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I had my PZ85U since May22. Last month I called in a pro.Big difference.Worth every lat dollar

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From the pre calib numbers Ive passed along for this tv, a guy in the know said its well worth the calib. They look good now, look great afterwards.
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Is there any advantage to the 85u over the 80u? Is the contrast difference a major consideration?

Short answer, no. However, this has been asked and answered umpteen times. Better to search this thread and see a more comprehensive answer.

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Thanks Fr. John...I'll go browse around...thought I'd see if there was an opinion out there quick since this is my first plasma. Was curious as to the opinions in the forum since you guys are much more informed than I am
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Thanks Fr. John...I'll go browse around...thought I'd see if there was an opinion out there quick since this is my first plasma. Was curious as to the opinions in the forum since you guys are much more informed than I am

My first plasma also, though I've been in the plasma camp for years!

Here's a bit from post 4936 in this thread (my post). I think if you read a few pages further someone may have listed a more comprehensive answer though:

IIRC, the main diffs are:

30k:1 vs 20k:1 static contrast ratio (both have 1m dynamic)
inputs on the 80u, some are on the front
85u PC input

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I was reading earlier that the 800u can be adjusted in CUSTOM mode to look very similar to THX mode. If that is indeed true, is it also possible to do the same adjustments to the 85u?? If that is the case I could save a few hundred. Anyone actually try this?
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I was reading earlier that the 800u can be adjusted in CUSTOM mode to look very similar to THX mode. If that is indeed true, is it also possible to do the same adjustments to the 85u?? If that is the case I could save a few hundred. Anyone actually try this?

i never read that anywhere, where did you read that? I'm thinking there probably is more difference between the 800u and the 85u than as simple configuration shortcut though.
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Use cinema mode, not custom mode on the PZ80 or PZ85's.
The modes besides cinema mode appear to have a strange gamma profile that causes lower picture quality or noise compared to cinema mode.
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i've had my TH-50PZ85U for just under 4 months and this week i started to notice some color distortion. For example, everything comes through in shades of red and blue, people's skin looks varying shades of blue, if i go to the comcast guide it's all red.

comcast had me do the stnd. power cycle the box and it fixed the hd channels but not the sd ones. i moved my cable box from hdmi input 1 on the tv to hdmi 2 and all of the channels look ok. just for troubleshooting purposes i'm going to swap my cable box and dvi to hdmi cable this week but my gut says it's the tv. Just wondering if anyone has had a similar experience.
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is the noise as bad as cnet says it is?
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i've had my TH-50PZ85U for just under 4 months and this week i started to notice some color distortion. For example, everything comes through in shades of red and blue, people's skin looks varying shades of blue, if i go to the comcast guide it's all red.

comcast had me do the stnd. power cycle the box and it fixed the hd channels but not the sd ones. i moved my cable box from hdmi input 1 on the tv to hdmi 2 and all of the channels look ok. just for troubleshooting purposes i'm going to swap my cable box and dvi to hdmi cable this week but my gut says it's the tv. Just wondering if anyone has had a similar experience.

I think someone had the same issue in this thread and IIRC it was a power issue.

Try a search to be sure.
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is the noise as bad as cnet says it is?

What do they say? I remember them talking about noisy SD content...but that's what SD content is now
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is the noise as bad as cnet says it is?

video or fan?

Sd looks like crap, but I dont watch it anyways. It also aint gonna look great on a 50"

Fan noise? no.
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is the noise as bad as cnet says it is?

In the custom mode and the other modes yes it's horrible. Cinema has a good gamma profile and the comments from the CNet review don't apply when using it IMHO. I've seen a few of this years plasmas (2 in my home) and I can honestly say the 85U doesn't have excess noise in it's cinema mode

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I have to strongly disagree with the Cnet review. I've seen noise on this set in a few instances, all of them in anything other than Cinema mode. Also, even out of Cinema, the noise isn't egregious. I do recall thinking the noise was noticeable vs the Samsung in the store, however obviously the settings were set to torch and vivid, not a good combo for noise. In Cinema I have to say I've not once noticed noise from any good source.

I also have to disagree wih Elway, SD content on this thing is nothing short of amazing. Yes, it's not HD, but I've been caught off guard many times when I thought I was watching a slightly compressed HD channel only to find it was a standard SD cable channel (TNT in my area is consistently putting out a stellar signal). I guess it all has to do with your SD source). I've actually been meaning to post some SD DVD screen shots, just haven't got around to it yet.

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Yes, it's not HD, but I've been caught off guard many times when I thought I was watching a slightly compressed HD channel only to find it was a standard SD cable channel (TNT in my area is consistently putting out a stellar signal). I guess it all has to do with your SD source).

Same here, the source makes all the difference. I notice a huge range in PQ across different SC cable channels from RCN. Some look truly awful on my 46" PZ85, and some look really good. Another factor w/ SD content is how far away you're sitting....in general, I find that the farther from a big screen I am, the better SD content will look.
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I got an Oppo 980H upconverting DVD player and was disappointed to find that the PQ with the Oppo (outputting via HDMI at 1080p) was not any better on my 46PZ85 than my 4-year old JVC progressive scan DVD player (outputting at 480p over component video inputs).

The Oppo produced a slightly sharper image, but at the expense of video artifacts (sharpness was set to OFF btw). I'm wondering if the PZ85 actually does a better job of upscaling SD DVDs than the Oppo? Has anyone compared an Oppo 980H with a non-upscaling player on these Pannys? Should I be trying different output resolutions on the Oppo before giving up?

BTW I sit pretty close to my 46" screen, about 6 feet, so I'm bound to see more artifacts.

I'm also aware Oppo makes higher-priced upscaling players but at that price range I might as well get a refurb BD player...will probably just return the Oppo I bought, despite my fondness for the build quality and the company in general.
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I got an Oppo 980H upconverting DVD player and was disappointed to find that the PQ with the Oppo (outputting via HDMI at 1080p) was not any better on my 46PZ85 than my 4-year old JVC progressive scan DVD player (outputting at 480p over component video inputs).

The Oppo produced a slightly sharper image, but at the expense of video artifacts (sharpness was set to OFF btw). I'm wondering if the PZ85 actually does a better job of upscaling SD DVDs than the Oppo? Has anyone compared an Oppo 980H with a non-upscaling player on these Pannys? Should I be trying different output resolutions on the Oppo before giving up?

BTW I sit pretty close to my 46" screen, about 6 feet, so I'm bound to see more artifacts.

I'm also aware Oppo makes higher-priced upscaling players but at that price range I might as well get a refurb BD player...will probably just return the Oppo I bought, despite my fondness for the build quality and the company in general.

I can't say much on the subject but the PS3 does an outstanding job of upscaling everything I've thrown at it. I think I'll do some Return of the King screenshots tonight for examples.

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I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on either a 46 or a 50 PZ800U. The local Circuit City is way too expensive with tax and all. I'm not looking for pricing - just reliable online sources.

I just bought a 46PZ85U from Amazon (oops, sorry, "Big River") and had a flawless experience from start to finish.
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I just bought a 46PZ85U from Amazon (oops, sorry, "Big River") and had a flawless experience from start to finish.

Likewise. In fact BB had the 42" 85U "on sale" yesterday for nearly $500 more than the price I paid at Big River. I can't believe that place is still in business.

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I have the picture turned down to like 40 on all of the settings and the pixel orbiter on Auto. What else should I know about the first 100-200 hrs? Thanks
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I have the picture turned down to like 40 on all of the settings and the pixel orbiter on Auto. What else should I know about the first 100-200 hrs? Thanks


Keep it in Just or Zoom for all content, i.e. no bars.

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Keep it in Just or Zoom for all content, i.e. no bars.

Thanks. Does it matter about the different picture settings(I have most or all of them at 40), or do I just need to keep them all at 50 and below? Thanks again. I'm full of questions.....
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I can't say much on the subject but the PS3 does an outstanding job of upscaling everything I've thrown at it. I think I'll do some Return of the King screenshots tonight for examples.

The only problem with that is the PS3 does not use the proper SD color matrix when upconverting, and since your TV will see it as a HD source, it won't switch it to the SD color matrix (in fact, it will even be greyed out, not even allowing a manual switch). So your greyscale will be significantly off.

I've heard some upconverters can do the proper color matrix, but I don't know which ones they are. I do know the PS3 is not one of them.

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Thanks. Does it matter about the different picture settings(I have most or all of them at 40), or do I just need to keep them all at 50 and below? Thanks again. I'm full of questions.....

As did most others, I kept all my settings at 50 or lower for the first 100.

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As did most others, I kept all my settings at 50 or lower for the first 100.

Thanks. What about temperature setting? Should that be cool, warm, etc? Thanks for your help.....
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Is C.A.T.S. just a automatic brightness control or is there more to it?
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Likewise. In fact BB had the 42" 85U "on sale" yesterday for nearly $500 more than the price I paid at Big River. I can't believe that place is still in business.

I too am mystified, especially given the generally low knowledge level of the sales staff at BB. I would have happily paid an extra couple of hundred bucks to buy my unit at the local Tweeter store during their recent Panny Plasma sale because I've never been lied to or fed misinformation there, and the staff have helped me make informed buying decisions in the past. But they didn't carry the 46" -- special order only -- so much of the practical advantage melted away.

I guess this is getting a little OT, so let me veer back to marginal relevance with a little rah-rah: I can't say how extremely happy I am with my 46PZ85U. To anyone worrying about whether they'll like the TV, I say: just go buy it already. You'll love it!
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I have the picture turned down to like 40 on all of the settings and the pixel orbiter on Auto. What else should I know about the first 100-200 hrs? Thanks

Most people set the pixel orbiter to Force and 1 minute. I am not entirely clear on how Pixel Orbiter works -- and from perusing most of the threads on this very long forum, few people are. But that seems to be the general consensus.
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Thanks. What about temperature setting? Should that be cool, warm, etc? Thanks for your help.....

Check out the calibration thread -- all your answers are there. The first post is frequently updated.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1019763
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