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post #1471 of 2001 Old 03-13-2008, 11:03 AM
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I have Service Manual for European A650 and pretty sure that US version have the same Block Diagram
US A750 DOESN'T HAVE AMD Xilleon and use ARM MP11 architecture!!!

Above is post #1395 (along with the link). Maybe somthing's getting "lost in translation".

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post13363207
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That still leaves me with my earlier question why am I looking in the SM if we are certain it doesn't have the xilleon in it? Although Samsung did state the 2 TVs were the exact same save the added features so that does lead one to believe that they will process video at an equal level.

I haven't US Service Manual for A650/A550 - that's the reason why you should check service menu to define VP
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Dudes,

I am dying with this xilleon chip postings...dyiiiiing, who cares at this point. If the new Samsungs kick ass or get rid of the issues with the previous version can't we all agree that if it could have a hamster running on the inside it doesn't matter -> Results, that is what I care about. Now I cannot wait to hear from Manaburn, I will be counting on some info to wet my appetite while I wait to get these in from my distributor.

Thanks sorry to rant, just been checking these postings every 1-2 hours hoping for more hands on experience with this unit, and I have to slog through constant nonsense that gets discussed add nauseum.

B.

P.S. shout out to Lego Star Wars Complete Saga...I am not a true gamer like some of you but this game is just so fun to play, my 5 year old son has as much fun as us 30 year olds ...of course can't wait for the Star Wars: The Force Unleashed that should rock.
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Plasmas have possible burn in, so video games which sometimes sit on your screen gives it more of a chance to burn in. Or so they say.

There is also an issue with Game Lag, where you play Guitar Hero 3 and it is off by a few frames, so when you strum it isn't in time to the song and you fail the song.

LCDs have the least game lag than DLP, I am not sure how the lag is on Plasma.

Eh. Burn-in is a non-issue. I play games for hours straight with no problems. Also i frequently use my plasma for computer use. My plasma has absolutely no lag. Calibrated with Guitar Hero III and got 0ms, something no LCD i know of can do. Glare's really the only downside, but most nice LCDs are just has shiny. The 71 is actually far more reflective than any plasma on the market.
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we do have a owner of a 650 here , haven't heard from him in a while.
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Eh. Burn-in is a non-issue. I play games for hours straight with no problems. Also i frequently use my plasma for computer use. My plasma has absolutely no lag. Calibrated with Guitar Hero III and got 0ms, something no LCD i know of can do. Glare's really the only downside, but most nice LCDs are just has shiny. The 71 is actually far more reflective than any plasma on the market.

The new Panasonics have amazing specs, but here's what will happen...I will forget or fall asleep...for some reason the screen saver will fail...and my Windows desktop will be on the screen for hours....
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The new Panasonics have amazing specs, but here's what will happen...I will forget or fall asleep...for some reason the screen saver will fail...and my Windows desktop will be on the screen for hours....

I just get tired of seeing IR after watching a movie or having a bright menu up for a few minutes. I know it's temporary but it puts it to the front of your mind everytime it happens. I know I will get uneven wear with as many movies as I watch after a couple of years. At this point I am willing to trade off some motion blur for peace of mind.
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I haven't US Service Manual for A650/A550 - that's the reason why you should check service menu to define VP

Ok I will check SM tonight, or at least try to. I just figured that if the 750 didn't have the AMD/xilleon that there was a very low chance that the 650 would. Doesn't make too much sence that they would put a better VP in a lesser model does it? I guess I just don't understand these block diagrams because it really doesn't make sense to me that the 550 and 650 have the same architecture. It seems like the 750 and 650 most similar. Does this make sense to you, im assuming it does? Can you explain in lamens terms why this is please? Are the differences only a result of the 750s extra features or is there more going on here.
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Yeah Im the one who owns the 650, but between work and things already planned at night, I havent had much time with this baby. The time i have had with it, its been a great tv. I do think the amp has been toned down a bit, but it is working better then my 69 ever did
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The new Panasonics have amazing specs, but here's what will happen...I will forget or fall asleep...for some reason the screen saver will fail...and my Windows desktop will be on the screen for hours....

I fall asleep watching TV shows on my HTPC fairly often - atleast a couple times a week. And after the show ends it just shows a static image until i wake up, sometimes 8 hours or so. Nothing permanent after 2 years. Not trying to start a plasma vs. LCD debate. Just pointing out that if Samsung hasn't made dramatic improvements in their new line then there's no reason not to look at the Panasonic 8 series as everything so far makes them look like stunning sets. Also early reports indicate that they can be blindingly bright, therefore appealing to the typical LCD fans who love bright, fake, and overblown images.
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I fall asleep watching TV shows on my HTPC fairly often - atleast a couple times a week. And after the show ends it just shows a static image until i wake up, sometimes 8 hours or so. Nothing permanent after 2 years. Not trying to start a plasma vs. LCD debate. Just pointing out that if Samsung hasn't made dramatic improvements in their new line then there's no reason not to look at the Panasonic 8 series as everything so far makes them look like stunning sets. Also early reports indicate that they can be blindingly bright, therefore appealing to the typical LCD fans who love bright, fake, and overblown images.

Like I said, I'm not really afraid of static images, just the bars from letterbox movies. I haven't seen any anecdotal evidence of people watching ~50% movies and not having uneven wear after a couple of years. It's something I'm willing to give up a bit of picture quality to not worry about.

Manaburn, can't wait to hear your impressions. I've got a plasma I just bought waiting to go back while it is in the 30 day return window if this set solves the problems with the 71 series.
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I fall asleep watching TV shows on my HTPC fairly often - atleast a couple times a week. And after the show ends it just shows a static image until i wake up, sometimes 8 hours or so. Nothing permanent after 2 years. Not trying to start a plasma vs. LCD debate. Just pointing out that if Samsung hasn't made dramatic improvements in their new line then there's no reason not to look at the Panasonic 8 series as everything so far makes them look like stunning sets. Also early reports indicate that they can be blindingly bright, therefore appealing to the typical LCD fans who love bright, fake, and overblown images.

Sun drenched rooms have not been plasma's friend. However, my rooms are on the dark side. One thing I did appreciate about the 71F is its nice ability, for an LCD, to go very dark. With its increased dynamic contrast, I'd imagine the new Samsung's have, if anything, increased the range of their backlights.

(One concern I have regarding the 81F, is it looks like they've really pumped up the effective ANSI contrast. Adjusting the backlight controls and the power saving controls, I still wasn't sure I could really get the peak brightness dark enough for my tastes. I am going to try again and spend more time with the contrast control, though I don't know if the contrast control on that set controls the LEDs as well or just the panel...)
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Can't you upload it to any file sharing services? If that is not possible, can you at least post a bigger pics of those block diagrams that you have in your russian forum so that we can see and read all the details? And if you can at least post some of the external feature of the TV from the manual so that we may verify that it is the true US version.

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European A550/A650
As it's first edition a lot of small mistakes exist

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Mikl1984 i guess my real question has nothing to do with why the block diagrams are different. Can you tell from the diagrams if the 750 is set up to have a more pronounced amp than the 650, or better VP.
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anybody know what the power consumption is on the 46A650?
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Mikl1984 i guess my real question has nothing to do with why the block diagrams are different. Can you tell from the diagrams if the 750 is set up to have a more pronounced amp than the 650, or better VP.

A750 significantly better than A650
- 16-bit internal processing against 12-bit
- MPEG4 support
- Realtek LAN
- better bandwidth

In two words A750 is powerfull 2 Core computer with real PCI bus
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A750 significantly better than A650
- 16-bit internal processing against 12-bit
- MPEG4 support
- Realtek LAN
- better bandwidth

In two words A750 is powerfull 2 Core computer with real PCI bus

Wow don't think anyone saw that coming.... this could upset a bunch of customers who are rushing to the A650 if the A750 ends up with a better pq or AMP implementation.

Or what are the chances that the diagrams are mislabeled and the 650 actually has the 750 internals and that diagram should be labeled A550 only?
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One would expect that if the 750 were to have some major improvement in PQ over the 650, Samsung would have touted same in their CES press release. They didn't and I don't think their is any difference. Too many on this thread are operating on speculation and suspect or foreign documentation.

Personally, I'm a lot more upset over the fact that TOC is more like Red with a TOB (Touch of Black). Samsung, you had the best looking LCDs with the piano black in 2007. It wasn't broke, why did you mess with it?
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A750 significantly better than A650
- 16-bit internal processing against 12-bit
- MPEG4 support
- Realtek LAN
- better bandwidth

In two words A750 is powerfull 2 Core computer with real PCI bus

LOL then why exactly am i buying the A650 for only $300 less. I guess the answer is Im not. If the A750 is really significantly better for 300 more im just gonna hold off. Sorry guys no testing any time soon. BTW thank you so much for the swift reply. I was T minus 2 hours from picking my A650 up lol. Im gonna hold out another 2 months.
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One would expect that if the 750 were to have some major improvement in PQ over the 650, Samsung would have touted same in their CES press release. They didn't and I don't think their is any difference. Too many on this thread are operating on speculation and suspect or foreign documentation.

Personally, I'm a lot more upset over the fact that TOC is more like Red with a TOB (Touch of Black). Samsung, you had the best looking LCDs with the piano black in 2007. It wasn't broke, why did you mess with it?


I believe he has US block diagrams
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If you look at that diagram it doesn't even support 100hz (120hz here in the US) at 1080p. I bet that diagram is for the A550 only.
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Manaburn, take one for the team! Pick it up and try it out for 3 weeks and give us the lowdown!! PLEASE??? LOL
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Manaburn, there is a 30 day "return" policy.
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LOL then why exactly am i buying the A650 for only $300 less. I guess the answer is Im not. If the A750 is really significantly better for 300 more im just gonna hold off. Sorry guys no testing any time soon. BTW thank you so much for the swift reply. I was T minus 2 hours from picking my A650 up lol. Im gonna hold out another 2 months.

Why would you do this? Everything at this point is ridiculous speculation and i see no reason to think that a couple hundred dollars extra would give any PQ increase. The 750 is pretty clearly just a 650 with a few networking and media playback features and a better bezel.
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Manaburn, there is a 30 day "return" policy.

And a 15% restocking fee!
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Lol so many responses so fast. Guys all I have is the information in front of me. Maybe you are rite, maybe you aren’t. The block diagrams do seem to be contradictory I agree, but it does lead one to question. The back story is that I was leaning towards the 750 anyhow because it just looks better. I was on the fence the whole time and this just pushed me to the 750 side. I was only getting the 650 because it was coming out 2 months earlier and I was assuming it had the same VP like Samsung said. Now who knows I think we need more time to iron this out. I really hate to let everyone down but if I take the 650 back that is 2 returns I have made at the same store leaving things to be really weird if something is wrong with the 750 and I need to take that one back as well. I’m not going through all this trouble on a hunch. Sorry guys
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Why would you do this? Everything at this point is ridiculous speculation and i see no reason to think that a couple hundred dollars extra would give any PQ increase. The 750 is pretty clearly just a 650 with a few networking and media playback features and a better bezel.

Block diagrams tend to disagree with you
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Block diagrams tend to disagree with you

The Block diagrams conflict with the information we know to be correct for the US: we use NTSC in the States, Europe uses Pal. Assuming the x71 processed 1080p at 120Hz then there is no reason why the 650 wouldn't either.

Mikl1984 has mentioned that he does not have a US copy of the US Service Manual. Unless Mikl1984 can get his hands on a US copy and post that block diagram or a new owner can take photos of the service menu we won't know for sure.

Based on what we've officially heard from Samsung, including the MSRP for the 750 there doesn't seem to be any reason to doubt that the 650 and 750 share the majority of the same hardware. There would be no business sense to introduce a panel that with a premium processor for only a $300 premium. This would cut into the sales of the 650 after the 750 is released in May.

The majority of this thread has been based on assumptions and I haven't heard anything that will dissuade me from picking up a 52" 650 once it's released in my area.
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So just got home, and the wife has friends on the wb. And we could never ever watch the show with my 69 and not get stutter with the amp. Have the amp on medium and no stutter at all, and it looks great on the sd channel
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Im telling you guys, if you have a chance to get a 650 try it out, its great
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