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I've been shopping and researching for 3 months and just bought this Olevia 65" 265T FHD LCD HDTV. I love this TV! The picture is spectacular. The price is unbeatable.

The only thing I don't like about it, is the weight. I caution you if you try to move it. But, that's only an issue when I moved it and try to find a stand for it. For the next several years, I won't think of the weight again.

My brother bought a new Sharp LCD and I think the Olevia is just as good as his and all of the LCDs that I've checked out. In fact, at the store, they played the same "Planet Earth" Blu Ray on the Sony Bravia and the Olevia, and they looked equally good. When Olevia's picture is this good and the price is so low, it's unbelievable.

I'm thinking of getting a TV stand made by Init. You can search for it on BestBuy's website by searching "NT-C1201". Can anybody tell me what their experience is with Init and glass top stands?? Init claims that this can hold up to 300 lbs. Can a glass top really hold up that much weight (even if it has a thin steel tubing around the perimeter)??? I just find it hard to believe.

I was sold on Plasma in the initial part of my research, because of the supposed faster response, blacker blacks, etc. However, I noticed that most of the stores showed dark movies on the Plasmas in dark rooms. The bright videos with the stunning colors were on the LCDs. When the Plasma was beside the LCD, the LCD had whiter whites and better color. I've never noticed any problem with picture quality because of the supposed slower response in LCD. Overall, the picture looks better on an LCD.

So, when almost no other manufacturer makes a 65" LCD, this makes the Olevia even more fantastic.

cleshock,

Can you elaborate on why you think Syntax-Brillian might go away. According to Yahoo Finance, their revenue exploded from 2.7M in 2004 to 192M in 2006 to 697M in 2007, with $29M profit in 2007.

Their current assets is twice their current liabilities. Total assets is 2.5 x total liabilities.

These financials look pretty good and it looks like their experiencing significant growth.
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Billy Bags stands - www.billybags.com
http://www.billybags.com/productsfr.html

I like the the PRO-1.55 or PRO-68 for my SRXD which I'll replace with
the 765 IF it ever makes production.

Yes, BB's are expensive, but I believe you get what you pay for.
Shop around a bit and you should be able to bargain for 20-25%
off of MSRP.

I have (5) PRO-30's, (2) PRO-54-3 and will likely buy 2-3 more BB's
to finish things out. I use the PRO-30's as TV stands and to hold the
DISH DVR's and DVD players, etc. I always get the 4" PRO casters -
makes moving things about (for cleaning) so easy.

Like everything else in life, it's a value judgment.

Good Luck! And I'm envy your new toy (the 265)!

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Don't get me wrong, I've bought this set, thought it looked great at SC, especially since it was sitting next to a Pioneer plasma, and it made the pio look dark and dull, compared to the bright whites and strong colors. I am wall mounting it Saturday morning, and Comcast is scheduled to bring in a hi-def dvr box that morning as well. I can't wait!

But as I mentioned, this company has very significant issues before it financially. One look at the stock price chart will tell you that (the ticker is BRLC, the price has plummeted from $10 a year ago to less than $1 today). They have yet to file their 4Q07 financial results (should have done so by Feb 15th), and are in default on one (or more) of their loans (and in violation of their covenants). I don't know if they will survive or not, but its unfortunately a risk that all of us should be aware of. One could argue that the price on this 65 inch unit is cash flow pricing, i.e. cutting ones price just to stimulate near-term cash flow generation, but with little or no margin. Just get me through another month is the premise.

In the past two weeks two different wall street firms have dropped coverage of the stock (merrill lynch and Breen, Murray, Carret & Co.), and both cite concerns over the ability of the company to function as a going concern. I've pasted in a few comments from the BMC report below. I hope they or their lenders are able to get through the financial difficulty, as their product quality and price cannot be beat. Even with this issue, I feel secure having bought from SC, and buying their extended warranty.


Discontinuing Coverage
With this note, we are terminating our coverage of Syntax-Brillian
Corporation (BRLC) effective immediately. Investors should no longer rely
on previously published recommendations or estimates.
Syntax-Brillian's recent Form 8-K filing (dated February 14, 2008) indicated
that the company has failed to fulfill its obligations with a number of its
lender's requirements, including default of payment, inadequate reporting and
failure to meet the requirements of minimum adjusted working capital. As
such, the company has entered into a second amendment with lenders and
Silver Point Finance, LLC, which tightly restricts the company's access to
additional capital financing while requiring Syntax-Brillian to provide weekly
reports, reconciliations and assessments to the lenders. Consequently, though
it appears that Syntax-Brillian's Olevia-branded televisions continue to sell
well in the U.S. and expand into additional retailers, the company's
substantially weakened financial position will likely inhibit its ability to meet
its operational objectives, in our view.

In hindsight, Syntax-Brillian is a company that we misunderstood. On the
one hand, our checks with retailers previously indicated that the company
was gaining brand recognition and rapidly expanding sales in North America.
Additionally, our checks with suppliers in Asia had led us to believe the
company had a solid manufacturing ecosystem. On the other hand, however,
Syntax-Brillian had poorly managed its accounts receivables, which led to a
series of working capital constraints, which forced the company to
continually find additional financings, which contributed to a substantial
reduction of shareholder's equity. As such, Syntax-Brillian is a case in which
the company's business prospects (demand, shipment and manufacturing)
appeared fundamentally strong, but its financial position (accounts
receivables, cash flows and shareholder's equity) met a downward spiral.
Therefore, given the many uncertainties and hardships surrounding Syntax-
Brillian, we believe it is no longer practicable for us to publish financial
estimates on the company's business.
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I've been shopping and researching for 3 months and just bought this Olevia 65" 265T FHD LCD HDTV. I love this TV! The picture is spectacular.

Its a pleasant surprise when somebody believes their own eyes over intense marketing campaigns.
Did you read this thread?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=995363

The name brand 65" displays are $8-10K with their image degrading 120Hz processing so I think you made the correct choice and saved a bundle. I'm still waiting for that 3K price point, as the 55" is now only $1700 at Microcentrer.
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Ok, I hooked this monster up to my laptop using a 12' VGA cable. Was told the picture might not look good due to lower resolution. WRONG! The picture looked great and I enjoyed surfing the web on a 65 inch monitor.
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I am ready to purchase either 265 or 747i. Want to make sure that the OTA tuner delivers 5.1 instead of just PCM.

had to return a 247 because I was not getting 5.1 from TV broadcast via my antenna.
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I am ready to purchase either 265 or 747i. Want to make sure that the OTA tuner delivers 5.1 instead of just PCM.

had to return a 247 because I was not getting 5.1 from TV broadcast via my antenna.

How'd you know?

Most stations aren't equipped to send DD5.1 signals properly, and then it's only program specific.

Did you try FOX, which tries to standardize DD5.1?

Also, you need a pretty good antenna to pick up the multichannels.

And you need a receiver to decode them.
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My Samsung 5679 LED RPTV is connected to a Samsung HTIB & I get 5.1 from PBS, NBC etc...

When I bought the Olevia 247TFHD I was unable to get 5.1 with same set up.
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Well then.

I think you need to do a fair bit of Tom Foolery to get dd5.1 working.


I believe there is an unchecked setting in the service menu under the ATI tuner(s) that looks like it may enable dd5.1 through the optical out.

Maybe someone else can confirm as I'm not near my TV at the moment.



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My Samsung 5679 LED RPTV is connected to a Samsung HTIB & I get 5.1 from PBS, NBC etc...

When I bought the Olevia 247TFHD I was unable to get 5.1 with same set up.

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Yeh,

I hate to say this, but I think Syntax Brillian's days are numbered, at least where the SEC is concerned.

They could still survive as a company, but I predict that they're about to get delisted, via way of their very bad management of their account receivables, and their continuously horrendous stock performance.

They need to get above 1..soon, otherwise.... Adios, sayonara, Farewell, and Goodbye.

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Discontinuing Coverage
With this note, we are terminating our coverage of Syntax-Brillian
Corporation (BRLC) effective immediately. Investors should no longer rely
on previously published recommendations or estimates.
Syntax-Brillian's recent Form 8-K filing (dated February 14, 2008) indicated
that the company has failed to fulfill its obligations with a number of its
lender's requirements, including default of payment, inadequate reporting and
failure to meet the requirements of minimum adjusted working capital. As
such, the company has entered into a second amendment with lenders and
Silver Point Finance, LLC, which tightly restricts the company's access to
additional capital financing while requiring Syntax-Brillian to provide weekly
reports, reconciliations and assessments to the lenders. Consequently, though
it appears that Syntax-Brillian's Olevia-branded televisions continue to sell
well in the U.S. and expand into additional retailers, the company's
substantially weakened financial position will likely inhibit its ability to meet
its operational objectives, in our view.

In hindsight, Syntax-Brillian is a company that we misunderstood. On the
one hand, our checks with retailers previously indicated that the company
was gaining brand recognition and rapidly expanding sales in North America.
Additionally, our checks with suppliers in Asia had led us to believe the
company had a solid manufacturing ecosystem. On the other hand, however,
Syntax-Brillian had poorly managed its accounts receivables, which led to a
series of working capital constraints, which forced the company to
continually find additional financings, which contributed to a substantial
reduction of shareholder's equity. As such, Syntax-Brillian is a case in which
the company's business prospects (demand, shipment and manufacturing)
appeared fundamentally strong, but its financial position (accounts
receivables, cash flows and shareholder's equity) met a downward spiral.
Therefore, given the many uncertainties and hardships surrounding Syntax-
Brillian, we believe it is no longer practicable for us to publish financial
estimates on the company's business.

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Very sad. I was really thinking about buying the 765H when it was released. Now, I'm not sure it will ever get released or if I want to buy from a company that seems to have such bad management.
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very sad indeed.

However less than a grand for a thousand shares is an absolute bargain........

...if Brillian hangs on.
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I have a problem with the Olevia 265 FHD LCD TV. The problem is that when the dark spot is moving rapidly it leaves a bright red trace. Not a long trace, it's a really small but noticeable one.
For example: when person speak while moving head, the inside of mouth or nostrils (dark spot) is leaving bright red trace.
I've contacted Olevia and they replace the TV without any hesitation. I received the new one yesterday. But the same problem still exists. I've check the picture with cable top HD box and two different DVD players with no difference. Here is my setup:
Top cable box - Explorer 4250 HD by Scientific Atlanta, connected through HDMI, provider Cablevision.
Philips and Sansui DVD players. I've tested the TV connecting through Component and Composite cables.
I called Olevia today and was on the phone with a tech support over half an hour. They offered me a new TV again. But I think it's a manufacturer's defect since second TV have the same problem.
The tech guy said that they will test the TV with the cable box and DVDs that I have and will get back to me with findings if any.
Maybe someone on this forum can help me or have the same type of problem?
I've bought this TV a month ago from SAMS club. Before I'm going to return TV back to the store I decide to put post on this forum.

My XBR4 does the same thing with dark objects. This is the firm time I've ever seen something like this on a modern LCD. Only hold 25ms panels would leave trails like this.

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Newegg matches Sam's now cause the new MSRP is $3500 direct from Olevia:
http://www.olevia.com/en-us/Products...HDLCDHDTV.aspx

its funny to see prices so out of touch with reality:
http://www.google.com/products?q=Ole...oducts&show=dd
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well if thats MSRP I would think Sams has to drop their price soon??
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Olevia has it listed as a special mark down for the same price as Sam's Club.
http://www.olevia.com/en-us/Products...HDLCDHDTV.aspx
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I'll be checking Sams this week to see. I bought mine about three weeks ago. We'll see what there price drop policy really is. If its a steep drop, Ill just return the first one and buy a new one. MIght have to buy a new warranty for$200, but if the drop is $400 or $500, it would be worth it.
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I just picked up one of these. The box is massive and the set is very heavy. I never knew how heavy 230 lbs was. The picture is crisp, bright, and the colors are vivid. The black level is not the best (in general, I have no idea how it compares to other LCDs, plus I can't notice it at all unless the screen is pure black and the room is dark), but that aspect doesn't matter at all to me. It's a great deal. It replaced a 65" DLP projection TV and is definitely much brighter, much better in bright rooms, much more crisp, and doesn't have any silk screen effects. I'm very pleased, in case you can't tell.
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I just bought one of these yesterday. The picture is fantastic with a 1080p source! I am very happy with it, although I noticed it has 2 stuck (not dead) pixels. You can only see them as you get close to the television, but not when I am sitting on my couch watching it. It was very difficult to move this thing due to the size and weight of it, so I don't want to exchange it if I don't have to...does anyone have any personal experience with correcting stuck pixels? I am guessing that even if I exchange it, I could easily get another one with stuck pixels. Also, for those that used the levelmount wall mount from Samsclub - did you mount it to three studs or two? Thanks for any info...this forum was the key to my purchasing this television!

By the way, I replaced a 720p Toshiba 62" DLP television with this one, and the picture is dramatically better on the Olevia!
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LCDs aren't the best with black levels as the light source is constant and behind the panel that permeates it through the color shifting pixels. But there's some light leakage, ergo no real black, only grey.

The higher contrast ratios boost the whites to make the dark greys darker.

A good contrast ratio e.g. 1600:1 can make these greys in contrasted highlighted scenes actually appear black.

But nothing can be done to enhance an all black scene other then lowing the backlight.

Some Samsungs and others intelligently, automatically and quickly cycle off/on the backlight when the color processor idles to 'enhance the illusion' of blacker blacks.

To to say that the black level is not the best is due to the LCD tech and NOT because this TV has the Olevia badge <-- which actually uses top tier panels.


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The black level is not the best (in general, I have no idea how it compares to other LCDs, plus I can't notice it at all unless the screen is pure black and the room is dark), but that aspect doesn't matter at all to me. l.

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I looked at one of these yesterday at my local Sam's Club. It was sitting right next to a Sony Bravia 52". The picture looked horrible (very washed out) compared to the Sony. I fiddled with the settings a bit, but couldn't make it much better. I was surprised that there was THAT much difference, I wonder if there's something wrong with the set, or the feed to it...

EDIT: Another possibility is viewing angle, the set was above eye level (as was the Sony, but maybe this panel has a more restrictive viewing angle?)
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The washed out PQ is likely due to the user brightness and/or the backlight up too high.
Also, it was probably in Store demo mode with the scorching mode and the more limited available settings.

The Sony was likely in dynamic mode which boosts the contrast and raises and lowers the back light depending on the scene to create a more interesting illusion.

The Panel from the 265 is made from Sharp, so it's not any worse then Samsung/Sony.

And the visual effect can be similar with similar static settings.

Saying all that; Yes the viewing angle position is critical as the sharp panels tend to suffer a shorter viewing angle threshold for optimum quality.
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I looked at one of these yesterday at my local Sam's Club. It was sitting right next to a Sony Bravia 52". The picture looked horrible (very washed out) compared to the Sony. I fiddled with the settings a bit, but couldn't make it much better. I was surprised that there was THAT much difference, I wonder if there's something wrong with the set, or the feed to it...

I also had the exact same experience at my local Samsclub. However, I couldn't believe there could be such a difference is picture quality, so I looked behind the the sets and I noticed that the Sony was connected thru HDMI and the Olevia was connected thru component cables. That explains a great deal of the diference in picture quality. I have both Olevia and Sharp lcd's at home. The Olevia is a very good set, but it is not as good as the Sharp.
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I also had the exact same experience at my local Samsclub. However, I couldn't believe there could be such a difference is picture quality, so I looked behind the the sets and I noticed that the Sony was connected thru HDMI and the Olevia was connected thru component cables. That explains a great deal of the diference in picture quality. I have both Olevia and Sharp lcd's at home. The Olevia is a very good set, but it is not as good as the Sharp.

Yeah, I thought that for a second too, but then I looked at the grass on a golf scene on the Sony- the color was way way over saturated. (not that the Sony can't be adjusted, but you have to compare apples)
My Sams had this in a row with several other models, and I wouldn't hesitate to buy this model, price aside. The other Olevias are a different story, but they don't have the same guts. Think of it like buying a compaq with a Duo core versus a celeron chip.

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Same Olevia 265 or a different model?

Due to Sharp having the facilities to mass produce larger than 52" panels unlike LG, Only the 265 has the Sharp panel whose PQ *should* be equal to and in some cases better then a branded Sharp (due to the REALTA processor) with similar color temperature, brightness, backlight and contrast user settings.

I'm not familiar with Sharp, but as a top tier brand that competes head on with Sony and Samsung, I'd assume they use the same auto-backlight dimmer/brightener and scorching white tricks to increase the 'apparent' black levels while maintaining vividness, which seems to appease the average watcher.

Syntax, probably in their wisedom to remain competitive while issuing quality products, did away with these parlor tricks and just concentrated on catering to the more advanced videophile who cares more about natural colors, maximum detail, proper motion cadences, proper noise reduction, proper scaling, etc. than a retina piercing image.

Unfortunately, it seems that this market is a lot smaller then the typical consumer who likes sticking with the bigger brands while having their eyes experience pain and near blindness with inferior PQ processor and overworking color processing.

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^^^ I thought it was a Philips glass panel behind the 747i screen (although I always assumed it was an LG since they're the only major brand besides Philips selling HDTV's at 47" size).
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The Sony Bravia they have sitting next to the 265 is a 120hz model also. I to played with the 265. I was able to dial them close enough. The one thing I couldnt figure out was how to turn the IDEA setting back on once I turned it off. I will be getting this in the next week or so just wondering whoever has this on the wall which mount have you used? As most of you who have seen this thing in person can attest that hanging this thing on a wall is the best way but it is damn heavy!
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Other people in this thread have used the wall mount they have at SC (from levelmount.com), which I also have. I wanted to know if this could be mounted on two wall studs, or would it require three? I am not sure what the other folks in this thread have done, but it would be bad if this fell...Two would be much easier than three, though...
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Phillips doesn't solely make LCD panels.

Years ago, Phillips partnered with LG to co invest in LG.Phillips - the collaborative brand of LCD panels from their facilities in South Korea.

This became very successful and was the number one global supplier of high quality panels, supplying everyone from the tier one LCD monitor brands (Apple, Dell, etc) to Toshiba, JVC and of course Olevia and many other brands with panels.

All was well, the monies were flowing, everyone was drunk and high with glee and greed.

One of LGs marketing blokes had the adversity to suggest building a post 5.5 gen facility for the 52" and above market - Which Phillips promptly denied due to a more lucrative market for the 42" and under panels especially in the age of Sharp and Samsung not seeing ROIs in their next 'gen' plants.

Suddenly, the sky broke, the floods came, and both Samsung and Sharp developed better economies of scale allowing the market for those panels to grow, thus leaving LG.Phillips in the dust in the shrinking 42" and under margins.

Economies of scale is slow to develop, and Phillips predicted huge loses and slow to no long term profits with a planned new facility, so they're calling it quits on this venture.

So I call it just LG as they are the real brains behind the technology and marketing of the panels we watch on our 747i sets.

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^^^ I thought it was a Philips glass panel behind the 747i screen (although I always assumed it was an LG since they're the only major brand besides Philips selling HDTV's at 47" size).

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^^ Just a little boring interlude which you can research for more details on the web in the financial sections of yahoo, MSN, etc.

BTW, LG and Phillips use the same raw panels in their prospective TVs like Sony and Samsung in their current models.

They each apply their own refinements/supporting circuits/calibration/programming though. That why there are subtle differences between the brands.

Tolin does the same, which 'could' explain why the PQ of the Olevia brand of TVs doesn't look like LGs nor Phillips (and Sharps). And Sonys don't look like Samsungs.

But the 747i has top quality components through and through, and the 265 nearly matches it, and with a bigger screen.

Which is more then I can say about most Sharps and Samsungs regardless of their almost cult status popularity.
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