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post #631 of 6575 Old 04-07-2008, 01:28 PM
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does anyone know an actual street date for the z series
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does anyone know an actual street date for the z series

Well Sony just says the release date is "Spring" but the rumor is they have started making them and should be in stores anytime in the next 40 days.
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All of this confusion now has me looking at the Toshiba RV550. Good going Sony...you may have lost a customer. Gotta say, the RV550 looks like an outstanding alternative to the 52W/Z4100's. The Samsung 650's red bezel would be incredibly ugly in my family room.....what a marketing blunder.
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Yeah, Sony's offerings sound nice, but I may look into Samsung for help myself. Seems like their A650 may have some more hope, imo. Might want to see how well their A750 competes with the Z Series Bravia models. The A650 looks like it can really compete well with the W series at the very least.

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Am I the only one not thrilled with these models, they don't really bring anything to the table but an even uglier bezel. And no more xbr's?? surely this is a joke....

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I've noticed that... If Sony doesn't even have any XBRs in their lineup, I'm definitely gonna be considering the XBR4 40" with no hesitation. No matter if it goes obsolete or not, that's probably gonna wind up being one of the top sellers this year.

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All of this confusion now has me looking at the Toshiba RV550. Good going Sony...you may have lost a customer. Gotta say, the RV550 looks like an outstanding alternative to the 52W/Z4100's. The Samsung 650's red bezel would be incredibly ugly in my family room.....what a marketing blunder.

Almost got an A650 until reports of the auto reset issue surfaced. Looks to be fixed but it made me look into the XF550 and the Z4100, I prefer the thin bezel and matte look of both as compared to the A650. Now it is a matter of trying to wait for the Z4100 so I can compare it with the XF550 and make an informative decision.
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This is the third year in a row I've seen people freak out because the new XBRs aren't introduced at CES. They do this every year. They announce the entry and mid-range sets in the winter and the XBRs get announced in late spring/summer.
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Theoretically I can order a Z series for pickup(at sears) for next week. The system is not always correct, though.

40" only though for now I believe.
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This is the third year in a row I've seen people freak out because the new XBRs aren't introduced at CES. They do this every year. They announce the entry and mid-range sets in the winter and the XBRs get announced in late spring/summer.


You're right, everything in the thread and posted on Sony's website about their CES announcements already show the 2008 XBR line...just the smaller sizes so far.

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Sony also announced small size XBR6 series models, offering full HD 1080p resolution in new 37-inch and 32-inch screen sizes. The KDL-37XBR6 and KDL-32XBR6 models have a new industrial design and deliver such advanced features as the new 3D graphic interface and DMeX compatibility.

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This is the third year in a row I've seen people freak out because the new XBRs aren't introduced at CES. They do this every year. They announce the entry and mid-range sets in the winter and the XBRs get announced in late spring/summer.

I have been saying this since the start of this thread. The big new xbrs will be out in august.
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How you guys can possibly think new Sony`s not gonna blow away others?! As finally noticed real CR : W4100/Z/XBR 6 =1:3000 and XBR4/5 1:2000 ; 52W3000 =1:1800 compare it to awefull looking washed out XBR2/3 1:1300.And you can see that big difference by youselves! - PC Magazine "CES 2008: The Best HDTVs We Saw " -Slideshow -THE BEST HDTVs! -http://www.pcmag.com/slideshow_viewer/0,1205,l=&s=27845&a=223323&po=18,00.asp?p=y
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It figures, as AV technology approaches perfection program content falls into the dumper. Can you still buy a BW TV?
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By the way ,I think Blu-Ray 8-bit color standard? and still the best availible (except some camcorders) ,then just no point for 10-bit LCD panels-processing & when the sources gonna be on-par ,by then we will put OLED panels even on the silling -for light.
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By the way ,I think Blu-Ray 8-bit color standard? and still the best availible (except some camcorders) ,then just no point for 10-bit LCD panels-processing & when the sources gonna be on-par ,by then we will put OLED panels even on the silling -for light.

There is, any inaccuracy in the video processing or the panel addressing will be clearly visable with an 8 bit panel.
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by the way, does anyone know the dimensions of the KDL-46Z4100?

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And I saw 70 '' XBR3 -In SONY`s world or whatever they call it ,in Manhattan...IT WAS HORRIBLE PICTURE ! I guess its processing or may be even source,but i was shocked.Similar fillings i got after personally puttin` 60" 1080p KURO`s in BB in Torch mode-all maxed out and getting TRUE BLACK -as black!....BUT TRUE GREY -as white!..
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by the way, does anyone know the dimensions of the KDL-46Z4100?

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"KDL40Z4100: 37.3 x 25.8 x 11.0 (with stand) 48.0 lbs. , 37.3 x 24.0 x 2.9 (without stand) 40.0 lbs.

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42.5 x 29.0 x 12.1 (with stand), 58.0 lbs.....42.5 x 27.1 x 3.0 (without stand), 49 lbs.

Availability: Both are slated for release early to mid June. Saw these sets at the Sony preview show 2 weeks ago. AWESOME!!!.
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"KDL40Z4100: 37.3 x 25.8 x 11.0 (with stand) 48.0 lbs. , 37.3 x 24.0 x 2.9 (without stand) 40.0 lbs.

KDL46Z4100:
42.5 x 29.0 x 12.1 (with stand), 58.0 lbs.....42.5 x 27.1 x 3.0 (without stand), 49 lbs.

Availability: Both are slated for release early to mid June. Saw these sets at the Sony preview show 2 weeks ago. AWESOME!!!.
Lcflyer " -http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9553

thanks, it looks like the countdown has restarted !
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thanks, it looks like the countdown has restarted !

june!?!?! noooooooo
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you guys think the 650 exceeds teh xbr4
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june!?!?! noooooooo

Good Things Come to Those Who Wait
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Good Things Come to Those Who Wait

Might as well wait for the XBRs when it comes in the fall.
So much waiting!
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KDL-40V4100 vs KDL-40V3000?

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I wish Sony would release their new models sooner.

I think you should camp outside the Sony store and every morning ask the sales manager: "Are they out yet, are they out yet". And every day send an email to Sony telling them they should be releasing the new models every 10 months. That way they would come sooner every year.

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does anyone know an actual street date for the z series

Yes, tomorrow. Get in line now with the other guy...

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All of this confusion now has me looking at the Toshiba RV550. Good going Sony...you may have lost a customer.

Yes, they should immediately stop selling/advertising all the existing TVs in their plants and warehouses and fill their website with information on how much better the new TVs (THAT AREN'T EVEN OUT YET) are than the current ones.

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Am I the only one not thrilled with these models, they don't really bring anything to the table but an even uglier bezel. And no more xbr's?? surely this is a joke....

Yes, "Advanced Member", the new XBRs that everyone is talking about in this thread are just a figment of our collective imagination.
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Last years' S-series models had 10-bit panels, I find it odd that newer higher-end models wouldn't have it.

What's the big deal about MotionFlow? Every post I've seen here about it from people with TVs that had it has been negative. Doesn't seem like something to get all pissy about.

Only the 40"> "S" were ten/ten. It's smaller siblings were not. However, I would agree that it would not makes sense to make and XBR anything less than ten/ten otherwise why bother?

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By the way ,I think Blu-Ray 8-bit color standard? and still the best availible (except some camcorders) ,then just no point for 10-bit LCD panels-processing & when the sources gonna be on-par ,by then we will put OLED panels even on the silling -for light.

This is outright FALSE! Ten/Ten advantages are very real - just compare a 40S3000 ten/ten that's 720P to an eight bit 1080P Budget panel and the Sony will kick it's ARSE! Please read the following:

From SonyStyle:
"A good standard to look for in flat-panel HDTVs (such as LCD) is 10-bit processing and a 10-bit display. It's not uncommon to see 10-bit processors matched with 8-bit displays, but don't be tricked to think that HDTVs with such a setup can match the quality of true 10-bit systems. A 10-bit panel and display creates images with smoother color transitions and more subtle color changes for a picture that is exceedingly natural. The jump from 8 to 10-bit may not sound like much of a difference, but the combination of a 10-bit processor and display can give an HDTV the ability to create and display as much as 64 times the level of color expression versus 8-bit systems." Take a look at the difference Ten Bit makes (It quadruples steps of gray = greater details)

Ten Bit


Eight Bit


Though this demo is Mitsubishi the same principles apply:


From Content Producer Magazine:

"Ten-bit processing represents a potentially significant improvement, and the numbers tell the story. Those two extra data bits create four more permutations, thereby quadrupling the potential number of grays from 256 to 1024 shades. It's an effective, if brute force, method to improving the image."

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Am I the only one not thrilled with these models, they don't really bring anything to the table but an even uglier bezel. And no more xbr's?? surely this is a joke....

It is 100% that there will be and bigger XBR's for 2008.Its definitely sure.Also what do you extra expect that in your opinion isnt included in this year lineup?
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It is 100% that there will be and bigger XBR's for 2008.Its definitely sure.Also what do you extra expect that in your opinion isnt included in this year lineup?

30-50K contrast ratio, 120hz, 24fps, 5:5 pulldown, 1 or 2 extra HDMI input, lighter, thinner
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30-50K contrast ratio, 120hz, 24fps, 5:5 pulldown, 1 or 2 extra HDMI input, lighter, thinner

Hmm... Seems like you're thinking Samsung may have something here that Sony may not have. Well, you would think that Sony would get the same technology in their TVs that Sammy has, since they both build TVs together, but not too sure if they'll get the same spec.

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