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KURO Plasma TVs for absolute picture quality
The new 2008 range of KURO plasma TVs exceeds the boundaries of what was thought possible in picture quality performance. The second generation KURO pushes closer to absolute black by further reducing the idling luminance and improving black levels five times over the previous 2007 KURO models. This has enabled Pioneer to accurately reproduce even higher contrast levels and deeper colours within the high-definition colour spectrum. The all-new 2008 KURO plasma TVs are available in 50 and 60-inch (availability depending on region).

Model No. - Screen Size (Diagonal) - Resolution - Availability
PDP-LX5090 127 cm (50 inch) 1920X1080p at 100Hz June
PDP-LX6090 152 cm (60 inch) 1920X1080p at 100Hz June
PDP-LX5090H 127 cm (50 inch) 1920X1080p at 100Hz depending on region
PDP-LX6090H 152 cm (60 inch) 1920X1080p at 100Hz depending on region

KURO LCD TVs for smaller screen sizes
The KURO LCD TV range is HD ready 1080p' compliant with 100Hz frame mode, offering an unmatched fast moving picture performance. What is more, the LCD TVs feature an anti-reflective filter, triple HDMI 1.3 support and a specially tuned, high-standard picture quality. This latest Pioneer product is available in three sizes: 32 inch, 37 inch and 46 inch and differentiates itself from KURO plasma TVs in terms of design with an attractive aluminum look' finish.

KURO Front Projector for large size screens
Developed specifically for cinephiles with a dedicated home cinema room, the KURO projector is configured for screen sizes starting from 60 inches. Aside from displaying signature KURO style cosmetics, it supports advanced calibration and is in line with the KURO benchmark of deep black levels and rich colours, resulting in the unmistakable look of film. It incorporates LCOS 1080p technology, producing the highest native contrast ratio. Based on 3 x 0.7 inch D-ILA, it boasts a wide lens shift capacity and dual HDMI 1.3 support.

Pioneer Europe announces it is expanding its KURO product portfolio into other display technologies. Its HD ready 1080p' Front Screen Projector and range of LCD TVs celebrate sight and sound in all their senses, guaranteeing the ultimate viewing experience to the most discerning entertainment junkies.

Just as KURO Full HD plasma TVs are setting the standard in the high-definition market, Pioneer will introduce its Front Screen Projector and LCD TV range that deliver the same industry-leading quality and 1080p performance. The move illustrates Pioneer's flexibility to fulfill affluent consumers' increasing demand for a premium full HD experience regardless of set-up performance or screen size.

We are consistently setting the standard for excellence within the HD display category, as evidenced by our award-winning KURO plasma TVs. This introduction is a natural progression to establishing Pioneer's uncompromised quality across other display technologies. All our products are Full HD - HD ready 1080p', enlightens Marnix Somers, Director Home Business Division, Pioneer Europe.

Our consumers have been continuously challenging us and now we can offer premium products across the range - regardless of the home environment.
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interesting!

well i guess i better drive my 6 week old 5080 down to the tip.

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What is different about the models with an "H" at the end?
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Pioneer Plasma 9G Kuro Information
Model - available - retail price

Pioneer PDP 5020FD - June - $4,000

Elite PRO 111FD - July - $5,000


Pioneer PDP 6020FD - June - $5,500

Elite PRO 151FD - late July - $6,500


Pioneer pushes closer to absolute black by further reducing the idling luminance and
improving black levels five times over the previous 2007 KURO models.

3.7 inches thick panel, reduced by nearly 20 percent.
A new remote control in line with the look and feel of Pioneer’s AV product range.
Ready for ISF C3 calibration to customize the TV’s settings.

Pioneer News April 2nd:
http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/content/pr...ws/kuroG9.html

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What is different about the models with an "H" at the end?

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these are NOT USA models.
so who cares?


Umm, I'm guessing the thousands of AVSers who live in other countries. Come on guys, we in the U.S., need to remember we're not the only ones here.

Heck, I'm in the United States - and I care. I think it gives us more info about what's coming.
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Pioneer Plasma 9G Kuro Information
Model - available - retail price

Pioneer PDP 5020FD - June - $4,000

Elite PRO 111FD - July - $5,000


Pioneer PDP 6020FD - June - $5,500

Elite PRO 151FD - late July - $6,500


Pioneer pushes closer to absolute black by further reducing the idling luminance and
improving black levels five times over the previous 2007 KURO models.

3.7 inches thick panel, reduced by nearly 20 percent.
A new remote control in line with the look and feel of Pioneer's AV product range.
Ready for ISF C3 calibration to customize the TV's settings.

Pioneer News April 2nd:
http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/content/pr...ws/kuroG9.html



these are NOT USA models.
so who cares?

I agree with Vashti - don't be the Ugly American. Many valuable contributors to this forum live abroad. Also, the first Kuro reviews will likely be from Britain.

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The "H" models add some funny features like Home Media Gallery, DVB-S2 HDTV satellite tuners etc...
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I agree with Vashti - don't be the Ugly American. Many valuable contributors to this forum live abroad. Also, the first Kuro reviews will likely be from Britain.

no big deal.

you are right though... okay... I will delete.
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okay.. for those who can not read the link I just posted...

here is what the H stand for:

* A digital terrestrial and satellite tuner compliant with EICTA ‘HD TV 1080p’ Minimum Requirements and supporting MPEG-4 high definition decoding

* An advanced user interface with KURO-style graphics

* DLNA compliant ‘Home Media Gallery’ for playback of digital assets such as movies, music and photos through a home network or via USB

if I am wrong... I really don't care.
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I was hoping they'd be coming out with something bigger than 60".
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Umm, I'm guessing the thousands of AVSers who live in other countries. Come on guys, we in the U.S., need to remember we're not the only ones here.

Heck, I'm in the United States - and I care. I think it gives us more info about what's coming.

I also care a little bit... but if I lived in Europe... I would care a lot more.
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not me.

I can barely afford a 50"

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I was hoping they'd be coming out with something bigger than 60".

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Would it be better to buy a pro 1150 hd now or wait for the new models to go on clearance next year?
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Please Pioneer start blowing out the 6010. I need a bargain and a nice 60" set in my den.
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Wooooooooo Hooooooooo!!
6020 here I come!!
Or should I spend the extra 1000 bucks and get the holy grail of HDTV THE Pro-151Fd?????
Desicions desicions!!

I can't even begin to imagine the blacklevels and PQ of the pro-151fd.

I took my 5080 back 2 days ago and am using a Phillips 720p plasma right now. boy do i miss my kuro!

If I get the Pro-151fd it might be a bad thing. Becasue I will probably become a couch potatoe and call in to work all the time.lol.

I have a question:
I noticed that the original post on this thread mentioned 100hz.
Is that the refresh rate??
Can someone explain this to me?
What will 100hz instead of 72hz like the 8th gen. provide?
Will it reduce judder better and give the Kuro's the Super smooth "soap opera or home video" look like you see on the 120hz LCD's???
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chadmak09, they are 100Hz for Europe as their line voltage is 220VAC 50Hz.

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The 100Hz applies to the European Kuros only, it's for PAL content (25/50 fps).

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So will there be a replacement for the LX608D or is that the 6090H? Our equivalent 150FD Elite? Or are those the only models? The reason I am asking is right now USA models are very popular in Europe because of pricing advantages and the $$ value.
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Niiice.

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Let's see some USA specs, NTSC stuff.
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chadmak09, they are 100Hz for Europe as their line voltage is 220VAC 50Hz.

Nope.

AFAIK both USA and European Pioneer models can easily sync to 1080p24, 1080p25, 1080p30, 1080p48, 1080p50 and 1080p60 and also show every of those natively without frame rate conversion (other than frame doubling/tripling). 100Hz will be used for 25/50p inputs on both European and USA models.

When do you US guys understand that we live in a somewhat united world these days?
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There is no such thing as 1080p48.

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There is no such thing as 1080p48.

There is no such source format. But that doesn't stop anybody from using 1080p48 as a transport format. E.g. I can easily configure my graphics card to 1920x1080 with 48/1.001Hz. That would be 1080p48. Also my video processor easily support 1080p48 as input and output formats. And there are also many front projectors which support 1080p48 as input format. Also the Pioneer plasmas support that, AFAIK.

E.g. see here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=789889
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Nope.

AFAIK both USA and European Pioneer models can easily sync to 1080p24, 1080p25, 1080p30, 1080p48, 1080p50 and 1080p60 and also show every of those natively without frame rate conversion (other than frame doubling/tripling). 100Hz will be used for 25/50p inputs on both European and USA models.

When do you US guys understand that we live in a somewhat united world these days?

I have been saying this for a long time that US models do work in Europe automatically via HDMI. Its been seen hundreds of times
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How is 5 times better blacks of the 151fd going to effect the picture? I just got a floor model 150FD and love the picture, however I have 30 days to decide whether or not to keep it or return it and wait for the 151FD. Can someone please explain just how 5 times better blacks will look as compared to what I have now in the 150FD.
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Does this mean that the regular models will be ISF C3 calibration ready?
(isn't this different that the current models?)

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Pioneer Plasma 9G Kuro Information
Model - available - retail price

Pioneer PDP 5020FD - June - $4,000

Elite PRO 111FD - July - $5,000


Pioneer PDP 6020FD - June - $5,500

Elite PRO 151FD - late July - $6,500


Pioneer pushes closer to absolute black by further reducing the idling luminance and
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3.7 inches thick panel, reduced by nearly 20 percent.
A new remote control in line with the look and feel of Pioneer's AV product range.
Ready for ISF C3 calibration to customize the TV's settings.

Pioneer News April 2nd:
http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/content/pr...ws/kuroG9.html

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KURO Plasma TVs for absolute picture quality
The new 2008 range of KURO plasma TVs exceeds the boundaries of what was thought possible in picture quality performance. The second generation KURO pushes closer to absolute black by further reducing the idling luminance and improving black levels five times over the previous 2007 KURO models. This has enabled Pioneer to accurately reproduce even higher contrast levels and deeper colours within the high-definition colour spectrum.

The last Kuro had 80% lower blacks. The new Kuro is 500% lower than that?
I'm in.
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Any idea when we'll see those LCD's?
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Any guesses on the price of 6090? $1000 off 6020's 5500 price?
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Any guesses on the price of 6090? $1000 off 6020's 5500 price?

I think you have misinterpreted what the LX6090 is. The LX6090 is the EU equivalent of the 6020.
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