Originally Posted by Panoneer
I saw you stated that you planned to purchase an 800U a few posts back. I'm very interested to know (as I'm sure many readers are) how you came to this decision. Especially given your apparent admiration and extensive knowledge of the comparative advantages of going Kuro Elite with the picture processing, blacks, CR, 24p, Pure Mode, Calibration advantages, just to name a few. And your chastizing of Panasonic for it's CR numbers -- which I believe you described as extremely insulting to the consumer. As well as your belief that the 9G's Kuro Elite is the best and the 800U won't come close in many respects.
I originally planned on getting one 46PZ850u for my daughter and have now decided to go with two 42PZ800u. Reason?
- One 42PZ800u is going to one my daughters and she is only 3. She doesn't need a Kuro Elite. The second 42PZ800u will go into the guest bedroom....unless the 32" Vizio plasma is as impressive as others say it is. The non-Elite's oversaturated cyan, reds, and greens will not allow me to bring one home.
- The THX mode on the 800u is suppose to give very accurate colors and I'll take a hit in black levels for more accurate colors.
- LCDs can do nothing for me besides show the internet and/or Windows Vista.
- I know that Samsung has much better colors than Panasonic. However, I do not buy Samsung products as I dislike the entire company.
- After this year, I'm not allowed to purchase any new TV unless one breaks and cannot be repaired under warranty.....So I cannot wait on a 10G 42" Pioneer Kuro.
- Keep the peace between Pioneer and Panasonic owners.
And yes I chastised Panasonic for their utter BS contrast ratio claims. I'll do the same for Pioneer, if they go the route of Panasonic.
Do you already own any Kuro models?
I currently own a 1150 Elite Kuro.
And can you shed light for those of us looking at the cost/value analysis between the two ends of the spectrum -- 800U and 111FD?
I don't get into these type of exchanges as you should evaluate both and see which one is more pleasing to your eyes....and checkbook (if money matters).
Do you figure the 800U is 'good enough' for now and better to save the added price of a 9G Kuro for future purchases?
That is something you are gonna have to decide on your own.
Do you think someone who purchases a 9G Kuro Elite for ~$2k more than an 800U is getting good value for that $2k, can you elaborate a bit on that?
Why do you think someone would have to pay 2K more for an Elite 9G Kuro?
What features are important to you that the 800U is adequate enough at or does well?
For the specific applications the 800u will be used in my home, the only thing that matters is color reproduction and "acceptable" black levels. 0.009fL is acceptable in my book, but only for specific applications.
Do you think there is much better technology coming down the pipe in the short term (say in 2-3 years) that would lead you to believe that laying down the additional cash for a 9G Kuro/Elite, is a poor investment at this time? (Q3 08) (ie. ECC Kuro, Panasonic+Pioneer, 2160p, 10G+ Kuro, etc.)
There is always something better in the development pipeline. If I could continue to upgrade every year I would. However, I've been told no...HELL not to be exact. The 9Gs will be a very good option for someone who plans to keep the TV greater than 4 years.
Issues that are keeping me from an 800U include reported poor 24p processing (48hz flicker reported), ghosting, CR, blacks, and of course, knowing that there is a (much?) better TV out there -- what do you think about the impact of these issues? (And do you have anything to add about the reports of 24p being flickery and noticeably 'off'; compared 72hz Pure Mode of a 9G Elite?)
The "issues" you have pointed out are valid flaws. The 800u would not be my personal HT plasma due to said "issues". However, those things may be acceptable for someone else. Just like the buzz, streaking, and blotches "issues" some Kuro owners are having and cause them to return their panels for something else (my panel doesn't exhibit any of said issues).
How can you live with second best being such a videophile and knowing what you know about the make, quality, design and features of these two panels.
It all boils down to application usage. I won't be using the 800u for any critical viewing or as a main display. As I've stated before, I'll take a hit in minimum luminance levels for more accurate colors (800u with THX mode only).