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Megapopular: How is the the bezel. Black fading to red? Are jumping on the owners thread?
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Can't notice the red at all unless you really look at it... that's why I took flash and non-flash pics so people can see how subtle it really is... no glare at all, you'll see in a minute...
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I'm sitting at work looking like a junkie, waiting for the pics! Thanks for the pics.
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hey megapopular, can u post those pics on the owners thread i just started. I'm at work and dont have access to my pics
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It looks pretty badass.
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I will have to post them there tonight... didn't know there was an owners thread already and I have go to work at 1pm... lol.. I hate to go since I just got this bad boy...
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Going to work late, guys!! Will be here til 4:30pm... Woohoo!
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Hey, guys, it's 11:39 am and my TV is in the living room... unboxing and taking pics as I go... Will be up soon!

GREAT, please give us your impressions, blur? etc thanks in advance.
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Ok, I'm going over to the owners thread to repost all pics...
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Now that actually looks like the pics on the websites, that looks sweet, i want one now lol

Now we just have to see how the PQ is compared to the 71. And if TBE and Vapors are present or not.
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pics (and newer ones) are over at owners thread... http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post13379003
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Nice example though I never see it that extreme. I know that it is meant to mimic but do some of you see it this extreme?

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Yes, and worse. at times it stutters so much and so quickly it is like a damn machine gun.

52" Samsung 750, finally satisfaction
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Spunndaze, couldn't you order from CC or Best Buy? They're about $600 cheaper! Not trying to be up in your biz but just get a 10% off coupon from the Post Office in the "Mover's Guide" kit and you can use it at either store! Their price before coupon is only $2899.99!! Best luck to you!!!

What coupon is that and where can I get it?

If you just bought a Samsung LN-T5271f like me, then read the FAQ. It's very, very helpful.

Samsung LN-T5271f FAQ
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What coupon is that and where can I get it?

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You can get it at the US post office, it is in the address change kit
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How come whenever I look at the 2007 Samsung sets when they are connected to blueray movies (so far in Best Buy, Circuit City and Fry's) I see a bunch of artifacts I just don't see in other sets?

One issue is that there is significant banding at low gray levels and lots of low intensity noise.

A second is there seems to be lots of motion blur during fast movement despite running at 120Hz. And in general edges seem much more blurred.

A third is that when looking at the extended letterbox movie when bright regions of the screen intersect with the black bars the light seems to bleed into the bars. I was watching some Harry Potter and Pirate of the Caribbean movie.

I really wanted to like these sets but the Sony LCDs I saw don't seem to have these problems. Maybe these sets were not configured right, but what could be wrong? Of course the guy said it was the cables, they they need "120Hz HDMI cables" he said. This is sounds like BS to me - a digital cable should not be adding noise and banding at low input levels, and a 120Hz TV does not need faster source signaling.

Anyway, does anyone share my experience and know how they would fix it with some type of setting or calibration? Sorry, I'm just a newbie with HDTVs right now.

I was looking at 71 series and lower. I don't remember the "lower" I just remember I looked at a 71 and other models. However the 81 did not seem to have this problem.

Does the new 2008 models mitigate any of these problems, or is this just a calibration issue?
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Ok i have run tests on the new 650 for on hour and i will be running no more. This has pissed me the hell off just too much. TBE is still present on low amp settings and up. Whats worse is there is no game mode to at least get it to go away with amp on low. Haloing is still present, and gets noticible the more you increase amp. This set is a technical mess. The image is grainy compared to the 71. The amp is toned down but still dosn't work lol. There is no way in hell i am keeping this TV I did not pay another $700 over my 71 to stay the same or take a step backwards in some instances. Screw this im going back to BB soon. I will field any questions if you have any. Manaburn gives this set two thumbs down. If you have a 71 just stick with it there is nothing to be gained with this buying this TV. I was hoping to analize this set in great detail but it just isnt worth my time. And the procesor debate should just be over it could have 10 AMD/xilleon VPs working side by side and it still wouldnt matter because the VP sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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BTW the above is a serious review i am not messing around this is my honest openion
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Ok i have run tests on the new 650 for on hour and i will be running no more. This has pissed me the hell off just too much. TBE is still present on low amp settings and up. Whats worse is there is no game mode to at least get it to go away with amp on low. Haloing is still present, and gets noticible the more you increase amp. This set is a technical mess. The image is grainy compared to the 71. The amp is toned down but still dosn't work lol. There is no way in hell i am keeping this TV I did not pay another $700 over my 71 to stay the same or take a step backwards in some instances. Screw this im going back to BB soon. I will field any questions if you have any. Manaburn gives this set two thumbs down. If you have a 71 just stick with it there is nothing to be gained with this buying this TV. I was hoping to analize this set in great detail but it just isnt worth my time. And the procesor debate should just be over it could have 10 AMD/xilleon VPs working side by side and it still wouldnt matter because the VP sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Can you post pics of some of these issues so the owners can compare their sets?
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Can you post pics of some of these issues so the owners can compare their sets?

I never got my digital camera working. Im not sure what you even want out of me the issues are motion handeling issues not still image. what is the use in taking a pic of TBE or haloing we all know what it is anyways. LOL the amp is toned down with the same issues from the last set.
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Ok i have run tests on the new 650 for on hour and i will be running no more. This has pissed me the hell off just too much. TBE is still present on low amp settings and up. Whats worse is there is no game mode to at least get it to go away with amp on low. Haloing is still present, and gets noticible the more you increase amp. This set is a technical mess. The image is grainy compared to the 71. The amp is toned down but still dosn't work lol. There is no way in hell i am keeping this TV I did not pay another $700 over my 71 to stay the same or take a step backwards in some instances. Screw this im going back to BB soon. I will field any questions if you have any. Manaburn gives this set two thumbs down. If you have a 71 just stick with it there is nothing to be gained with this buying this TV. I was hoping to analize this set in great detail but it just isnt worth my time. And the procesor debate should just be over it could have 10 AMD/xilleon VPs working side by side and it still wouldnt matter because the VP sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry to hear you've had so many troubles with the 650. As someone considering the 650 and the 71, I appreciate your frank comments. I'm considering taking my chances with the 71 which can be had for under 1800.

I've always been a Sony Bravia guy. Do you have any thoughts on the XBR5 vs the 71. In other words, the TBE, etc.... are they worth dealing with to enjoy the other features of this set or would you jump to a Bravia. My budget is $1800-$2000.
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I'm sorry to hear you've had so many troubles with the 650. As someone considering the 650 and the 71, I appreciate your frank comments. I'm considering taking my chances with the 71 which can be had for under 1800.

I've always been a Sony Bravia guy. Do you have any thoughts on the XBR5 vs the 71. In other words, the TBE, etc.... are they worth dealing with to enjoy the other features of this set or would you jump to a Bravia. My budget is $1800-$2000.

I have very strong openions on both sets good and bad, mostly good on both. Please tell me what you will be using the TV for that really is what will determin which one i recomend.
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I never got my digital camera working. Im not sure what you even want out of me the issues are motion handeling issues not still image. what is the use in taking a pic of TBE or haloing we all know what it is anyways. LOL the amp is toned down with the same issues from the last set.

Considering how different your opinion is on this set compared to the other owners I'm just trying to get an understanding of how pronounced these issues are. So far one owner has reported no TBE, one mentioned slight TBE using a crosshair test of COD4, and your report mentions severe issues with this set.

Perhaps you could explain some of the tests you did so the other owners could try to replicate them?
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I have very strong openions on both sets good and bad, mostly good on both. Please tell me what you will be using the TV for that really is what will determin which one i recomend.

Still, I never had problems with the 71F, so if the TBE is only as bad as the 71F, I'm fine with that. What I care about is the screen. Is it more matte than the 71F or not?
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I'm sorry to hear you've had so many troubles with the 650. As someone considering the 650 and the 71, I appreciate your frank comments. I'm considering taking my chances with the 71 which can be had for under 1800.

I've always been a Sony Bravia guy. Do you have any thoughts on the XBR5 vs the 71. In other words, the TBE, etc.... are they worth dealing with to enjoy the other features of this set or would you jump to a Bravia. My budget is $1800-$2000.

I'm in your exact same boat, stuck between the 71F and the 650. I've been waiting for months and feel like my head's about to burst...
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I have very strong openions on both sets good and bad, mostly good on both. Please tell me what you will be using the TV for that really is what will determin which one i recomend.

It will be a bedroom TV replacing an 3 year old 32"Bravia XBR. We watch mostly HD programming via FIOS and a fair share of SD programming (E!, Bravo). It's quite possible that I'd watch a few games on Sunday Ticket, but that I'll probably reserve for the 52" Bravia.

Plan on adding a BluRay player later this year for both DVD/BluRay movies.

To sum up, HD, SD, DVD, BluRay and some Football this fall.
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I'm in your exact same boat, stuck between the 71F and the 650. I've been waiting for months and feel like my head's about to burst...

It should be easier to drop $2k on a TV.
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Ok i have run tests on the new 650 for on hour and i will be running no more. This has pissed me the hell off just too much. TBE is still present on low amp settings and up. Whats worse is there is no game mode to at least get it to go away with amp on low. Haloing is still present, and gets noticible the more you increase amp. This set is a technical mess. The image is grainy compared to the 71. The amp is toned down but still dosn't work lol. There is no way in hell i am keeping this TV I did not pay another $700 over my 71 to stay the same or take a step backwards in some instances. Screw this im going back to BB soon. I will field any questions if you have any. Manaburn gives this set two thumbs down. If you have a 71 just stick with it there is nothing to be gained with this buying this TV. I was hoping to analize this set in great detail but it just isnt worth my time. And the procesor debate should just be over it could have 10 AMD/xilleon VPs working side by side and it still wouldnt matter because the VP sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for checking this TV out and letting us know.
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