI RGB Range (on PS3) set to: Full

Picture Mode: Cinema

Backlight: 3
Picture: 78
Brightness: 50
Color: 53
Hue: 0
Color Temp: Neutral
Sharpness: Min
Noise Reduction: Low
MPEG Reduction: Off

Black Corrector: Off
Advanced CD: Off
Gamma: Off
Clear White: High
Color Space: Wide
Live Color: Off

PS3 Games - HDMI (used both day & night)

HDMI RGB Range (on PS3) Set to Full

Picture Mode: Standard

Backlight: 6
Picture: 90
Brightness: 63
Color: 58
Hue: 0
Color Temp: Neutral
Sharpness: 1
Noise Reduction: Off
MPEG Reduction: Off

Black Corrector: Low
Advanced CD: Low
Gamma: Low
Clear White: Off
Color Space: Wide
Live Color: High

PS3 - HDMI - SD DVD

(In Reference to the PS3 SD DVD playback): I sometimes adjust the Backlight or Picture for time of day so my eyes don't bleed late at night

Picture Mode: Vivid

Backlight: 2
Picture: Min
Brightness: 48
Color: 60
Hue: 0
Color Temp: Neutral

Sharpness: Min
Noise Reduction: Med
MPEG Noise Reduction: Med


Xbox 360 Gaming & Video - VGA CABLE (used both day & night)

Picture Mode: Video

Backlight: 4
Picture: 71
Brightness: 71
Color Temp: Cool

I've noticed that the 360 isn't very consistent w/ this TV for some reason... However, that being said; with the above settings the videos look very good, and every game I can find can look great if you adjust the brightness in the games settings.

Sorry that took so long to deliver, but I'm a very busy person. Cheers, I hope this helps some of you.

I forgot to tell you. For the PS3 your settings should be RGB set to limited and the super white turned on. This also means that you will need to recalibrate your tv again with these settings on the PS3. I hope you will recalibrate and post your new settings. I will also be trying to find some good settings.
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Thanks Maverick,

I'll give it a try to see what I come up with. I researched it a bit on the web and found some interesting stuff...
Here's a quote from http://www.hdtvorg.co.uk/reviews/lcd...dl-40s3000.htm

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There is no 'x.v.Colour' on the KDL-40S3000 (x.v.Colour is based on xvYCC, a new international standard for video signals that defines a colour space nearly two times wider than the existing sRGB standard) but it does come equipped with LIVE COLOUR CREATION which is Sony's integrated solution for wider colour reproduction.

WCG-CCFL (backlight) technology allows the KDL-40S3000 to achieve approximately 95% of the NTSC (National Television System Committee) video signal colour gamut – representing a 140% improvement on LCD TVs that feature traditional fluorescent backlights. WCG-CCFL incorporates a different type of luminescent material to produce more accurate and deeper reds and greens

By combining the BRAVIA ENGINE and WCG-CCFL backlight technology, Sony claim to provide far truer and more accurate colour tones for enhanced picture depth and clarity.

To me this says while it may not have the full RGB by default, it comes close to replicating it...

Also, I found this pertaining to RGB Full vs Limited.
Found on http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=75181

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Quote:
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If you are using a monitor then you will benefit from "Full" because they are designed to display pc generated images which utilise the full RGB colour space (i.e. 0 is black, 255 is white). In TV sets this is not necessarily the case because they are designed to display broadcast images which have a restricted colour space which conforms to some CCIR standard (601 if I remember from my video editing days). The reason is that broadcasting colours at frequencies outside of that range tends to cause interference with other channels. What happens then is that the colour space is clipped - anything outside of that range is simply set to the legal minimum (legal meaning the valid minimum as per the CCIR specification). I think for black the colours cut off for RGB 14 - so anything which is less than that is simply shown as pure black - no amount of contrast or brightness changing will alter that.


After the past few days since the update people are talking about how great it is, AND IT IS GREAT - but for a lot of people they are robbing themselves of a lot of resolution/shadow detail, and like I said, the vast majority of games and movies are not fully lit, so there are shadows (or rather the "color" black) everywhere all the time and you will be "crushing" the parts that do have it, thus taking out actual detail.

So, while the KDL-40s3000 does not necessarily support the 'FULL' RGB, it tries compensate for it with Color Space being wide. This may be why (even though I didn't realize it at the time), I chose Color Space: Wide in my PS3 settings. It also comes close to explaining why Clear White was disabled, because it may have crushed my blacks, though I'm not totally sure on that since I am going off memory.

All that being said; I will try out settings with limited RGB and post them if I can find a good setting. Thanks for bringing this to my attention; I definitely want the best picture I can get. Since RGB Limited seems as though it may be more 'compatible' i.e. not needing to use the Color Space: Wide technology it may be preferable.

I guess I'll just have to see aye
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Thanks Maverick,

I'll give it a try to see what I come up with. I researched it a bit on the web and found some interesting stuff...
Here's a quote from http://www.hdtvorg.co.uk/reviews/lcd...dl-40s3000.htm



To me this says while it may not have the full RGB by default, it comes close to replicating it...

Also, I found this pertaining to RGB Full vs Limited.
Found on http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=75181



So, while the KDL-40s3000 does not necessarily support the 'FULL' RGB, it tries compensate for it with Color Space being wide. This may be why (even though I didn't realize it at the time), I chose Color Space: Wide in my PS3 settings. It also comes close to explaining why Clear White was disabled, because it may have crushed my blacks, though I'm not totally sure on that since I am going off memory.

All that being said; I will try out settings with limited RGB and post them if I can find a good setting. Thanks for bringing this to my attention; I definitely want the best picture I can get. Since RGB Limited seems as though it may be more 'compatible' i.e. not needing to use the Color Space: Wide technology it may be preferable.

I guess I'll just have to see aye

I'm glad I can be helpful. You've helped me out with your settings so its the least I could do. If you do come up with new settings with RGB set to "limited" could you please post them. Thanks in advance. I will also post any settings I can find.
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I'm glad I can be helpful. You've helped me out with your settings so its the least I could do. If you do come up with new settings with RGB set to "limited" could you please post them. Thanks in advance. I will also post any settings I can find.

Cool... This actually explains why my 360 has a hard time via the VGA PC input on this TV. It's (probably) trying to push @ full RGB w/ Expanded blacks and the tv is crushing the blacks...

Guess I'll have to give component a try again down the road, even though I'm fairly content w/ the 360 over VGA right now... (Wish I had the HDMI 360)
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I run PS3 with RGB as limited, although for movies I use YPbPr and Super White on.

In the TV, I have color space set to wide and have calibrated the brightness (black level) to match my output devices' black levels.

Xbox 360 over VGA has 3 black level settings. One passes blacker than black BTB (like in the THX Dropshadow screens on THX DVDs - very handy), one partially passes it, and I think the third clips it. Using VGA, I personally suggest setting it to the setting that passes BTB and turning down the Brightness (black level) to match.

The 360's black level settings when using component cables should only affect 480 and DVD output.
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Originally Posted by cyberbri View Post

I run PS3 with RGB as limited, although for movies I use YPbPr and Super White on.

In the TV, I have color space set to wide and have calibrated the brightness (black level) to match my output devices' black levels.

Xbox 360 over VGA has 3 black level settings. One passes blacker than black BTB (like in the THX Dropshadow screens on THX DVDs - very handy), one partially passes it, and I think the third clips it. Using VGA, I personally suggest setting it to the setting that passes BTB and turning down the Brightness (black level) to match.

The 360's black level settings when using component cables should only affect 480 and DVD output.


Thanks Cyber, sounds like you're pretty knowledgeable about the subject.

Are you saying that every time you go to play a movie you change the PS3's settings to allow for YPbPr & Super White?
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