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I found the DVD images to be better than those downloaded to a thumb drive. Just download and burn the disc, and then follow the Sport mode setup instructions. Run the disc when you aren't watching something else to get the hours in, and don't be afraid to enjoy the panel as it is out of the box. I run two HDMIs to my panel. One from the cable box, and one from the receiver that gets the inputs of my various players. This way you can have two settings remembered for the inputs. Yes, turn off internal scaling within the receiver setup menus. For DVDs, use your own eyes to determine if you want the player to upscale or the panel to do that for a standard signal.

How do you get audio to your AV receiver from the cable box if you go directly to the panel? Digital audio cable?
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Just got a 6020 last night. WOW! It is killer! Replaced a rear projector LCD with a burn mark in the center of the screen.

I watched it for a while last night and I left it on all night with high def tv / no channel identifiers on. Better to burn the DVD or leave on the tv station??????
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How do you get audio to your AV receiver from the cable box if you go directly to the panel?

I use an optical cable, but the box also has digital coax. With a cable box, this isn't a problem since those cables easily support Dolby Digital. They won't support the new BluRay audio codecs, so for that, you need to run HDMI directly to your AVR, or run the 6 or 8 RCA cables. This method also makes it easy to just listen to the TV's speakers, or choose the AVR for the times you want surround sound.
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...Better to burn the DVD or leave on the tv station??????

Burn the break-in DVD and use that for getting some hours on the panel.
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I just purchased a Pioneer Pro 111FD. Will I need it calibrated and who would your recommend in the Chgo area?
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I just purchased a Pioneer Pro 111FD. Will I need it calibrated and who would your recommend in the Chgo area?

Depends on when you want it calibrated. For instance, I will be in the Chicago area this summer.
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Apologies if this has been asked/answered before But which stretch mode are people using for 2.35:1 movies? Personally I would prefer to watch them in the original aspect ratio, but I'm afraid of the dreaded IR/BI.

What say you all?
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Apologies if this has been asked/answered before But which A/V mode are people using for 2.35:1 movies? Personally I would prefer to watch them in the original aspect ratio, but I'm afraid of the dreaded IR/BI.

What say you all?

Did you mean stretch mode? How about Dot-by-Dot? IR/BI is a complete non-issue on the 9G Kuros.
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...which A/V mode are people using for 2.35:1 movies?....

As D-Nice stated, fear of IR or burn in isn't necessary...unless perhaps if you only watch 2.35/2.40:1 stuff exclusively. Use Movie mode for its more proper color temp for videos, Dot-by-Dot if you upconvert DVDs or play BluRay, and use the break-in DVD between sessions to get some hours on the panel. Afterwards, dial in your own calibration using a disc such as Avia or DVE, and you'll be very happy with the panel choice.
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bummer about the refurb. my 5020 arrived today from bbuy (thanks to the insanely cheap price last week). scheduled arrival: 8-10am. actual arrival: 7:59. the tv is currently doing the RGB dance so off to learn a bit more in the forums...

could someone p.m. me with the bb sale price last weekend.

i want to see if i can get bb to refund the difference from what i paid.
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hI ALL I had started a post looking for a little help in deciding on a new plasma. I am looking to upgrade my screen size from a 42" to a 50 and have it set between a panny G10 or a display model 5020FD. According to the store the 5020 was only on display for 3 months and I can get it for $1330. It has no visible flaws and I saw it running and appears to be ok. So I want to ask all here if the 5020 will still look better then the new generation pannys? So far I have read that the Pio is still king, is this true? Any help will be much appreciated as I need to make a decsion asap as the display model wont last. THanks in advance.
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I was just on pioneers website and they say you can use monster cleaning solution on a bunch of their tvs anybody ever use this.
here is the link when you get to the page scroll to the bottom of page to see all the models of tvs you can us it on...

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...een+TV+Cleaner
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I was just on pioneers website and they say you can use monster cleaning solution on a bunch of their tvs anybody ever use this.
here is the link when you get to the page scroll to the bottom of page to see all the models of tvs you can us it on...

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...een+TV+Cleaner

This is interesting, because the consensus here is to use distilled
water only and a microfiber towel. It even says so in the manual.

I like the note below on their website:

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IMPORTANT: Monster Flat Screen TV Cleaner has been tested ONLY with the following models: PDP-5010FD, PDP-5020FD, PDP-6010FD, PDP-6020FD, PDP-5080HD, PDP-4280HD, PRO-1150HD, PRO-950HD, PRO-110FD, PRO-111FD, PRO-101FD, PRO-150FD, PRO-151FD, PRO-141FD. Use of this product with a model not listed above could result in damage to the display.


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I know thats why I posted this I went on their site to maybe buy another cleaning cloth and found this.... D-nice have you ever heard of this?
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This is interesting, because the consensus here is to use distilled
water only and a microfiber towel. It even says so in the manual.

I like the note below on their website:

Nice find! Finally something I expected to exist does exist.

Amazon has it too but the bottle looks different:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...X0DER&v=glance

This is Pioneer page:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...+Cleaner?tab=B

But wonder if one of the images is outdated and buyer will actually get the same thing? Anyone plans to give it a try. I may order either one soon but it would be nice to hear some feedback.
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hI ALL I had started a post looking for a little help in deciding on a new plasma. I am looking to upgrade my screen size from a 42" to a 50 and have it set between a panny G10 or a display model 5020FD. According to the store the 5020 was only on display for 3 months and I can get it for $1330. It has no visible flaws and I saw it running and appears to be ok. So I want to ask all here if the 5020 will still look better then the new generation pannys? So far I have read that the Pio is still king, is this true? Any help will be much appreciated as I need to make a decsion asap as the display model wont last. THanks in advance.

as I posted before I am looking into a display model 5020. I have read alot on the limited picture adjustments which is concerning me. On the 5020 can you still adjust the brightness, tint, color, sharpness etc. or are these the controls that are eliminated from this model. If it is, is the G10 or higher Panny models going to be superior to the 5020? All help is appreciated since I am looking to act soon on the possible display model.
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Rangers13: that a ridiculous deal for that tv. If you find nothing wrong with it, pick it up as its a steal.
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as I posted before I am looking into a display model 5020. I have read alot on the limited picture adjustments which is concerning me. On the 5020 can you still adjust the brightness, tint, color, sharpness etc. or are these the controls that are eliminated from this model. If it is, is the G10 or higher Panny models going to be superior to the 5020? All help is appreciated since I am looking to act soon on the possible display model.

"Missing adjustments" refer mostly to special built-in video processing features like "DRE", "CTI" etc. which could be individually adjusted in previous year models (and Elites) but on this model are preset to variations. You can only change them by selecting the preset A/V modes. Basic picture controls such as you are referring to are all still user adjustible on the XX20.

An individual color temp control is probably the biggest ommission but there even some ways to get around that if you get bit more 'advanced' with your use of the display's features. Sounds a like a great price on a demo unit.

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+1 - no brainer, I don't even need another TV right now but I wouldn't pass up that deal either.
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ok deposit is down I pulled the trigger. Will pick it up this afternoon
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Did you mean stretch mode? How about Dot-by-Dot? IR/BI is a complete non-issue on the 9G Kuros.

Yeah, I did mean stretch mode! I've corrected that in the original post.

Thanks for the advice, D-Nice and Jim Hef
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Nice find! Finally something I expected to exist does exist.

Amazon has it too but the bottle looks different:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000068P8W/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

This is Pioneer page:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...+Cleaner?tab=B

But wonder if one of the images is outdated and buyer will actually get the same thing? Anyone plans to give it a try. I may order either one soon but it would be nice to hear some feedback.

I wouldn't let any Monster cleaner near my Kuro... someone in one of the Kuro threads (might be an 8G thread, I can't remember) already reported the Monster cleaner he got at Best Buy removed part of the coating on the panel.

I've been told by Pioneer contacts that only clean water is safe but that eyeglass cleaner intended for plastic eyeglass lenses SHOULD be OK, but it cannot contain alcohol or ammonia. They won't officially "approve" the eyeglass cleaner though.

Unfornately, there is no "inconspicuous" place you can test the Monster cleaner to see if it removes part of the coating.

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I wouldn't let any Monster cleaner near my Kuro... someone in one of the Kuro threads (might be an 8G thread, I can't remember) already reported the Monster cleaner he got at Best Buy removed part of the coating on the panel.

I've been told by Pioneer contacts that only clean water is safe but that eyeglass cleaner intended for plastic eyeglass lenses SHOULD be OK, but it cannot contain alcohol or ammonia. They won't officially "approve" the eyeglass cleaner though.

Unfornately, there is no "inconspicuous" place you can test the Monster cleaner to see if it removes part of the coating.

Doug, the confusing thing is... Pioneer does say it's safe on 5020 on their web site. So what gives?

I saw somewhere that claimed current Monster cleaner contains no alcohol. So perhaps old ones did contain alcohol and that's why that 8G owner saw damage? If so with approval of Pioneer web site and Monster's claim of no alcohol, current ones should be safe aren't they?

Sorry to be on this over and over. Don't mean to bore anyone but this is an important issue for me and perhaps some owners too.
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I've been told by Pioneer contacts that only clean water is safe but that eyeglass cleaner intended for plastic eyeglass lenses SHOULD be OK, but it cannot contain alcohol or ammonia. They won't officially "approve" the eyeglass cleaner though.

That would have to be distilled or filtered water. Regular water has too high of a mineral content which could theoretically scratch, but more so leave a "scale" residue.

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Doug, the confusing thing is... Pioneer does say it's safe on 5020 on their web site. So what gives?

Where at their website do they state this?


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I saw somewhere that claimed current Monster cleaner contains no alcohol. So perhaps old ones did contain alcohol and that's why that 8G owner saw damage? If so with approval of Pioneer web site and Monster's claim of no alcohol, current ones should be safe aren't they?

I can't say if it's safe, but there is an old and new formula for the Monster cleaner and the new formula has no alcohol where the old formula did.

I reiterate that the Pioneer manual is quite adamant that nothing wet ever be used on the screen. It's even underlined. But the manuals are old and perhaps there's new info out now.

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But, if you order on-line, how can you be sure you are getting the latest iteration of the cleaner? Maybe search locally, and read the label to see if they list the contents.
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Has anyone been able to get the 5020FD or similar to connect to a pc and display 1920x1080p? I have read the manual and it looks like it only supports 1280x720p for pc display modes but supports 1920x1080p in video display modes over HDMI. Has anyone been able to hook a pc up to these tvs over HDMI and get a crystal clear 1920x1080 resolution?
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But, if you order on-line, how can you be sure you are getting the latest iteration of the cleaner? Maybe search locally, and read the label to see if they list the contents.

I would guess you'd have to look at the product description for "Alcohol-free", and if you see it then you know it's new.
http://www.monstercable.com/productdisplay.asp?pin=2105
http://www.monstercable.com/productdisplay.asp?pin=2350
But I still would not gamble with it unless I heard from Pioneer themselves that it's safe. Notice the 2nd URL only says LCD's, FWTW.

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Doug, the confusing thing is... Pioneer does say it's safe on 5020 on their web site. So what gives?

I saw somewhere that claimed current Monster cleaner contains no alcohol. So perhaps old ones did contain alcohol and that's why that 8G owner saw damage? If so with approval of Pioneer web site and Monster's claim of no alcohol, current ones should be safe aren't they?

Sorry to be on this over and over. Don't mean to bore anyone but this is an important issue for me and perhaps some owners too.



I have an original bottle of Monster ScreenClean that's about 5 years old. It says "New 100% alcohol-free formula". Under ingredients it says: de-ionized water, polymers. To me this indicates there is no "new improved" formula.

This is what Pioneer has to say:

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...een+TV+Cleaner

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IMPORTANT: Monster Flat Screen TV Cleaner has been tested ONLY with the following models: PDP-5010FD, PDP-5020FD, PDP-6010FD, PDP-6020FD, PDP-5080HD, PDP-4280HD, PRO-1150HD, PRO-950HD, PRO-110FD, PRO-111FD, PRO-101FD, PRO-150FD, PRO-151FD, PRO-141FD. Use of this product with a model not listed above could result in damage to the display.
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