Originally Posted by Nuance
I got to compare a 5010 and 5020 side-by-side the other day. I used the same remote to take them out of Dynamic mode. I adjusted them by eye to look as similar as possible. What did I think? Well, to be honest, besides the slightly better color saturation, I wasn't terribly impressed. The blacks were a little deeper, but if they weren't side-by-side I'd probably either not notice at all or only notice in a lowly lit environment.
I think one of the things that really urked me was the lack of picture options. As we all found out from D-Nice's review, everything is kind of locked out or hard wired and chosen by Pioneer to give the best overall picture. I am very unhappy about this. I feel that I can tweak the picture of the 5010 more to my liking. No, the blacks aren't as deep and there is a little red push, but I know how to remove the red push using the SM. As for the blacks, sure I wish I had the deeper ink, but the 5010 was actually sharper and more detailed to my eyes than the 5020. I'll take the sharper SD and HD picture over the slightly better blacks any day.
So am I the only one? If so, oh well. I just wanted to post my $0.02. I am a very happy 8th gen owner.
P.S. This is in no offense to anyone.
Originally Posted by antennahead
As a 5010 owner who has not yet seen a 5020, but talked to some other owners prior to pulling the trigger on a fantastic deal......... I would have to say I agree with you. There is no argument that the 5020 has deeper blacks, but I don't watch in a totally blacked out room, just a dimmly lit one. The removal of too many adjustments in the 5020 was more than I could live with, and the price for an Elite was double my 5010. Also, your comments about the sharpness pan out with some other comments I've read. While not as black, I personally prefer the additional adjustment capability and the very sharp picture. To each his own, the 5020/6020 still beats everything out there except an Elite. Had the price I paid for the 5010 been close to a 5020 I think I would have had a real dilemma.
These comments are very similar to my thinking on this issue. I saw the 8G 110 and 9G 111 almost side-by-side (a Panasonic 850 was between) and if it weren't for an interview scene with an all-black background, I wouldn't have noted much of a difference either. With the right kind of feed the 9G blacks will look obviously better, I think, but this isn't to say the 8G sets are bad. As important as they are, black levels are only one part of PQ, and for many (such as yourselves) picture controls are also important. I'm trying to weigh all important (to me) aspects of a TV, and mainain a sense of perspective about it all. Reality (aka "budget") has a lot to say as well. I hope to see both generations set up properly and fed the same variety of material next week; that should settle it for me once and for all. The remaining 8Gs won't be around forever, so a decision must be made soon.
Plus, there's that nagging issue of the 9G having fewer analog connections than the 8G (and other TVs as well).
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