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More pictures. I think they are overexposed a little bit.

By the way. With the Peerless 670 mount and the spacers, I was able to hook all my cords up (2 HDMI, Component, LR Sound, Ethernet, Antenna, Power, Toslink out) while the TV was on the wall before I attached the speaker.

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congratulations To both of the new owners! the guy wit the cam try manuel iso mode

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One other option for regular "dusting" is one of the handheld "swiffer" dusters. Very soft and fluffy Microfiber duster, works quite well on my 6010 and "holds" the dust well too, to keep simply "transferring the dust from one place to another..."


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Whatever that colts thing is in the second picture, I loved it. . Great pictures... Doesn't quite do the team justice. You need to be at the RCA dome (or Lucas... Need opening tickets for that...)

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More pictures. I think they are overexposed a little bit.

By the way. With the Peerless 670 mount and the spacers, I was able to hook all my cords up (2 HDMI, Component, LR Sound, Ethernet, Antenna, Power, Toslink out) while the TV was on the wall before I attached the speaker.

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10. Lost Season 4 Finale

Congrats on the new set! Thanks for posting those pictures. How did you get the tv mounted? Did you have a "helper"?
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Wahoo! Just got my new 6020 today from Alex at Invision - however, the torture is that the wife doesn't want to be the helper since she fear she will drop it. Hence, I have a new tv sitting in a box! UGH.

Thanks to Invision for a completely smooth transaction and easy to deal with! They, like all of the forum sponsors, are great. I feared the Internet delivery of a 60" plasma, but this certainly beats the local shops. The 6020 came shipped via Fedex LTL in three days. No broken glass or marks on the television and box was in good shape. It was nice to see driver had been careful with television in keeping it upright in truck! Now let's hope it works.....report back soon.

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Whatever that colts thing is in the second picture, I loved it. . Great pictures... Doesn't quite do the team justice. You need to be at the RCA dome (or Lucas... Need opening tickets for that...)


That thing is a Budweiser display piece. It is triangular and has a Budweiser picture on one side. My wife's aunt used to run a convenience store and nabbed it for us. I'm a Colts season ticket holder. You're right. Watching on TV ain't the same.


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Congrats on the new set! Thanks for posting those pictures. How did you get the tv mounted? Did you have a "helper"?


Thanks! I put the wall mount base on the wall myself. I was also able to attach the mounting brackets on the TV without lifting it out of the base of its box. My father-in-law helped me lift it on the wall. The center of the TV is at eye level when you are standing, so we had to lift the TV up fairly high. I wish the panel was a little lower, but I have an in-wall cabinet that I put in awhile back. It is just as well anyway as I have a little one that will eventually be running around the house with exploring hands.

I plugged everything in and attached the speaker after the TV was hanging. The whole job took about 90 minutes, but I was making sure to do everything properly.

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Can someone help with dishnetwork settings (722) for the 6020. Do I set the output to 480i, 720p or 1080i. Any other setting recommendations would be appreciated.
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Are these sets shipped from their respective dealers or are they coming directly from Pioneer or a Pioneer distributor?

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i dont have dish so wait on others but is their a "native" mode where it lets the kuro do the scaling by it self? ask dish though i have directv

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I am glad the #'s are picking up on new owners! Congrats to everyone!
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Do you guys think my Integra 9.8s Reon chip will have better video processing than the 6020?

I ask because it greatly enchanced the picture of my 47 inch Westinghouse LCD.

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I might have taken you up on it given your hotlanta location. I am in Charlotte, NC. Pics coming soon....

Seperately, has anyone tried to connect a line in the rear from a hook to a stud in the wall to prevent tipping? The manual tells you to find a M8 hook. Well - those aren't exactly available in Home Depot/Lowes. I have just screwed the base tip protectors in the rear into the stand..so think I should be ok?
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I used to own a Pro-150FD elite and there was a pretty distinct high pitched
whine sound when the TV was powered off/standby mode. It was like the ringing
in one's ear and was mainly noticeable when things were pretty quiet. Does
this still happen on the 6020's?

I'm also hoping there are no streaks as I'm sure Pioneer fixed whatever was
causing it. You'd notice it with bright solid content that moved vertically.

Question for DAMAC:
Being that you owned a 5080 which had brighter whites, generally, than my
past Pro-150FD, would you say the 6020's whites are on par or even better
than what you experienced on the 5080?

Thanks for all your impressions and congratulations!
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Are these sets shipped from their respective dealers or are they coming directly from Pioneer or a Pioneer distributor?

Pioneer does not ship to customers for dealers they ship to the Pioneer distributors and then they are shipped for the dealers through the different distribution center groups they are connected with. or the dealer may get their own instore stock and ship out if needed.

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Pioneer does not ship to customers for dealers they ship to the Pioneer distributors and then they are shipped for the dealers through the different distribution center groups they are connected with. or the dealer may get their own instore stock and ship out if needed.

roman as an expert if thats wrong you can clairfy

Well, in my case, I live(d) very close to Pioneer's HQ in Markham, Ontario,
Canada, and my dealer arranged for pioneer to ship directly to my condo. I
saved a bundle doing this as it only cost something like $70, and the guy even
set up the TV for me. Mind you, this was a special case I'm sure, but I figured
I'd let you know that, at least in Canada, it is possible.
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lol, ok an exception for canada.........some of that savings probably were still captured in the canadain pricing markups though huh??

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some of that savings probably were still captured in the canadain pricing markups though huh??

Yeah, and the same crap appears to be happening for the 151 as we're hearing
MSRP's of $7500 all of a sudden. They're seriously trying to steer me away
again. Even with the amazing deal I might get, I am starting to wonder if I
should support Pioneer Canada. They already screwed me on support for an
elite panel that had streaks last time round. Sigh... I'm such a lemming, I still
want the damned TV.
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if they came down to the usa msrp $6500 would they still give 3 yr warranty too?

didn't you have a front panel buzz issue too?

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Next year, I would like to put this in my bedroom. So, I specifically asked about a standby buzz, and was told ...

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They've never buzzed in standby.

Now Nambit says, "I used to own a Pro-150FD elite and there was a pretty distinct high pitched whine sound when the TV was powered off/standby mode. It was like the ringing in one's ear and was mainly noticeable when things were pretty quiet."

I do not want a mosquito in my bedroom. Who is right? ... more importantly, do the new 9G's do it???
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Next year, I would like to put this in my bedroom. So, I specifically asked about a standby buzz, and was told ...



Now Nambit says, "I used to own a Pro-150FD elite and there was a pretty distinct high pitched whine sound when the TV was powered off/standby mode. It was like the ringing in one's ear and was mainly noticeable when things were pretty quiet."

I do not want a mosquito in my bedroom. Who is right? ... more importantly, do the new 9G's do it???

My PRO-150FD makes a barely audible buzzing sound when on & is 'silent' when powered off in standby mode.

It's too early to tell what, if any, anomalies will accompany the 9G Kuro's
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Can someone help with dishnetwork settings (722) for the 6020. Do I set the output to 480i, 720p or 1080i. Any other setting recommendations would be appreciated.

I have the Dish 622 receiver, and I've had better luck with 1080i. I wish these receiver had a native mode where is just outputs the content as is and lets the TV do the rest, but we don't have that choice. I would say more content is distributed at 1080i whether it is HD cable or OTA HD, so I would stick with 1080i. Plus, in my experience it has looked better.

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I used to own a Pro-150FD elite and there was a pretty distinct high pitched
whine sound when the TV was powered off/standby mode. It was like the ringing
in one's ear and was mainly noticeable when things were pretty quiet. Does
this still happen on the 6020's?

I'm also hoping there are no streaks as I'm sure Pioneer fixed whatever was
causing it. You'd notice it with bright solid content that moved vertically.

Question for DAMAC:
Being that you owned a 5080 which had brighter whites, generally, than my
past Pro-150FD, would you say the 6020's whites are on par or even better
than what you experienced on the 5080?

Thanks for all your impressions and congratulations!

I would say brightness is about the same between the 5080 and the 6020. I returned my 5080 about 2 weeks ago, so I am going by memory (I did watch A LOT of content on the 5080 while I had it, though).

I'll put it this way. There is nothing that the 5080 did better than the 6020 (brightness, whites, or anything else). I'll have to say that the 6020 doesn't completely kick the 5080's butt in terms of blacks, contrast, and color (accuracy and saturation), but there is no arguing that it is better.

I also had a Samsung LN52A650 for several weeks, and the colors on it really popped. I returned it because of the weaker black levels and the overly bright whites when the settings where best for black levels (plus I could never get the skintones to look nearly as good as on the Kuros). The 6020 has that vivd color pop that I liked on the Sammy LCD, but it has none of the inferiorities that bothered me about it.

I have been recording some content to view on the 6020. Some shows that had some real pop to them that looked fantastic included The Stanley Cup Finals, The Price Is Right Million Dollar Spectacular, Ice Road Truckers, and a couple NFL games I had. Despite the desire like everyone here for inky blacks, I still like a lot of pop in my picture with the appropriate content. I really think the 6020 offers that.

I can't wait to see what happens in the next 100 hours as thing breaks in.

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DAMC, does it bother you that you have fewer menu options on the 6020?
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I received my Kuro today. It arrived in perfect shape. I got it hung on the wall with a Peerless flush wall mount (the 670 I believe). I immediately changed all the settings I could to the 6010 reference settings (awaiting D-Nice's review). My problem is that I only have a crappy DVD player and my HD-DVR from Dish as sources at this point (and OTA HD). I sold my HTPC with Blu-ray player and a lot of other stuff to justify the purchase of the 6020. I figured I could always save up and replace everything I sold, but I can't easily upgrade plasma panels like this.

Anyway, I heard the buzzing from about 6-8 feet when the HD-DVR was paused. Other than that it didn't bother me at all. I am sitting at about 11 feet away from the screen. The picture quality is great, but to be honest I am not seeing a monumental improvement in quality over the 5080 that I had for awhile from the distance I am sitting. The blacks are blacker and the colors are more vivid. I can't really appreciate the resolution improvement when I am viewing OTA and Sat recordings on my HD-DVR however. I am sure the difference will be even more evident when I have Blu-ray content again. I do have some 1080p files on the PC that I will have to stream to the 6020 to see what that looks like as I do have the 6020 networked.

OK, I did take some pictures, but I suck as a photographer. These photos certainly don't do the live picture any justice.

1. 6020 after lifting off the box
2. 6020 from side
3. Scene from Hary Potter GOF (OTA HD)
4. Scene from Hary Potter GOF (OTA HD)
5. 2007 NFL kickoff



Congrads, my 6020 came in yesterday too, but it had a nice spider-web crack across the entire panel. Second panel in the last three months that came with broken glass for me. From reading this thread it seems that more are being delivered damaged than not. Anyone have any thoughts on this? I mean the box was undamaged, and the packing seemed pretty sound?
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ok heres the question of the century... last year i took at look at the sony xbr5 and the pionner 8 g elite model and the elite had the best picture period and the xbr 5 followed.. will this years 9 g non elite be it the 60 inch or the 50 inch 5020 or 6020 have a better pq than these sets
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Congrads, my 6020 came in yesterday too, but it had a nice spider-web crack across the entire panel. Second panel in the last three months that came with broken glass for me. From reading this thread it seems that more are being delivered damaged than not. Anyone have any thoughts on this? I mean the box was undamaged, and the packing seemed pretty sound?

Many more individuals can afford a 60" PDP now than just a few years ago. A 60" sheet of glass is not as strong as a 50" or 42" piece of glass & will shatter/crack more easily during shipping.
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Hi,

Is it possible to get the 6020 user manual on line ?

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DAMC, does it bother you that you have fewer menu options on the 6020?

I set everything as close to the 6010 reference settings that I could. I haven't had time to play around much more than that. I have never had a display calibrated, but the colors look good as far as I can tell. Skin tones look wonderful. It is even better than my 5080 (D-Nice reference settings used) was.

If I got my sets ISF calibrated, I'm sure the missing settings would be a problem. Since the colors already look this good, I don't mind so much. Like everyone else, I am waiting to see what D-Nice says about it. All I know is that the picture looks fantastic.

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