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what input do you want? It's clearly stated multiple of times that none of the units are currently available.

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New members first post. I have been reading forum since Christmas. Looking at 800 or 850. Looking for more input

I don't know how much more input we can find. I think we've pretty much beat it to death for now, we'll just have to wait for them to actually appear in stores or in the hands of reviewers.

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Readings lead me to understand settings menu is a "safe area" to work in, that is any changes made to settings can be easily restored. Using a calibration disk, with limited skill, one can adjust settings for a good picture. Readings lead me to understand the "Service Menu" can be a "dangerous area" to work in, that the wrong change or accidental change can "toast" your unit and can not be restored. I understand this to be a menu to be used by an experienced "calibrator" having proper measurement tools to deal with color, gama, grey levels and the like. My question is the "pro settings" menu on the 850 model. Is this a combination of the two? Is this an area I can work in for a few extra "tweeks" without risk of toasting the unit, or is this only for the Professional Calibrator! Does the 850 and Pro setting menu offer anything for the semi-techie or is my step up only the internet viewing. Am willing to pay the price for some extra tweeks , but the other features of the 850 don't get my attention 800 vs 850 ?
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Yes, in the 850 you can have all the fun you want to with the various settings. Just ensure you write down the originals.

Do wish the 85 came with gamma settings in the user menu though (not sure if it has them in the service menu).

 

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50PZ800u is up on Bestbuy.com- looks like I was off on the 50, let's hope I was off on the 42.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1202648738039
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Hey Everyone, hope this information isn't too repetitive.

I just got back from the National Home Show in Toronto; they had the 50PZ800U on display with a "home show only" sale price of $3150 and an extension on the warranty by 2 years. The guy there (who was from Kromer Radio) said they expect to get the TV in their store by May 19th, with a retail price of $3499. Just thought I would let everyone know.

Also, does everyone think that is a good price ($3150 plus extended warranty)? Or could I wait and get a better deal somewhere else? He said if it ends up being cheaper when it actually comes out, he would update the price for me. I still have time to get my deposit back if everyone thinks I should wait.... any thoughts?

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Just out of curiosity, what are the practical differences between the
TH-42PZ85U and the 42PZ800U?


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Just out of curiosity, what are the practical differences between the
TH-42PZ85U and the 42PZ800U?

The TH-42PZ800U will be able to display 1080p/24 at 48hz which will eliminate telecine judder. It is also THX certified, though, I'm not sure if that's a plus or just marketing BS (we'll have to wait and see) and it has a single sheet of glass covering the entire front of the TV for a "seamless design".

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The TH-42PZ800U will be able to display 1080p/24 at 48hz which will eliminate telecine judder. It is also THX certified, though, I'm not sure if that's a plus or just marketing BS (we'll have to wait and see) and it has a single sheet of glass covering the entire front of the TV for a "seamless design".

Thanks for the quick reply!

My sources are Tivo HD, and a Blu-Ray player coming shortly. Viewing distance is approx. 8" Is this worth the $500 premium for the 800?


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Thanks for the quick reply!

My sources are Tivo HD, and a Blu-Ray player coming shortly. Viewing distance is approx. 8" Is this worth the $500 premium for the 800?

I think you should wait until both models are in stores so you can go take a look at them yourself. If it were me then yeah, I'd go with the 800U but I don't think the premium will be $500, probably closer to $300.

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Another thing to consider is the size of the TV, if your willing to pay a $500 premium over the 42PZ85U for the 42PZ800, you could instead get a 50" 50PZ80U or maybe even a 50PZ85U. To me, 42" seems a little small but of course I don't know what your room looks like though if you could fit a 50" in there I would say that's the way to go.

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We're actually at the starting gates with 1080P with Ultra HD having been in use (EXPO Convention) and test broadcasting in Japan - the next phase will happen in Japan far sooner than in the US change occurs faster than we can predict. Providing capacity to reach a potential may be marketing fluff in the short-term but one day may actually have a use.

http://www.multichannel.com/info/CA6328635.html#6328645 (Two years ago)

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/fea...yond-hdtv.html (A better evaluation IMO-The Bar will move bred by competition.)

Engadget predicted 2015 this year reducing the original S&V by ten years.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/14/3...on-the-air-in/

It may well be that in 10+ years a new standard will emerge in the U.S. that will make a wider gamut useful. But for Best buy to prominently advertise:

----"This 50" plasma HDTV features x.v.Color and Deep Color technologies to ensure vivid, lifelike color reproduction."----

they are not talking to the consumers of 2015 and beyond. They are talking to the potential buyers of today. It is borderline fraud.

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It is borderline fraud.

No, it is fraud. If only the consumer was educated about this crap....head would roll........it's as bad as the upconverting dvd scandal.


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I agree with Tom that the way they market it (to the "general" population as being able to better their "general" viewing) is borderline fraud. No doubt about it. It's sad we see this with so much stuff nowadays....mil to 1 CR, 1440p camcorders that are sold as 1080p camcorders, early 1080p displays that could not accept 1080p input (but partially in their defense the idea probably being to deinterlace 1080i input to get and display more lines than a 720p panel)...

I'd love if they said something like - "Great new Color space, bigger than the current one, it' what Cinema theaters use! And you can now have that at home too (only if you buy some very new and few camcorders) BUT will not make any of your existing sources (broadcast, BD, DVD) any better (for a good few years at least) but may actually make it worse"

But then honesty and straight talk from the marketing dept?

Only solution - Educated consumer I guess

Manufacturers perspective - There always needs to be the next big thing in consumer electronics to make people want to upgrade. I suspect the industry sees great potential for D-cinema color space in that respect. The holy grail is always fidelity to film, hence we see 1080p24 on BD now and all these displays clamouring to output 24p. What next? Why not the color space that cinema theaters use also? I can see that as their rationale for the next push...."what's that?...you don't have any source to match? we'll try to fix that too....give us some time....then you can buy all your movies again on "D-cinema Blu-Rays" accurately mastered as per cinema theater projectors! just dump your old BD discs like you did your obsolete DVDs and bought "superbit" versions...."


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i've been waiting as well for a new set able to reproduce scenes with slow pan without the jerkiness i'm experiencing right now on a 52" lcd, mostly watching HD DVDs with a toshiba A30.

last month, i was waiting for the pany 85U, expecting it would make a difference. well, i did a test this morning at a BB store. NO CIGAR! same jerkiness on that 85 (player on 1080p/24).
however, we tried the same HD disc, same player, same scene (you, me and dupree, begining chapter 9@ 50'30") and that slow pan in the classroom did look good on a sony XBR4 or 5. - no jerkiness.

so, now, i'm anxiously waiting for the 50pz800U, hoping that it will do the trick and give my mind a break
by the way, i experienced the same problem with many of my HD DVDs (casino is another one that comes to mind).

just to add to that old post of mine, i'm glad to mention that i've just learn to better describe the problem i'm having, in a more techy way:

let's talk about telecine judder !!!

surely hope that the 800U will adress the problem correctly!
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I have the 50pz800u on order at BigRiver, and it still says expected ship april25-may16

i really hope that Summer 2008 line is just Panasonic hedging their bets... I can't wait that long.

I want the 800u for the 24/p playback, so the 80u/85u just won't cut it. But, I may end up looking elsewhere for a tv if Panny takes longer than the end of April to fulfill my BigRiver purchase


i think it's about time for anyone interested in the 800U (or any other set by the way!) to stop focusing on big river and look around on this forum for wonderful sponsors offering great deals.
i did, and very happily, i just ordered my 50" 800U from clarity - buybestplasma.com - those guys rocks!
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Has anyone heard of New York Wholesale Audio Video? They have the
pz800u's at a great price. The lowest I've seen yet. I wanted to know if anyone here has dealt with them and if they are legit. The site claims to only deal in brand new merchandise. Thanks for any help.
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always check resellerratings that is a good way to tell about any vendor
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Does anyone know if the 800 series will allow for color decoder adjustments in the Service Menu? My 85 series suffers from some red push (as apparently most Panny Plasma's do?) with no way to fix it as there are no color decoder parameters in the service menu ...

 

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just to add to that old post of mine, i'm glad to mention that i've just learn to better describe the problem i'm having, in a more techy way:

let's talk about telecine judder !!!

surely hope that the 800U will adress the problem correctly!

This is interesting, there is a recent review of the 42" 85 series on a UK site that seems to imply the set didn't suffer from telecine judder. Could be the source material though (i.e., worse on some then others)?


http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/Panasonic-...85B/Conclusion

 

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Does anyone know if the PZ800 series plasmas will be able to tune a mixture of NTSC, QAM, and 8VSB simultaneously? As opposed to having to switch between an "air" and "cable" mode and then do a complete re-scan. I have found through experience that new Samsung LCDs can handle all modes but Sharps require a mode switch and re-scan.

In case anyone asks why that would ever be needed, my office has an in-house TV system that uses a mixture of off-air NTSC and 8VSB, combined with internal QAM channels.
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This is interesting, there is a recent review of the 42" 85 series on a UK site that seems to imply the set didn't suffer from telecine judder. Could be the source material though (i.e., worse on some then others)?


http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/Panasonic-...85B/Conclusion


it seems that the review is referring to european model -
so, they're talking about PAL land. probably much more forgiving!!!
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This is interesting, there is a recent review of the 42" 85 series on a UK site that seems to imply the set didn't suffer from telecine judder. Could be the source material though (i.e., worse on some then others)?


http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/Panasonic-...85B/Conclusion


Good to read that review, thanks pbc.

The set didn't suffer from telecine judder (or 3:2 frame repeat judder as I like to call it since it's more descriptive) because the UK 85u has 24p native playback (their equivalent of 2:2 "24p cinematic playback" feature that the US 800u has) unlike the US 85u version which was originally supposed to have it as per early press releases and then later it was taken off.

I think this is the first review we have seen of that feature so it's good news.

Also I believe the US versions don't have the IFC feature which is good (I don't care for frame interpolation to produce material that does not originally exist)


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Actually i'm not sure we can take a review of the euro feature to mean anything for the US one....

The US "24p cinematic playback" is clearly defined as 2:2 frame repeat to get a 48Hz display output. In comparision the Euro version of 24p called "24p Real Cinema" is not clearly defined on the panny feature website - http://panasonic.net/pavc/viera/features/europe.html.

Is theirs doing 2:2 frame repeat at 48Hz also?

Also reg IFC, it talks about adding a 6th frame every 1/10th sec. I don't get why a display panel would need to do this on a 50Hz PAL input source. When the IFC webpage first came out I had joked earlier in the main 2008 thread that there would be no need to do that UNLESS the panel is actually operating at 60Hz (to save cost!? ) and hence you NEED to add that extra frame to bring 50i PAL to 60Hz.....but nobody ever came up with any reason....anyone know yet?


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Has anyone heard of New York Wholesale Audio Video? They have the
pz800u's at a great price. The lowest I've seen yet. I wanted to know if anyone here has dealt with them and if they are legit. The site claims to only deal in brand new merchandise. Thanks for any help.

They certainly do show a lot of premium gear, and have a twin site under the name of Dependable Audio Video. They are also specifically cited at the Sunfire web site as a dealer where the Sunfire warranty will not be honored:

http://www.sunfire.com/dealers.htm

I started to buy from them a few years ago and they had me talking with Uncles Stereo to complete the order. I never did.

Don't know if the comments at Sunfire are simply Sunfire' s being upset over their discounts, or if there have been other issues.

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Just noticed Crutchfield has the 800U's up for preorder.

Does anybody know what scaler these have or if they will be as good / better than the Reon stuff like in the Onkyo 875?
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Crutchfield doesn't just have them up for preorder. They claim to have them in stock!

However, they don't give a shipping time in the shopping cart. I'm not going to purchase the item just to see the shipping time estimate.

Anyone know if they ACTUALLY have them in stock? I'll pull the damn trigger if they do.
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Crutchfield doesn't just have them up for preorder. They claim to have them in stock!

However, they don't give a shipping time in the shopping cart. I'm not going to purchase the item just to see the shipping time estimate.

Anyone know if they ACTUALLY have them in stock? I'll pull the damn trigger if they do.

It's written "Out of Stock".
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