Borf wrote: I found little problem regarding 120hz tv's and 60fps console games. My friend's 60hz LCDs play much smoother on the PS3 than my 120hz set (with motion compensaton off).
It finally occured to me I was seeing "low framerate judder" from the framerate being only 1/2 the refresh rate (just like on a low-end PC).
Turing on motion compensation (AMP) eliminates the problem but only for unrealistically slow movements. In reality AMP "gives out" at normal game speeds 90% of the time (especially for fast games judder and TBE return).
Few PS3 games can maintain 60fps so even 60hz sets see low framerate judder occasionally. In general though the 60hz sets seem smoother to me for 60hz games, which are getting more popular (AMP on or off).
I thought motion compensation (AMP) might make a huge difference in the fluidity of games compared to 60hz LCDs. In reality motion compensation seems to fail at most game speeds (which are faster than the movie/TV pans I believe it was designed for). The result when this happens is worse than would be with a 60hz set because of the fps/hz differential.
I think many don't realize the main reason AMP makes 60hz games more fluid in first place is that it overcomes inherent judder specific to 120hz sets - 60hz sets avoid low framerate judder with 60fps games.
For 30fps games (which are getting scarce) a 120hz set should always be smoother than a 60hz set since both will experience low framerate judder but the higher 120hz refresh will smooth it out with blur and i ramble bleaa
Borf, I noticed games that run at 60fps don't really make a difference when Motion Interpolation (AMP, MotionFlow, HDNM) is turned on. It only works well with 30fps games. But even though its not consistant in making it run at 60fps.
Like you said when the motion is too fast, the vectors can't calculate right and it loses it. That's why i think samsung does a better job at this then Sony. But sony does it better then the others do. I've seen the mitsubishi Smooth120hz turned on and it didn't really make much difference.
I know that Philips invented this technology and that's why i'm so interested in these new EcoTVs which is said to have the HD Natural Motion.
I have WinDVD which has TrimensionDNM (Trimension Digital Natural Motion) which i know is also by philips. I have my laptop connected to my theater room projector. Not all DVD movies you could turn ON the feature. But there is an option to "Force Wave" it. It works well better then the samsung and I am hoping it is the same with these new Philips TVs.
And the question I would like to ask Philips TV is "Does the new EcoTVs work as good or better then the Samsungs? (consistancy, i don't mind the ghosting) Does it work as good or better then the TrimensionDNM on the WinDVD program?"
A "YES" answer will have me sold on this TV.
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