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BJ's is selling the 52wl130...not the 135. The 130 does not offer 120hz...it is effectively just a W3000 with a special model number
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Not to mention BJ's

Not sure why that come up in this post, but I like it!
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Isn`t this a reason why the majority of the 2008 Sonys 8-bit panels (from Sharp?) and some -10-bit (from Samsung)? Or they just kinda "locked" 10-bit panels to output 8-bit colors?I think it`s unlikly Sony gonna produce specific model (for example 52W4100) with half Samsung and half Sharp panels.And if Sony anyway gonna use Samsung,its 10-bit?,then why they locked all those bells they pushing (xvColor)?Even cheapest new BD player from Sony support it,but not the new 52" ,most likely,bestseller? -Sony? Anybody?

All they're saying is that they have at least 8 bit drivers meaning if they mix them you could potentially get either 8 or 10 bit from the same model number. If they source from both S-LCD and Sharp then there's every chance that they'll just mix them and it'll be the luck of the draw as to which you get (although if you know what to look for you can tell PVA and ASV panels appart).
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It would appear that Sony marketing is (probably accidentally) trying to push customers to Costco and Sams because the 52wl135 seems to be a better HDTV than the new 52W4100. Now, I might be missing something, but unless the W4100 has 10 bit processing/10 bit screen like the wl135, I can't imagine why I would want it. However, like many, I am waiting patiently to actually see a 52w4100.

Is the 52wl135 really 10 bit, i thought it was still like a W3000, but with 120hz.

EDIT: You are right, I just checked the specs for the 52wl135 and it does have 10 bit processing and picture. It also has Deep Color capability (HDMI v1.3 option) and x.v.Color™ connectivity (HDMI v1.3 option) which the W4100 doesn't have.

http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/mod...mdl=KDL52WL135
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I am trying to wait for 40W4100 to come out. Circuit City has the 40w3000 on sale for 1699 and I have a 10 per cent coupon. Should I buy or wait for the 40w4100?
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wait for the new W4100
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I was just in my neighborhood Costco and they have a Sony 1080p KD-L46W135 with motion flow 120hz. They told me they are their "new" models for 2008. I Googled the model number and came up with nothing. Does anyone have any knowledge on this unit and what the equivalant model would be at BB or CC etc since Costco uses their own specific model model numbers.
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Well, not just Costco, but any club store uses a special line of Bravia models. Guess that being a club store member gives you a chance to pick up on a model that others can't really consider at all. Whether club store TVs are better than the mainstream, I have yet to get some answers out of that.

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I was just in my neighborhood Costco and they have a Sony 1080p KD-L46W135 with motion flow 120hz. They told me they are their "new" models for 2008. I Googled the model number and came up with nothing. Does anyone have any knowledge on this unit and what the equivalant model would be at BB or CC etc since Costco uses their own specific model model numbers.

There are two threads about the WL135 (including links to spec sheets):

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post13595268

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=980982

There is no exact equivalent to the WL135 among the models sold by BB and CC. The WL135 is basically the 07 W series plus 120Hz/Motion Flow.
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Thanks. I just did the comparison on the Sony 46W model and it does look like the same unit with the 120 added on for Costco. The color looked pretty good when I was watching the WL135 at Costco, but on the fast scenes and scanning I noticed a lot of pixelation. The CSR told me that I was "standing too close to the screen". He also told me that it has a 8ms response time. I think I will just wait until the '08's hits BB or CC and more reviews pop up on the net. Since we are in an unofficial recession the news media ran some stories on how you can now haggle on prices at the major chain stores now. At least Costco has a 90 day return policy and a 2 year warranty.
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I noticed a lot of pixelation. The CSR told me that I was "standing too close to the screen". He also told me that it has a 8ms response time.

I love it....you see pixelization because you are too close. Very creative...I guess if you are 40' back, you wouldn't see it

Yes the screen is 8ms....exactly the same screen at the w3000. That has nothing at all to do with pixelization....maybe smearing, but not pixelization. The store just has a lousy feed.....

The technical assistance you get in stores today is just scary.....
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hm anyone have the wl135? how's the backlight? kinda scared to buy at costco but that 90 day return policy is a no brainer, i don't feel guilty for abusing costco either.
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WTF? Is this price at sears.com for the new 2008 Bravia 46" a mistake????!!!!!!

Sony 46 in. LCD Full HD (1080p) Television, BRAVIA®
Sears item# 05771606000 Mfr. model# KDL46S4100

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...S4100&sLevel=0
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The recently released Samsung 550 series uses an 8-bit panel that only reproduces 72% of the NTSC color gamut whereas the 650 series uses a 10-bit panel that reproduces 92% of the NTSC color gamut.

Since Sony and Samsung share the same technology, I wonder if the Sony's are the same way?
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WTF? Is this price at sears.com for the new 2008 Bravia 46" a mistake????!!!!!!

Sony 46 in. LCD Full HD (1080p) Television, BRAVIA®
Sears item# 05771606000 Mfr. model# KDL46S4100

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...S4100&sLevel=0

Uhm, that's the "S" 4100. S = Standard Edition.
That probably answers your question.

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Uhm, that's the "S" 4100. S = Standard Edition.
That probably answers your question.

no. still a great price for a Sony Bravia 1080 46" - especially since it's a brand new 2008 model that just came out. and look at the specs - pretty damn strong at that price point.

it's cheaper than any 2007 or earlier 46" bravia i've seen - 1080 or 720.
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wait for the new W4100

I don't know if anyone has brought this up yet but a nice article on
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Very favorable comment for Sony. Here is the link

http://www.avsforum.com/
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How much are all these new sets supposed to cost?

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WTF? Is this price at sears.com for the new 2008 Bravia 46" a mistake????!!!!!!

Sony 46 in. LCD Full HD (1080p) Television, BRAVIA®
Sears item# 05771606000 Mfr. model# KDL46S4100

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...S4100&sLevel=0

Can you say 10-bit panel and its full HD has the S series surpassed the V series? So this would be much better series than the V series right? Since the new v series is supposed to replacement for the V2500 series

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There are two threads about the WL135 (including links to spec sheets):

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post13595268

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=980982

There is no exact equivalent to the WL135 among the models sold by BB and CC. The WL135 is basically the 07 W series plus 120Hz/Motion Flow.

PLUS 10-bit processing and 10-bit display.
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I don't know if anyone has brought this up yet but a nice article on
AVS Forum introduces the new Bravia E4000 with its colored panels.
Very favorable comment for Sony. Here is the link

http://www.avsforum.com/

I already know it,I suppose we will only get it,I dont think it will come in US
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WTF? Is this price at sears.com for the new 2008 Bravia 46" a mistake????!!!!!!

Sony 46 in. LCD Full HD (1080p) Television, BRAVIA®
Sears item# 05771606000 Mfr. model# KDL46S4100

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...S4100&sLevel=0


While yes these new ones do look great for the money we dont know until someone can get one. Currently all of the new models listed at sears you cant get them yet. They have all been 7-14 days out for the last 2 weeks.
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Sony KDL-XBR6, KDL-XBR7, and KDL-XBR8 specs, and release dates!

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/...release-dates/
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Sony KDL-XBR6, KDL-XBR7, and KDL-XBR8 specs, and release dates!

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/...release-dates/

Finally!!!! The XBR 8 shows up!!! I can wait to get my 55 XBR8 and the 46 XBR8!!!!!
(From the picture of the XBR8 reminds me the Samsung design 81-Series?? I'm glad to see again the same floating glass design with the piano gloss black finish!!)
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wow megaton, looks like the new xbr is gonna look exactly like the xbr4 bezel.

kinda let down theres no motionflow 2 or pro but oh well. also no listing of refresh rates? come on sony let us know theres no more smearing.
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http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/...release-dates/

HOLY CRAP local dimming confirmed on Sony RGB LED LCD.....

Here’s where the XBR8 gets really exciting though — TRILUMINOS RGB LED backlight! Yes! That’s what we’re talkin’ about, folks. In addition to the LED backlighting, Sony has thrown in their "Advanced Contrast Enhancer PRO", the new BRAVIA Engine 2 PRO, and all of the other features the XBR6 and XBR7 have. Excited yet? We’re foaming at the mouth. Now you may ask, BG, when can we buy one? Here’s where the roadmap comes into play:

Can't paste the local dimming part but it confirms this with the ACE name, man i can't wait to see this TV, it's killer on paper.

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im personally not that excited about local dimming, as you have things like halos to worry about etc.. but lets hope sony gets it perfect. Also none of this means anything if it smears.
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im personally not that excited about local dimming, as you have things like halos to worry about etc.. but lets hope sony gets it perfect. Also none of this means anything if it smears.


You had halos and ghost trails with samsungs implementation, doesn't mean you are going to have it with all locally dimmed sets. Doesn't mean you won't have these issues either but i am remaining optomistic as now having more than 1 company getting into local dimming it should advance the tech much quicker.

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While it's nice to see Sony getting in to the LED game I will wait until I see pricing. I mean haven't folks on here beeing saying $6K for the XBR8? Are they smoking crack?
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