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I will be in the market for:

Pro 151FD & a PDP 5020FD

Please PM me as I would like to talk turkey.

Thank you in advance!

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I plan to get the 6010 or the 6020. I will be wall mounting the tv. I will be removing the speaker because I will be running the sound through a 5.1 system. What do you mean when you say the wiring will be exposed? What does "chicken legs" mean?

Looks like this:

If you leave the speaker bar on the bottom connected, you won't see the "Chicken Legs" or the wiring.

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Now that the 9Gs are about hit the streets, I'll be looking for a place to purchase one. Problem is, I'm in Sacramento, CA. Which sponsors will sell to me that will allow me to keep the Pio warrantee, along with a good return policy and a great price? Just seem like all the great retailers are down South or back East.
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As long as you buy from an authorized dealer/distributor, you'll get the warranty.

Patience has its rewards.
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Now that the 9Gs are about hit the streets, I'll be looking for a place to purchase one. Problem is, I'm in Sacramento, CA. Which sponsors will sell to me that will allow me to keep the Pio warrantee, along with a good return policy and a great price? Just seem like all the great retailers are down South or back East.

Just pull up the authorized list on Pioneers Website and take take your pick. All are great companies who will give you great pricing.
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yeah. but i don't think i want the speaker there unused. and i've only got two wires - power and one HDMI. i'm going to try to run them down one leg so you won't see them.
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If any sponsors have pricing on 6020 or PRO-151FD please PM me. Thanks!
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No offense guys lets not clog up the thread with the PM stuff. Once the pricing is available someone will post here
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If any sponsors have pricing on 6020 or PRO-151FD please PM me. Thanks!

Me Too!
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No offense guys lets not clog up the thread with the PM stuff. Once the pricing is available someone will post here

I agree with that. When pricing hits you all will know about it.
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The 'chicken legs' thing only applies to the Non-elites, where the speakers are on the bottom. Removing the speakers on the elite won't change the look of the bottom bezel. So you are fine.

If you get a non-elite, there is no point in removing the speaker unless you wish to wall mount. Removing it exposes all the wiring where there is a gap between the stand and the bezel. Besides, I believe the bottom speaker looks quite attractive, so even if you don't use it, you can just leave it there.

I agree that you may as well remove them on the elites (if you have an external sound system) whether you mount it or not.

Thanks for the response!! I guess I didn't pay attention and that makes perfect sense. It won't affect me because I am going ELITE all the way. I have been waiting for 6 years for the technology to come to this level (still running an HD Mitsubishi CRT Rear Proj) and now I am going for the BEST!!
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I totally agree with your larger post above xb re lcds - good explanation. Another thing that gets overlooked is that better black levels result in better color saturation in ALL scenes. That, to me, is the primary advantage of the Kuros balck level emphasis. The first time I saw a 4280 next to a Panny 700, the scenes being displayed were bright (it was the animated musical machine scene in a BB demo loop) but the color levels on the Kuro were richer (even after setting both up properly).

To be fair to Robert, he didn't say the difference between 8G and 9G was the same as 7G to 8G. Rather, he said it was noticeable but not as significant as the prior jump.


That scene you are talking about is the first thing I saw playing on a Kuro and it did stand out.

I thought Robert had said that but maybe I'm mistaken. I have seen that mentioned a few other times on different sites. Guess we'll hear about it soon enough hopefully.
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In the opinion of those who've been able to view the 8g and 9g in person, do you think the 9g is worth spending $1500 to $2000 more?
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In the opinion of those who've been able to view the 8g and 9g in person, do you think the 9g is worth spending $1500 to $2000 more?

Depends if 80% better blacks are worth it to you. Most will say it's worth waiting, but only you can decide.
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In the opinion of those who've been able to view the 8g and 9g in person, do you think the 9g is worth spending $1500 to $2000 more?

There is not going to be that much of a price difference. Just wait until the 9G's come out them compare prices with a forum sponsor. Then make your decision.
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In the opinion of those who've been able to view the 8g and 9g in person, do you think the 9g is worth spending $1500 to $2000 more?

To be honest, the 8G blacks are already fine for me (I haven't seen the 9G yet)
but I am actually more interested in the other improvements over the 8G. I
already own(ed) a Pro-150FD, the best plasma currently available by Pioneer,
so I know already how great the 8G's are. The colours are already amazingly
rich and accurate, but there's always room for improvement elsewhere. I am
seriously concerned about the motion options as that's where the TV could
use improvement. It seemed at least 2 of the modes (smooth/advanced) seemed
to have flaws (often I turned it 'off' instead). Also, the performance is okay
in a bright room, but it's definitely a little lacking under certain circumstances.
Better filtering and such could make things better (honestly, making the
screen brighter won't make as much a difference, IMHO). Also, many of us
are concerned about the buzzing of the 8G's which, hopefully, has been
reduced or even eliminated.

To be perfectly honest, I'm a bit disappointed that the bezel has hardly
changed (even though I love the 8G bezel) and the non-elite stands are,
well, crap in my opinion. They should have at least given them something
similar to the elite stands which are much better. Either that or allow some
sort of retractable solution, like shorter legs or something (to reduce height).

We need more info, for sure, but I can tell you as a (soon to be former) 8g
owner, I'd find it a bit difficult to be jealous of the folks who are buying a
9G. The 8G's are plenty fine and, outside of the better blacks, I'm just not
getting the 'vastly improved' feeling I got last year when I picked up the 8G.
I looked at the press release and the features, and they're very similar to
the exact features I have on my (soon to be sold with condo) Pro-150FD.
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Westa,

A lot of those displays actually deliver darker blacks than what is actually pictured. I take some of these photos with a grain of salt.

I must also say that there's just as much bias in the LCD forums and unfortunately many people who visit AVS are biased and their viewpoints focus on their own viewing habits. I mean no harm in this statement, but you can be very biased as well. You've made your feelings well known about the Panasonic PDPs regarding their white levels and screen glare and when you've shared your feelings you're straight forward and blunt.

The Pioneer Kuro's black levels aren't extraordinary in a room with lighting. From the comments I recall you posting most of your viewings have been in environments where there is ambient light. LCDs hold their own in black levels when there is a decent amount of light in the room. However, as environment lighting decreases so does black levels on LCDs. Kuro's show their strengths in dimmer lighting conditions. Other that Samsungs 71/650LCDs, EVERY LCD I've seen has a blueish tint to the black levels. I can see inadequate black levels on the Sony XBRs in Sony's own Sony store in the showroom. My Kuro's black levels look almost pure black in that type of environment. Yeah, you may not want to see yourself shaving in plasma during the daytime, however many of us DETEST blueish black levels and we see it LONG before the credits roll on the screen.

As far as the black crush comment goes I do agree with you. There is some black crush going on with the Kuro. If I can see the details on my SXRD and it's not there on the Kuro, then yes there is some black crush. The SXRD still rules in that area (but that's the only area it does).

And I also agree with you about the dimness of the Kuros. Although they are much better in home than in the stores. One thing for you to realize is that many here in the plasma forums tone down the picture to the extent that they are setup much more toned down that what you even see setup in the stores. So to them there's no brightness issue. I don't agree, but as the saying goes "beauty is in the eye of the beholder".


UM, I'm sorry but a calibrated Kuro elite has ZERO BLACK CRUSH! Anyone who says they see black crush on a kuro, is looking at one that is not calibrated right. I owned a XBR1 SXRD, and yes it had great shadow detail but not as good as my elite. 9Gs look great, but I'm holding out for ECC is 2009. D-nice is that still gonna happen? or do we have to wait until 2010 for the ECC?
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UM, I'm sorry but a calibrated Kuro elite has ZERO BLACK CRUSH! Anyone who says they see black crush on a kuro, is looking at one that is not calibrated right. I owned a XBR1 SXRD, and yes it had great shadow detail but not as good as my elite. 9Gs look great, but I'm holding out for ECC is 2009. D-nice is that still gonna happen? or do we have to wait until 2010 for the ECC?

I love this time of year, all the pros come out
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Changes (new technologies) could reveal new problems. At least we know what the 8g is and its problems. They seem to be isolated to a few and some people say it's not that bad.

I have a Hitachi 60VS810 with a failing light engine after 3 years and there are others out there with the same issue. I was an early adopter to that set and it was a "beaut" when it worked. I guess this is one of times I should of bought the extended warranty. So now I've got a $4,000 eco friendly tv with $1800.00 in repairs needed.
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I love this time of year, all the pros come out

We come out like worms after the rain, or cockroaches out of the woodwork.
This year will be tough, especially when I start selling the 9g's, but Next year I wont be able to shake UPGRADEITUS!
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Okay, let's just cut to the chase. I have a few questions and dont have time to go through a zillion pages of posts...

1. If I can afford the 9G Elite 60inch is it worth the extra grand? (although I think it's more than that because elite dealers typically do not deal and I have yet to find a mail order company who will ship an elite to me because they are scared of pi$$ing off Pioneer.

2. Is the 60inch Elite going to have the same dimensions as the non-elite? I have a real issue with width in my current cabinet.

Thank you.
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I loved my 5070 for almost 2 years,
swore up and down for over a year it was "good enough" for me
...but couldn't resist the draw of the new Kuro's

I got one of the last 5080's available in Canada last month at a price I couldnt resist
(less than half of what I paid for the 5070)

This time I'm not jumping until something bigger comes along than 60"

Great picture and deeper blacks are not going to be enough anymore
to get me to open my wallet again soon. I want 75"+ and would love another Pio plasma,
but I'm starting to look closer at front projection as an option.

Last night I dreamed of a Pio Kuro FP and a 12' screen.



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Okay, let's just cut to the chase. I have a few questions and dont have time to go through a zillion pages of posts...

Great straight line, but I'm going to leave it alone.

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1. If I can afford the 9G Elite 60inch is it worth the extra grand?

The reflection in your mirror has to answer that one.

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I think it's more than that because elite dealers typically do not deal and I have yet to find a mail order company who will ship an elite to me because they are scared of pi$$ing off Pioneer.

During the past year many people in the G8 threads bought Elite models from AVS sponsers. You just use your phone instead of your computer to order from them. Their ads are at the top and bottom of each page.

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2. Is the 60inch Elite going to have the same dimensions as the non-elite?

If you don't plan on using the TV's speakers, they should be identical. If you do use the speakers, the Elite will be about seven inches wider.
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Can anyone tell me what Forum Sponsors carry pioneer elite plasmas?
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HOW ABOUT SOME REAL SPECS?

even Tweeter etc. has them.

example: 151FD weighs 122 lbs.
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I will be sitting approx 13' from the set.

Which would be better for viewing the 50 " or the 60"?
thx
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I will be sitting approx 13' from the set.

Which would be better for viewing the 50 " or the 60"?
thx

no question the 60"

under 10' I could see going with the 50"
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I'm not one bit surprised about the lack of CableCARD. With SDV being deployed around the country, any CableCARD feature on a non-tru2way TV could be a useless feature.

So far only, Samsung, LG and Panasonic have announced tru2way TVs and even those won't be out until the fall and who knows when they'll actually be supported by the cable co. So far the FCC has not set a deadline that the cable co's have to support them.

As much as I'd love to have a Kuro with tru2way, it looks like we'll have to wait at least another year. As for tru2way in general, we should know alot more next week during the Cable Show as there are lots of tru2way sessions scheduled.

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As a noobie here I am sorry if this has been answered but.... I have the opportunity to get a PRO 150FD floor model from BB at a pretty reduced price. I am wondering if there would be an advantage to waiting and getting the newer model? I am told the floor model has been on display for about 4 months and it looks awesome. I have a Sony XRD DLP today but really would like to upgrade as we watch a lot of TV and movies. Also with Pioneer outsourcing their Plasma does that reinforce that now would be the time to get a Kuro Elite?

Thank you for your ideas.
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