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post #631 of 5681 Old 05-05-2008, 06:44 PM
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I haven't taken a good look at these sets myself (yet), but if you trust cnet, then:

Blacks: 1st Pioneer 5080, 2nd Panny PZ85, 3rd Sammy A550

Colour Accuracy: 1st A550, 2nd 5080, 3rd PZ85

Best in Bright rooms: 1st PZ85, 2nd 5080, 3rd A550 (they said it was significantly more reflective than pio and panny)

Uniformity across the screen: 1st 5080, 2nd A550, 3rd 85U

Noise reduction: 1st A550, 2nd 5080, 3rd PZ85

Still in the Plasma hunt. Was holding between Pioneer and Plasma but new Samsungs look attractive and improved on value esp. when considering a 58".

Curious as to how the reviewer finds the Samsung better than Pioneer on "Color Accuracy" and "Noise Reduction". Assuming then that the reviewer is comparing among calibrated sets in all cases the claim would seem to have at least some credibility no?

It appears that most agree that Pio and to a lesser degree Panny have at least slightly better Black Levels is it fair to say Black Levels get the highest respect from most videophiles. It appears so as I read in these boards, so I'm wondering the relative importance of "Color Accuracy" and "Noise Reduction" (not to mention "Uniformity") among videophiles and enthusiasts?

What is comparison of black level Sam 58A550 (2008) vs Panny pz58700u (2007)?

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just at BB in canada ... in store sale is over at 9 p.m. but the online sale is over may 6th at 10 a.m. i highly recommend the 58550 and what a great price at $3150.

Got mine today. Delivery is set for Wed May 7. Paid $3000 plus $50 delivery.

Also got the 4 year service plan for $550. Not sure if I should keep the plan. Is it worth it for $550?

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Well I am past my 100hrs and I have bumped my set up to the Cnet settings. I am extremely impressed so far. Saw an outdoor program where they were going to Alaska. They were flying in on a plane and landing on a lake. It was incredible. Then when they were out on the trail, the trees and grass, and leaves looked like out of a window. This set seems to be very accurate to me. I also watched the BD of The Water Horse, and I had no IR of the black bars at all. I smile everytime I watch something on it. I also am finding myself watching my movies again. I have updated my receiver, sub, and now my set.

Great TV so far.


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if you're gonna buy it at best buy buy it tonight

customer appreciation sale is 6-9pm tonight only. 10% off so it would be $3150

Thanks Viper98. I was pleasantly surprised to see the discount applied to this weeks sale price. Bought it at $3150. Anyone who has already taken delivery may have a problem PM as the fine print reads they won't apply the discount on previous purchases.
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Got mine today. Delivery is set for Wed May 7. Paid $### plus $50 delivery.

Also got the 4 year service plan for $550. Not sure if I should keep the plan. Is it worth it for $550?

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Did they write "packaged deal" on your receipt? That's what they did with mine, gave it to me for the same 10% off the sale price and $350 for the warranty, then reduced the price of the TV on the receipt by $150 and added that to the warranty cost for some reason, but they wrote "packaged deal" and the guy said if I wanted to return anything I'd have to return everything on the receipt (which was only the warranty and TV).

 

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Does the pn58a550 support hdmi 1.3 and Deepcolor?
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I thought I read that there is a setting where you can find out the number of hours on the TV. If anyone knows how to do it, can they please post. Otherwise I'll assume I dreamt it.
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Can you describe the difference in real 24p processing (kuro 72hz 3:3) to the way sammy handles it?


Samsung as I understand it:

24p film source hddisc video is output as 1080p24hz by the player and the monitor accepts that signal and adds 2:3 pulldown cadence to display it at 1080p60hz.

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24p film source hddisc video is processed by the player to add 2:3 pulldown cadence and outputs it to the monitor as 1080p60hz and the monitor accepts that signal and does proper 2:3 pulldown detection and reverses the 2:3 pulldown to reconstruct the 24p (reverse telecine) and displays it at 60hz.


(There must be something I'm not getting because the monitor adds 2:3, or removes it, but displays at 60hz in both cases.)
How does a monitor display reverse telecine'd 24p at 60hz? I thought the reason it did 2:3 pulldown was to change the frequency of the refresh to a multiple of 60 so it could be displayed on a 60hz monitor.


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24p film source hddisc video is output as 24p by the player and the tv triples each frame (3:3) to display it at 1080p72hz.

Well.... why would the display take a 60p input, remove 3:2 pulldown, then add it back? Makes no sense. The display simply displays the 60p input since it is already in the right format. If there are errors in the 60p source, you see the errors. There's no real advantage to this TV accepting 24p since the 24p ends up at 60p just as it would if the player was set to output 60p. I'm seeing no difference with the player(s) set to 24p or 60p.

Pioneer Kuros don't always change 24p to 72p... there's only 1 mode that does that and if you neglect to select that mode, you'll see 60p.

You may be thinking about the "Film Mode" on the Samsung... that's only available for interlaced inputs and does some monkey motion to remove pulldown, deinterlace, then adds back the 3:2 frames in progressive mode. This is so there are no frames that are "mixed" from 2 adjacent frames.
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Did they write "packaged deal" on your receipt? That's what they did with mine, gave it to me for the same 10% off the sale price and $350 for the warranty, then reduced the price of the TV on the receipt by $150 and added that to the warranty cost for some reason, but they wrote "packaged deal" and the guy said if I wanted to return anything I'd have to return everything on the receipt (which was only the warranty and TV).

I just checked my reciept and it does say package price. However, he never said I had to keep the warranty.

I bought it with an American express and just found out their warranty company doubles the manufacturers warranty for (2 more years in this case) -so I have little use for BB`s service plan. Any one have any stregies to get my $550 back and keep the TV for $3049 with delivery.

Thanks,

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The only thing I can think of is to complain like hell, or threaten to return both the TV and warranty ... note, they may actually take the return though. I would imagine they are profitting quite a bit on the warranty and not as much on the TV. Must be some reason they drop the price on the TV and up the price on the warranty.

 

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I just checked my reciept and it does say package price. However, he never said I had to keep the warranty.

I bought it with an American express and just found out their warranty company doubles the manufacturers warranty for (2 more years in this case) -so I have little use for BB`s service plan. Any one have any stregies to get my $550 back and keep the TV for $3049 with delivery.

Thanks,

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American Express doubles your warranty up to one year. Check your fine print. I'm pretty sure AE can only add one year to your warranty.
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Thanks Viper98. I was pleasantly surprised to see the discount applied to this weeks sale price. Bought it at $3150. Anyone who has already taken delivery may have a problem PM as the fine print reads they won't apply the discount on previous purchases.

i bought mine last tuesday (april 26) for 3700 then got it price matched for 3500 and went in last night when the sale was on and got it dropped to 3150 so i'm very happy.
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bought mine using visa which adds an extra year warranty ... is the samsung warranty on this tv one year or two years?
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2 years.

 

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The warranty on this tv is 1 year. The previous model was 2 years.
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Pretty sure I checked on Samsung's CDN website (as I haven't gotten the set yet to check the documents) and it said 2 years on the A550 ...

 

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Maybe 2 years for Canada; US is 1 year

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/re...Type=D&vType=R
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how is the standard definition on the 50 inch 550?
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BestBuy Canada says 2 years, bestbuy USA and Cnet say 1 year. Interesting that Canada would get 2 years. This is one of the only sets that is priced similarly in both the US and Canada as well. Maybe Samsung is actually giving Canada a fair shake for once

As for Deep-Colour, I seem to remember reading that it does have it, but I can't seem to find it recorded anywhere, so my memory might be playing tricks on me.
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This is a general question for fellow owners, please do not think this is a "known issue" unless and until more people confirm this.

I have the PN50A550.

Q: Have any other owners seen green flashes of color appear *very briefly* , and almost always perpendicular to the screen, while watching the TV.

This could be *my vision* , or *my brain*, but I see long green flashes of light appear sometimes. And it is *not* reproducible.

Example: I'm watching TV (usually on the DVR from HD) and I notice a brief flash of green. I hit the rewind button and play the exact same scene again and the green flash does not reappear. This happens when playing the Xbox 360 and watching a bluray disc (Ratatouille) but in each case I can not exactly reproduce the green flashes.

I've had the TV for about two weeks now. I am using the settings from the CNET review with some very slight changes to the contrast and color settings.

Is this really happening, or could it be something like the DLP "rainbow" effect that I can also see, but that most people can not?
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I'd love to see some real settings. The CNET settings are good, but I can't help feeling that they didn't spend a lot of time on them either. And it was for the 50". Anyway, if anyone has thoroughly gone through and calibrated their set, it would be great to try out your settings.
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This is a general question for fellow owners, please do not think this is a "known issue" unless and until more people confirm this.

I have the PN50A550.

Q: Have any other owners seen green flashes of color appear *very briefly* , and almost always perpendicular to the screen, while watching the TV.

This could be *my vision* , or *my brain*, but I see long green flashes of light appear sometimes. And it is *not* reproducible.

Example: I'm watching TV (usually on the DVR from HD) and I notice a brief flash of green. I hit the rewind button and play the exact same scene again and the green flash does not reappear. This happens when playing the Xbox 360 and watching a bluray disc (Ratatouille) but in each case I can not exactly reproduce the green flashes.

I've had the TV for about two weeks now. I am using the settings from the CNET review with some very slight changes to the contrast and color settings.

Is this really happening, or could it be something like the DLP "rainbow" effect that I can also see, but that most people can not?

i think 2 weeks in you should still be breaking the tv in. you should have all the settings really low for 100 hours at least.
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I'd love to see some real settings. The CNET settings are good, but I can't help feeling that they didn't spend a lot of time on them either. And it was for the 50". Anyway, if anyone has thoroughly gone through and calibrated their set, it would be great to try out your settings.

Going to see if I can borrow a SpyderTV and see what it says about colour, etc. I don't believe it can measure gamma, but not sure. Get my set tomorrow, will probably just run it for 100 hours straight (well, almost!) on a break-in DVD then mess around with it. Tried the CNET settings on the 58" at Futureshop and wasn't that impressed, picture looked washed out, mind you, it was next to a super bright LCD which was throwing me off.

 

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Concerning, especially if you can't reproduce it. Might want to consider exchanging or returning the set for another one before the times up and you have to deal with technicians who will want to see the issue reproduced ...

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This is a general question for fellow owners, please do not think this is a "known issue" unless and until more people confirm this.

I have the PN50A550.

Q: Have any other owners seen green flashes of color appear *very briefly* , and almost always perpendicular to the screen, while watching the TV.

This could be *my vision* , or *my brain*, but I see long green flashes of light appear sometimes. And it is *not* reproducible.

Example: I'm watching TV (usually on the DVR from HD) and I notice a brief flash of green. I hit the rewind button and play the exact same scene again and the green flash does not reappear. This happens when playing the Xbox 360 and watching a bluray disc (Ratatouille) but in each case I can not exactly reproduce the green flashes.

I've had the TV for about two weeks now. I am using the settings from the CNET review with some very slight changes to the contrast and color settings.

Is this really happening, or could it be something like the DLP "rainbow" effect that I can also see, but that most people can not?


 

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Tried the CNET settings on the 58" at Futureshop and wasn't that impressed, picture looked washed out, mind you, it was next to a super bright LCD which was throwing me off.

I think this would be my biggest complaint regarding my pn50a550. Because of the sub par anti-reflective screen, colors tend to look washed out when there is substantial ambient lighting, even if said light isn't falling directly on the screen. Blacks lighten up (though still stay far from gray), and as a result all other colors lose their punch. Mind you, it's not super problematic, the picture is still wonderful. It's just a helluva lot better at night.
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In fairness the PZ85U looked like crap too. Looked much better at my house, but I guess my lighting is more condusive to the sets.

 

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I got a 50a550 yesterday, only have a few hours on it, but I am VERY happy with this set. Was waiting on the 9g kuro, but the wife and I didn't really want to spend that kind of coin. I felt this set had the best bang for the buck for the price/competition.
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What is this 100 hour break period?

What settings should be used for the first 100 hours to break in on the 58"?

What are the ideal settings to be used during the break in?
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Just wanted to let everyone know, I found the PN50A550 in store at Circuit City for only $1499.99. Online it is showing it for 2199.99 but when I went to my local store on Sunset in Los Angeles it was there for this price, on Sale.

The older 720p Set was selling for 1699.99 so not sure why its so cheap but it is. Its not even in this weeks Ad.

Seems like a pretty hot deal. You may want to visit your local Circuit city and pick one up there.
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I got a 50a550 yesterday, only have a few hours on it, but I am VERY happy with this set. Was waiting on the 9g kuro, but the wife and I didn't really want to spend that kind of coin. I felt this set had the best bang for the buck for the price/competition.

Same here, although the black levels on that set look incredible in comparison to the Panny and Samsung (check out the pic in this thread ... http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1026930&page=2 )

Still can't justify double the price though...can't do it ... no ... can't do it ... (sorry, need to remind myself sometimes!). Really hope I'm happy with this set when it arrives, would hate to have to return it.

 

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