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post #361 of 7982 Old 05-09-2008, 03:12 PM
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I checked the online link at Pioneer site and seems like all the authorized online dealer are only selling non-elite models.

Does it mean that anyone selling online Elite models in not authorized?

Also will I be taking a huge risk in buying from someone who is not on
the authorized list of online dealers? What are those risks?
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http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/FindStore you can do a search by a zip code. As long as the dealer buys from authorized distributors as stated in the contract the SN# is tracked and warranty is valid for 2 years from Pioneer. You just have to do the research on the dealer as well.
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There are many places where you can order via phone. You can't order an elite on-line - but pick up the phone and call them, and you're okay as long as they're authorized Pio dealers. If they're not, walk away. Pioneer says they won't honor warranty unless you buy from an authorized dealer. While many say this is illegal and if you push it, you'll win, I'd rather not have to.
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How about we wait and see if there is problems when it comes out. It is to early to start this.

Too early to complain about a product that hasn't been released yet? The devil you say...

Kidding aside, did the initial group of 8G's released last year have any substantial problems fixed later in the run?
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Do I take this to mean that panel buzz emanating from the glass itself will persist as a problem? That is, for those of us who were "sensitive" to that issue with the 8G's, we can expect no change with the 9G's?

Rumour has it that this year Pio has the power supply and some of the other electronic systems housed in a sepereate box that is connected to the screen via a cable. The 8Gs had the power supply directly attached to the screen, as well as some of the other major electronic components, which was rumoured to have caused the buzz.
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There are many places where you can order via phone. You can't order an elite on-line - but pick up the phone and call them, and you're okay as long as they're authorized Pio dealers. If they're not, walk away. Pioneer says they won't honor warranty unless you buy from an authorized dealer. While many say this is illegal and if you push it, you'll win, I'd rather not have to.

So wise Vashti; Pioneer reps are tiring of "authorized" "unauthorized" dealer questions. Authorized dealers TV's have valid warranties - Unauthorized dealers do not. Check out Pioneers web site @ www.pioneerelectronics.com -click on "Products" then click on "Authorized Online Stores". The list is there and you will not have to challenge Pioneer for warranty coverage if you purchase from any of these dealers. The entire Elite line is unauthorized from e-tailers.

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Too early to complain about a product that hasn't been released yet? The devil you say...

Kidding aside, did the initial group of 8G's released last year have any substantial problems fixed later in the run?

Even the 5010's and 6010's manufactured in 2008 still had some issues.
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I could not find if this fact was already posted but the 8G was the last Pioneer manufactured line of plasma's. They are now manufactured by another big name and sold by Pioneer. Would explain the lower MSRP's. Read this at CEPro and was told by a Magnolia employee.

Interesting because I was at Magnolia in San Jose yesterday, and I was told the exact same thing by one of their employees. He said this is why their MSRP will be lower.
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Rumour has it that this year Pio has the power supply and some of the other electronic systems housed in a sepereate box that is connected to the screen via a cable. The 8Gs had the power supply directly attached to the screen, as well as some of the other major electronic components, which was rumoured to have caused the buzz.

D-Nice has said a couple of times that there will be NO external media box... Just a false rumor. I miss my 1110's external box. very convenient.

What is dead can never die. Long live my 151!
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Not a problem. Hopefully Monday will bring good news to all.

Can't wait 'til Monday.
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Interesting because I was at Magnolia in San Jose yesterday, and I was told the exact same thing by one of their employees. He said this is why their MSRP will be lower.

It's simply not true. The 2008 9g Pioneers will be MADE BY PIONEER, next year, Panasonic will be supplying the glass, but they will still be assembled by Pioneer.

Patience has its rewards.
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It's simply not true. The 2008 9g Pioneers will be MADE BY PIONEER, next year, Panasonic will be supplying the glass, but they will still be assembled by Pioneer.

+1. THE 9G PIONEERS ARE PURELY PIONEER!!! The 10gs will have Panasonic glass, but will be assembled and the driving algorithm will still be with Pioneer. They will be built to Pioneer's specs. I'm sick of hearing otherwise.

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Interesting because I was at Magnolia in San Jose yesterday, and I was told the exact same thing by one of their employees. He said this is why their MSRP will be lower.

It astounds me that in this day of the information age, the amount of misinformation that gets passed around. I was told the same thing by a Tweeter sales rep.

Does no one read anymore? One would think if one is buying this kind of geer, to say nothing of selling it, that they would at least read the trade news and get their facts straight.
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i think part of the reason for all the misinformation is because Pioneer simply announced their 2009 plan of using Panasonic panel way too early, why did they think it was a good idea to announce it just before their own 2008 line came out? they should have waited until next year to make the announcement.
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Because they wanted to show their shareholders and the stock market that they were doing something to reduce the flow of red ink from their plasma division.

It does seem it would be wise for Pioneer to demand some mandatory "continuing education" concerning the 9G line among their B+M re-sellers, though.
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Hey guys,

I'm busy reading several pages back trying to keep up with this thread, so bear with me if my question has already been answered.

I remember a while back in this thread about one of the major differences between the non-elites and the elites being that the non-elites are in some sort of color mode 1, and the elites are in a color mode 2. I thought the only real difference between the elites and the non-elites was the elites had more settings for the real tecky. So.... will a elite out preform a non-elite.... all things being equal (settings, room conditions, etc...)

If so, would the use of a outboard scaler help the non-elite? I'm looking at the 6020 and I do have a outboard scaler (lumagen HDQ).

Any advice would be appreciated.
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Thats a good question of why someone should buy a non-elite vs elite. For me, most of the viewing will be Directv (70%) and Blue Ray (20%) and games 10%. When I talk to some of the B&M stores (High end Audio Video), since they sell Elites, I get arguments, you are going to buy a TV once in 8-10 years and should buy the best that is out there in the market. The sofware and the glass is better quality vs Non-Elite. Its getting very confusing.

I would like to buy from a Forum Sponsor to save money but then it adds dilemma as to who will be the right forum sponsor to go buy an Elite from if I do decide to go that route, if its non-elite, then there is a better choice between the forum sponsors.
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wait a minute, back up the truck for a second...

Am I mis-understanding you NanoRish when you say The sofware and the glass is better quality vs Non-Elite. - I'm taking it as the elites have all around better glass than the non-elites, and are you saying that the bulk of the software is better in the elites than in the non-elites?

I thought they were close to the same TV set, other than a few minor mods - same guts just different tweeking.
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Thats a good question of why someone should buy a non-elite vs elite. For me, most of the viewing will be Directv (70%) and Blue Ray (20%) and games 10%. When I talk to some of the B&M stores (High end Audio Video), since they sell Elites, I get arguments, you are going to buy a TV once in 8-10 years and should buy the best that is out there in the market. The sofware and the glass is better quality vs Non-Elite. Its getting very confusing.

I would like to buy from a Forum Sponsor to save money but then it adds dilemma as to who will be the right forum sponsor to go buy an Elite from if I do decide to go that route, if its non-elite, then there is a better choice between the forum sponsors.

If you decide to go Elite, these are the forum sponsors who sell them:

BuyBestPlasma/Clarity
Axxis Audio
Value Electronics

As you said, there are more choices if you go Non-Elite.

Patience has its rewards.
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Pioneer Canada MSRP prices are apparently going to be

5500$ for the 111FD
7500$ for the 151FD.

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Pioneer Canada MSRP prices are apparently going to be

5500$ for the 111FD
7500$ for the 151FD.

I guess that's better than, what was it, $9000 for the 150FD? Poor Canadians.

Patience has its rewards.
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I remember a while back in this thread about one of the major differences between the non-elites and the elites being that the non-elites are in some sort of color mode 1, and the elites are in a color mode 2. I thought the only real difference between the elites and the non-elites was the elites had more settings for the real tecky. So.... will a elite out preform a non-elite.... all things being equal (settings, room conditions, etc...)

Here's my take:

1.
Elites have colorspace 1 & 2, while non only has 1. Colorspace 2 is fantastic
for theatrical movies (watch Harry Potter or Star Wars!!) and is not just for
'techies', while Colorspace1 is good for stuff like sports and animated movies
as it amplifies the greens and reds from what I remember.

2.
Elites allow discrete gamma *AND* colour settings! This alone is important
as stuff like shadow details and colour accuracy can be optimized. Often
there are posts indicating lack of shadow-details or red-push. These 2
functions allow immense customization of the TV. Both are best adjusted
by a professional, but many users here share awesome settings to get you
going. Make no mistake, these 2 settings have a HUGE impact on the TV's
performance. In fact, I had an amazing gamma setting to get some wicked
whites on my TV (something folks complain about) and another gives the TV
a nice evening-like hue.

3.
Elite stand sits the TV lower which, for 60 inches, is better as it can sit on
a medium height table. Non-elite TV stands elevate the viewable screen of
the TV by about the height of the speakers (3-4 inches) which can be an
issue if the table that you plan on sitting the TV on is not super low. Your
optimum viewing level of the TV could be compromized. You don't want to
be looking upwards (even slightly) to watch the TV (hurts the neck)

4.
Elite stand also hides the cables for the TV with or without speakers. With
the non-elite stand, the cables are exposed if you don't use the speakers.

There are other differences, but those are the ones that I find are very
important to consider. Some folks (myself included) argue the elites are
the ones to get for more than just 'tweaks' or whatever folks try to say.
Without the above (and some other) features, the elites and the non-elites
perform similarly. However, the above features make all the difference and
adds heaps more flexibility. I also own a 4280 (non-elite 42 inch) and I will
honestly say that I truly miss colorspace2, gamma, and colour settings. A
lot of movies just don't look as good without these settings. If you've never
seen such options on an elite, then you probably won't notice, but once you've
seen it on an elite, it's VERY VERY hard to go back! Just a warning. Pioneers
are already expensive, and frankly, you might as well consider the extra money
if you're going that direction. I just spent a heap on staining my stairwell (new
house) as there's no way I'd cheap out on my brand new home. It cost me
enough as it is, so why cheap out now?
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i think part of the reason for all the misinformation is because Pioneer simply announced their 2009 plan of using Panasonic panel way too early, why did they think it was a good idea to announce it just before their own 2008 line came out? they should have waited until next year to make the announcement.

To encourage buyers now before they "downgrade" the panel


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Does anyone know if there are aftermarket stands that will fit the 60"er and have the ability to swivel at least 15 degrees?

PS: Nambit, that was the best Elite vs. Non-Elite feature comparison I've read in awhile.
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Don't want to start a pricing thread here but I just called Tweeter and they are still doing the same pre-order price they were offering before even after the higher MSRPs have been announced....Offer is good till the end of May I was told. 20% deposit required.


please pm me the details.....please and thx
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Pioneer Canada MSRP prices are apparently going to be

5500$ for the 111FD
7500$ for the 151FD.

That's it!! No 9G for me at those MSRP's!

(Thanks for the PM and link, but man, $2000 difference betwen the 6020 and Pro-151 elite for Canada?!)
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I'm sure the 6020 will be more than $5500 (I'd guess $6500) in Canada. There will probably be a $1000 difference between the 6020 and the 151, we'll just be paying a $1000 more than the US for both the 60' models.
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I'm sure the 6020 will be more than $5500 (I'd guess $6500) in Canada. There will probably be a $1000 difference between the 6020 and the 151, we'll just be paying a $1000 more than the US for both the 60' models.

Read the article (thanks to xrox for the link!):
http://www.hereshow.ca/news_detail.asp?nid=1230

Hmm... I think you and xrox are right. Those non-elites match
the US MSRP, so perhaps they only quoted the U.S. MSRP price
for the non-elites, while the Canadian for the elites.
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That's it!! No 9G for me at those MSRP's!

(Thanks for the PM and link, but man, $2000 difference betwen the 6020 and Pro-151 elite for Canada?!)

Hold the phone Nambit, this ain't street prices. Besides, you know better than most that you should hold off after initial release for the clamor to settle down first before you get a deal.
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That's it!! No 9G for me at those MSRP's!

(Thanks for the PM and link, but man, $2000 difference betwen the 6020 and Pro-151 elite for Canada?!)

The explanation has always been ... a 2 year warranty in Canada vs 1 year in the USA. And extra shipping ... since all sets go to the USA first, then to Canada!!! So how in the world does that add up to $2000!!!!

Not only are the prices higher but the dealerships stink in this city ... the only quality dealership for Pioneer Elite in this town shut down their retail store (now only do custom installations). So I have yet to see a PRO150FD demo!

The main dealer in this city says they do not have to demo them because customers are buying them sight unseen. And on the Pioneers they do demo they only show standard DVD's ... I have yet to see any Blu-ray or HiDef broadcasts on any of them!!! However, the price I was quoted by that dealer on the Pro150FD was about $1500 below list.

There are a couple of smaller dealers in the area I will check out when it comes time to buy my Pro151FD or 141FD ... but I may have to buy sight unseen ... and just trust those on this forum with your reviews!

There was one quality dealer than tried to get a dealership after the other one closed, but was told by Pioneer Canada they already had enough dealers in this city!!!

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