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How did it look!?

Great, it's a Kuro! All joking aside, the home media gallery was cool for a minute and lost it's luster. I have 120Gb's of music shared and it is a pain in the butt to search through it all. I am going to get a mac mini and use that as a media server.

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Can somebody comment please: when I watch anything in Dot-by-Dot mode I always have a green line at the right side of the screen Please advise if it's a defect.
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Can somebody comment please: when I watch anything in Dot-by-Dot mode I always have a green line at the right side of the screen Please advise if it's a defect.

Is it with all sources or just your cable/sat STB?
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Same green here when using dot mode; using HR20-700 @ 1080i original mode into the 6020 via HDMI.
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Is it true I recalled that D-Nice stated somewhere that the 10th gen pio will not include a 60"? Is this the last year for the 60"?

If I remember correctly, this is because screen sizes are changing due to the outsourcing of the glass. There will likely be 58" and 65" models next year like Panasonic. Possibly larger I recall. Someone can correct me if I'm incorrect.
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Thanks for the link. The .m4v file I downloaded worked great!

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but if on dot by dot is it on all content including ota / hd movies and so on?

i got a feeling if 2 diffrent members got this error we might have a problem....

also i thought i ask if alot of people request can a update via firmware update issues like color temp and what not? i think it may end up with a big no since its hard coded but then again cant it be done?

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Is it with all sources or just your cable/sat STB?

this is from Verizon Fios STB. i haven't checked other sources yet. both SD and HD channels
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Thanks for the link. The .m4v file I downloaded worked great!

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Did you try a MKV file?
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I got my 6020 thursday and had it set up later that night.

Any audible buzzing when watching it? It seems pretty much all 6020 reviews I've seen here so far have mentioned buzzing, although one of them said it was only audible when behind the tv, and I don't care about that at all.
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this is from Verizon Fios STB. i haven't checked other sources yet. both SD and HD channels


Be sure to let us know if your having the same problem while using DVD, VHS, Camcorder, Blu-ray, HD-DVD, S-VHS, OTA, Xbox 360, Playstion 3, Laserdisc etc.

Also, try another HDMI input while using your Verizon Fios STB and see if your having the same problem.

Movies must be OAR, sports and movies must also have 5.1 audio, No EE or NO SALE!
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Same green here when using dot mode; using HR20-700 @ 1080i original mode into the 6020 via HDMI.


The HR20-700, is that a DirecTV Satellite receiver? Have you tried other sources? Did you try using another input on the TV?

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Any audible buzzing when watching it? It seems pretty much all 6020 reviews I've seen here so far have mentioned buzzing, although one of them said it was only audible when behind the tv, and I don't care about that at all.

Yes there's buzzing. It easily blends into the background noise when I sit about 9ft from the tv and the volume at low so as to not wake up the kids in the room directly above. The hum from the DVR is far more noticeable.
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but if on dot by dot is it on all content including ota / hd movies and so on?

i got a feeling if 2 diffrent members got this error we might have a problem....

also i thought i ask if alot of people request can a update via firmware update issues like color temp and what not? i think it may end up with a big no since its hard coded but then again cant it be done?

I get a left-side white line on the local NBC HD from my DVR. But I had that also on my previous set.
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Did you try a MKV file?

They will probably work if you rename them to .avi
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guys those of you with those issues try all inputs/connections and diffrent source's then let us know where it presents an issue.... usualy its one channel or certain broadcast because of broadcast issues etc etc.... details please, oh try other cables as well

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Can somebody comment please: when I watch anything in Dot-by-Dot mode I always have a green line at the right side of the screen Please advise if it's a defect.


I had just bought a Panny 50PZ85U that has a dot-for-dot mode (called size 2) and did the exact same thing. After hashing out this issue in the 85U Owners thread, it is undoubtedly an issue with the source. Whether it is the actual channel or the provider, I don't know. But I have a Comcast DVR and would get a solid line on some full 16:9 channels and a white, dashed-line on top of several HD channels that showed 4:3 programming and had black bars. Panasonic's solution to this is to offer you size 1. However, size 1 effectively zooms the picture ever so slightly to cut off those lines. The biggest drawback to this, though, is a loss in PQ. That was unnacceptable to me.

I had read in a previous 5010/6010 Kuro Owners thread that the 8G's had a "picture position" feature where you can shift the picture around in dot-to-dot mode without having to zoom in any way. In addition, I just upgraded my DVR to the DCH 3416, which also has a picture position feature.

Ideally, these broadcasts should be free of "junk" lines, but I think that moving the picture is probably the best solution without compromising PQ.

So, I don't think there is anything wrong with your TV - it is merely showing all data being sent.

P.S. Overall, I wasn't satisfied with the 85U's PQ and it had 2 dead pixels as well. I just ordered a 6020, it will be my first Kuro, and I am really excited. This will replace a Samsung 5053, which imo, had a better PQ showing cable HD content. Specifically, I felt like the Panasonic looked flat and less vibrant than the sammy. I know this flies in the face of all the new tech and hoopla about panny's improved blacks/contrast ratio, but the samsung image just seemed deeper to me when I A/B'ed them with the same source. In the end, I decided that I was plenty discerning enough to really appreciate the difference between a Kuro and the rest.

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Also, the Samsung 5053 (720p, 1080i) that I have never showed any junk lines, so I wonder whether it is cutting off those lines with or without some zooming. Either way, it does it and the PQ is sharper than the Panny in Size 1.

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this is from Verizon Fios STB. i haven't checked other sources yet. both SD and HD channels

I don't get it on mine, but it's more than likely your source. Most devices assume a bit of overscan which is normal for virtually any TV. Of course in a dot by dot mode there is no overscan and you tend to see 'picture garbage' that is not seen with almost any degree of overscan.
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Any audible buzzing when watching it? It seems pretty much all 6020 reviews I've seen here so far have mentioned buzzing, although one of them said it was only audible when behind the tv, and I don't care about that at all.

The buzzing isn't audible while viewing.
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Same green here when using dot mode; using HR20-700 @ 1080i original mode into the 6020 via HDMI.

Do you get that on ALL 1080i channels?

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The set is in my master bedroom, so I'll play with it some more this evening and report back in the AM.
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I am sorry to hear how D-nices 6020 arrived yesterday. Does anyone know if his replacement set is being shipped door-to-door....I hope........

9G KURO equipped.
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The set is in my master bedroom, so I'll play with it some more this evening and report back in the AM.

I have 1080i from my SA 8300 to my 6020 with no green line. SD is 480p.

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What is the advantage with dot to dot??
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I'm not sure on this one. Depends on what 9G the review. If it is an Elite....absolutely. However, if it is a non-Elite, then it may equal or get a slightly lower score due to the lack of color temp controls (and for some reason David chooses not to do SM calibrations anymore.....what's up with that???). Time will tell.

You are probably right.
Last year I think the only Kuro they gave the full work-up review was the 5080 which won editors choice award.

If they deciide to use the 6020/5020 for thier review set,
I can already see "No Color Temperature Controls" in the Cons section.
Maybe they will do the 111 this time.
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Any audible buzzing when watching it? It seems pretty much all 6020 reviews I've seen here so far have mentioned buzzing, although one of them said it was only audible when behind the tv, and I don't care about that at all.

All plasmas buzz to some degree.
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I am sorry to hear how D-nices 6020 arrived yesterday. Does anyone know if his replacement set is being shipped door-to-door....I hope........

He's dealing with Robert...the new one I believe is already on its way.
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Thanks for the post, how do you feel the lack of temp adjustment on the 9G works out? That's the only thing that has me concerned.

I learned quite a bit from the DVD Essentials software. They report that high def sets are purposely miss-calibrated before shipped so as to grab one's attention while on display in large chain stores. To punch up the picture and draw your eye to them or in some cases to cover up short-comings that may be inherent by design. Manufactures could have them come fully calibrated and compliant to whatever standard is being adhered to at the time. So the fact that all reports thus far are stating the 9G Kuro's are close to standard is indeed good news as we don't have to wonder if we're getting an accurate picture or not. And for the price they cost we should be able to get that.
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BRO this is called tourch mode

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I learned quite a bit from the DVD Essentials software. They report that high def sets are purposely miss-calibrated before shipped so as to grab one's attention while on display in large chain stores. To punch up the picture and draw your eye to them or in some cases to cover up short-comings that may be inherent by design. Manufactures could have them come fully calibrated and compliant to whatever standard is being adhered to at the time. So the fact that all reports thus far are stating the 9G Kuro's are close to standard is indeed good news as we don't have to wonder if we're getting an accurate picture or not. And for the price they cost we should be able to get that.


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