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This thread has truly piqued my interest! I have a XBR5 and have been following the Kuro line very closely!

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Hi,
Please forgive the noob question. From what I understand, the difference between 141fd and 151fd is that the 141 cannot display over the air tv signals and does not have speakers. The rest of the specs are identical, and it will work with an STB (as long as run through surround sound). Is there something else I might be missing?
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The PRO-141FD is significantly thinner than the PRO-151FD.

2.3" vs 3.5"

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The PRO-141FD is significantly thinner than the PRO-151FD.

Hopefully significantly cheaper as well.

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OK, I am in a dilemma.

I sit at 10 feet from my screen. The Pioneer Kuro will be my first HDTV. I want the 60", so which model should I look into it?

Signature?
Elite?
Regular Pio?

I am a newbie on HDTV, but I appreciate hi-quality. I work on motion graphics and commercials for television and film and I really want to see the work I do broadcast or presented on a beautiful set. Money is somewhat an issue. I heard by the time they ship the displays we can expect a 20% markdown on the MSRP. I hope that's true.

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Any word on Tru2way compatibility?

I wonder if this feature will get some love on the 10G models. Panny seems to be fond of it so it may be integrated on the Kuros in the next round.
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You need a little glow so you can notice that you forgot to turn the TV off!

When the ECC Kuros come out, there will be an avalanche of complaints from owners who can't determine if it is on or off.

There's already an annoying blue LED for that. Hopefully this year you'll have the option to turn it off rather than dimming it, or I'll have to get the Blu-Tack out. It's funny that with them having such emphasis on black that they have a bright blue LED on when the display is powered up.

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I don't think those pics do the 9Gs justice. In most of those pics you can't tell a difference between the 8G and 9G (or even some of the other plasmas for that matter.

It looks like there is really only an improvement in on/off contrast ratio, rather than ANSI. With mixed-contrast scenes, there is virtually no change with the 8/9G displays, but with low-contrast images it's more visible:



I must say, it is a bit disappointing though, I was hoping for a bigger difference in black levels compared to last year. I was all set to go for the best 60ʺ model, but now I'm not so sure.

I wish Engadget had left the EXIF information embedded in the photos.
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There's already an annoying blue LED for that. Hopefully this year you'll have the option to turn it off rather than dimming it, or I'll have to get the Blu-Tack out. It's funny that with them having such emphasis on black that they have a bright blue LED on when the display is powered up.


It looks like there is really only an improvement in on/off contrast ratio, rather than ANSI. With mixed-contrast scenes, there is virtually no change with the 8/9G displays, but with low-contrast images it's more visible

I must say, it is a bit disappointing though, I was hoping for a bigger difference in black levels compared to last year. I was all set to go for the best 60ʺ model, but now I'm not so sure.

Are you coming to that conclusion based on photos from the internet?

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Are you coming to that conclusion based on photos from the internet?

Of course, it's a perfectly reasonable conclusion. Any of the images where there are a lot of bright objects on-screen, the 8/9G displays look virtually identical in the photographs, with the 9Gs offering only very slight improvements in black level. In the one pictured above which has hardly any bright objects, the blacks are much deeper.

D-Nice has already stated previously that the main difference is on/off contrast improvements rather than ANSI. That's not to say ANSI hasn't improved, but it's not nearly as much as the on/off CR.

The good thing is that with high contrast images, your eye perceives black levels to be deeper than they actually are, so the 9Gs should hopefully give the appearance of black most of the time.
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Maybe we should wait until the TV is released before we get disappointed??
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can someone explain to me the cable card slot? does that mean no need for a cable box? What about dvr capability? Is it a big plus to have. DO the 5010 and 6010 have it. Will the 9 G's have it?
Do all of the 8G models hum/buzz? I want the 9G 6020 but dont think the wifey is gonna ok that sort of coin and says it will be 2 big. So leaning towards the 5020 but am keeping my options open.
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I must say, it is a bit disappointing though, I was hoping for a bigger difference in black levels compared to last year. I was all set to go for the best 60ʺ model, but now I'm not so sure.


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Anybody know if thats the new panasonic to the left or if that is that last years model?

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I could not find if this fact was already posted but the 8G was the last Pioneer manufactured line of plasma's. They are now manufactured by another big name and sold by Pioneer. Would explain the lower MSRP's. Read this at CEPro and was told by a Magnolia employee.

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I could not find if this fact was already posted but the 8G was the last Pioneer manufactured line of plasma's. They are now manufactured by another big name and sold by Pioneer. Would explain the lower MSRP's. Read this at CEPro and was told by a Magnolia employee.

This is completely untrue. The 9G is made by Pioneer just as the 8G was. The 10G glass panel will be manufactured in Panasonic's facilities by Pioneer's plasma team, but the displays will be assembled in Pioneer's plants. Your sources are full of it.
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This is completely untrue. The 9G is made by Pioneer just as the 8G was. The 10G glass panel will be manufactured in Panasonic's facilities by Pioneer's plasma team, but the displays will be assembled in Pioneer's plants. Your sources are full of it.

definitely sounds like you know more specifics than they did. Disregard my prior post.

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2 questions.
2. Will there be any improvements to modes like smooth? I can see "stuttering" (or whatever you want to call it) on smooth (or even advanced) sometimes while watching blu-ray movies.

Thanks!


This is more important and I think many of us would like to know. I guess
we're more interested in the improvements over the 8G as the 8G was awesome
already.
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definitely sounds like you know more specifics than they did. Disregard my prior post.

Hey, no biggy. Might not be a bad idea to set the Magnolia employee straight, though, before he kills a bunch of Elite sales with misinformation.
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What is the Signature Line? Is it suppose to be better than Elite?

The monitor version I think. Something similar to Panasonics Pro UK line.

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Man. I am really impressed with pioneers picture, but I do not know how you guys can justify the premium.

Here's how:

1. Look at picture
2. Justification.

I think folks who are used to Pioneer's premium (not saying that I am) will
have no problems, especially when they consider what they paid for in the
past. Yeah, it's expensive relative to other stuff that's available, but such a
person won't care since it's still not nearly as bad as what they paid 2-5 years
ago. Something like that.
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Looks like someone already responded to koberlin1's post, but I just wanted to add that as far as the lower MSRPs go...well, that happens every year when new models come out. Technology gets cheaper all the time (unless it's brand new tech, i.e. OLED or LaserVue). I think ppl would be outraged if the 9g's weren't less expensive than last year's models.
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can someone explain to me the cable card slot? does that mean no need for a cable box? What about dvr capability? Is it a big plus to have. DO the 5010 and 6010 have it. Will the 9 G's have it?
Do all of the 8G models hum/buzz? I want the 9G 6020 but dont think the wifey is gonna ok that sort of coin and says it will be 2 big. So leaning towards the 5020 but am keeping my options open.


anyone? anyone.....bueller...bueller
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There's already an annoying blue LED for that. Hopefully this year you'll have the option to turn it off rather than dimming it, or I'll have to get the Blu-Tack out. It's funny that with them having such emphasis on black that they have a bright blue LED on when the display is powered up.


It looks like there is really only an improvement in on/off contrast ratio, rather than ANSI. With mixed-contrast scenes, there is virtually no change with the 8/9G displays, but with low-contrast images it's more visible:



I must say, it is a bit disappointing though, I was hoping for a bigger difference in black levels compared to last year. I was all set to go for the best 60ʺ model, but now I'm not so sure.

I wish Engadget had left the EXIF information embedded in the photos.

What?!?!

The ansi contrast on the 8G is amazing. I Find it's the on/off that needs
improving more than anything else. Also, you can't really get much blacker
than those pics you displayed. The ansi contrast for dark scenes are the
only things that need improving, but we don't see such shots.

Love the Pro-150FD as it is, even if it's not pefectly black yet. The actual
picture is just stunning. Looking forward to seeing the 151, but I gotta admit
(as I've said before) I might have to wait until the 10g anyhow because the
new house is costing too much.
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can someone explain to me the cable card slot? does that mean no need for a cable box? What about dvr capability? Is it a big plus to have. DO the 5010 and 6010 have it. Will the 9 G's have it?
Do all of the 8G models hum/buzz? I want the 9G 6020 but dont think the wifey is gonna ok that sort of coin and says it will be 2 big. So leaning towards the 5020 but am keeping my options open.

A cable card slot allows you to receive the cable signal without a box. They are reputed to create a much better picture because you've eliminated one thing between the signal and the picture. Some think the fact that they have had spotty support from cable companies and technical problems make them not worth it. The 8th generation had them. The 9th will not. Apparently, that was a last minute decision. Many companies have dropped them in the last year or two.

For 8th generation buzz, see that thread. Maybe they all buzz and only some hear it. Maybe most don't buzz.

Good luck with your decision.
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can someone explain to me the cable card slot? does that mean no need for a cable box? What about dvr capability? Is it a big plus to have. DO the 5010 and 6010 have it. Will the 9 G's have it?
Do all of the 8G models hum/buzz? I want the 9G 6020 but dont think the wifey is gonna ok that sort of coin and says it will be 2 big. So leaning towards the 5020 but am keeping my options open.


The TV itself will not have a cable card slot, and it will not have a built-in DVR. It will work perfectly fine with an external cable box / DVR, as is available from most cable and satellite service providers.

As far as the 8G "hum", only time will tell, I suppose, but I can't imagine that Pioneer didn't improve on that. Only a relatively small percentage of 8G's had an 'objectionable' buzz, anyway.

Keeping the wife happy is a good thing! Choose your battles wisely.

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