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Well there is the risk it could die sooner, but assuming I can go and see the tv before hand and check for pixels, screen burn, red tint, etc. I meant if it's worth it. I have the F8500 60" now but think I have to return it because of the buzzing so just trying to weigh my options at this point. Does the 111fd buzz at all that you can notice (excluding putting your ear to the back)?
My 141 buzzes quite a bit. I love the picture though so I deal with it and don't notice it much anymore. However, I could see it bothering others.
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hey guys, can you show me in picture what power cable you're using with 9G elite Kuro?

i think my 111FD power cable is not stock because it's too short and kinda thin compared to my Panasonic viera g20.
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hey guys, can you show me in picture what power cable you're using with 9G elite Kuro?

i think my 111FD power cable is not stock because it's too short and kinda thin compared to my Panasonic viera g20.
It's 18AWG shielded cable with ferrite core.

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aww crap

just when I thought I just got a perfect plasma 3 days ago.... i just found a dead sub pixel

I inspected the 111FD's screen before buying and found no dead/stuck pixels.


My enthusiasm for the 111FD sure has dampened a bit today.
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aww crap

just when I thought I just got a perfect plasma 3 days ago.... i just found a dead sub pixel

I inspected the 111FD's screen before buying and found no dead/stuck pixels.


My enthusiasm for the 111FD sure has dampened a bit today.
Because 1 subpixel of 6,220,800 is really going to kill your viewing experience enjoy it; it's a kuro
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At least it's not a green, that could be annoying with 111FD blacks

edit: oh it's dead, don't worry about it
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A dead one and a subpixel at that. You will learn to live with it and even forget it.
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aww crap

just when I thought I just got a perfect plasma 3 days ago.... i just found a dead sub pixel

I inspected the 111FD's screen before buying and found no dead/stuck pixels.


My enthusiasm for the 111FD sure has dampened a bit today.
You're lucky its a dead one and not a stuck aqua colored one.
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Because 1 subpixel of 6,220,800 is really going to kill your viewing experience enjoy it; it's a kuro
But i seat just 4-5 feet away and I sometimes use 111FD as a giant PC monitor... so it's easy for me to notice the the red dot on the screen (when green pixel dies, red overpowers blue).

I own Panasonics G20 and G10 (all set in THX mode). What's obvious with the Pioneer 111FD (in pure mode) compared to my Panasonics is the deep , deep blacks and (I think) ruler flat gamma to prevent black & white crush.

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You're lucky its a dead one and not a stuck aqua colored one.
can you give more info about this?
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also, Is it still worth getting my set calibrated even though my 111FD is tainted by a dead pixel?
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also, Is it still worth getting my set calibrated even though my 111FD is tainted by a dead pixel?
On a full white field you will be having a hard time noticing a dead black pixel at one meter on a 50" TV so at viewing distance one dead pixcel is irrelevent. One dead pixel has no impact whatso ever on calibration.. Plasma has the reputation that there is no increase of dead pixels. You should be careful with replacing the Plasma though.
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On a full white field you will be having a hard time noticing a dead black pixel at one meter on a 50" TV so at viewing distance one dead pixcel is irrelevent. One dead pixel has no impact whatso ever on calibration.. Plasma has the reputation that there is no increase of dead pixels. You should be careful with replacing the Plasma though.
actually I do have a dead sub-pixel



On a full white field it's easy to notice because it shows up as a red dot @ 1 meter away, red subpixel overpowers blue.
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actually I do have a dead sub-pixel



On a full white field it's easy to notice because it shows up as a red dot @ 1 meter away, red subpixel overpowers blue.
I have a red cross (stuck pixel) on my 50 inch 500M and at one meter it is really hard for me to notice, that is why i said it.
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I have a red cross (stuck pixel) on my 50 inch 500M and at one meter it is really hard for me to notice, that is why i said it.
Do you also use your 500M as a PC monitor?
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anyone know or care to recommend an individual or company to get my pro-151fd calibrated in the metro vancouver (BC, Canada) area? who is good to use.....
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aww crap

just when I thought I just got a perfect plasma 3 days ago.... i just found a dead sub pixel

I inspected the 111FD's screen before buying and found no dead/stuck pixels.


My enthusiasm for the 111FD sure has dampened a bit today.
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"Ladies and gentlemen, pixel peeping is a serious condition..."
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aww crap

just when I thought I just got a perfect plasma 3 days ago.... i just found a dead sub pixel

I inspected the 111FD's screen before buying and found no dead/stuck pixels.


My enthusiasm for the 111FD sure has dampened a bit today.
get rid then

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anyone know or care to recommend an individual or company to get my pro-151fd calibrated in the metro vancouver (BC, Canada) area? who is good to use.....
I recommend Chad B.

Not sure if he travels to Canada, but it can't hurt to ask. He seems to travel far and wide...

http://hdtvbychadb.com/

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Do you also use your 500M as a PC monitor?
No. And being confronted with logo burn-in on two kuro's i never will. Seriously, you can get yourself a cheap big 4K LED which you can lift with one hand and move around the house, use that as a PC monitor..
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From Steven Soderbergh's latest blog post (where he also posted his own 110 minute cut of 2001):

http://extension765.com/sdr/23-the-return-of-w-de-rijk

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...by the way, i’ve seen every conceivable kind of film print of 2001, from 16mm flat to 35mm internegative to a cherry camera negative 70mm in the screening room at warner bros, and i’m telling you, none of them look as good as a bluray played on an pioneer elite plasma kuro monitor.
This should make Kuro-lovers happy
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Is it me, or is it that 9th generation PDP panel's light output in PURE mode isn't that bright mode compared to my Panasonic Viera G20 in THX mode? I have my 111FD's contrast set at 47 and it doesn't "pop out" like my Viera G20.

According to ChadB the Viera G20 in THX (accurate) mode can be safely driven up to 56 fL with minimal to no consequences white crush or gamma issues with just 8 clicks of contrast to the right.

Panasonic Viera G20
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Is it me, or is it that 9th generation PDP panel's light output in PURE mode isn't that bright mode compared to my Panasonic Viera G20 in THX mode? I have my 111FD's contrast set at 47 and it doesn't "pop out" like my Viera G20.

According to ChadB the Viera G20 in THX (accurate) mode can be safely driven up to 56 fL with minimal to no consequences white crush or gamma issues with just 8 clicks of contrast to the right.
Isf modes yield the highest peak output on the G9's.
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From Steven Soderbergh's latest blog post (where he also posted his own 110 minute cut of 2001):

http://extension765.com/sdr/23-the-return-of-w-de-rijk

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Wow this is something else.

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Can I talk about the Pioneer KRP 500M here or is there another thread for that model. I am not a current owner of this TV but I will be sometime this year, I hope.
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Is there any Kuro owners here who has put on thousands of hours on your panel and is still going strong?

I'm talking like 10, 20 or 30 plus thousand hours.

Would be interesting to hear from such owners. Perhaps even build date and specific model.

Thanks Have a great day.
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40000 hours plus. Dec 08 build. 151
Many hours are with screen off but set on. Probabably 25000 on the panel.

I keep a fan above set to lower temp to below 85 degrees right above the set.
I have set brightness to 30 using isf day.
I ran the breakin slides for two days upon purchase.
Recalibrated after 1500 hours but there was no real change. Brightness is dropping off a bit but not a lot.

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40000 hours plus. Dec 08 build. 151
Many hours are with screen off but set on. Probabably 25000 on the panel.

I keep a fan above set to lower temp to below 85 degrees right above the set.
I have set brightness to 30 using isf day.
I ran the breakin slides for two days upon purchase.
Recalibrated after 1500 hours but there was no real change. Brightness is dropping off a bit but not a lot.
Why do you leave it on? To not stress the power supply?

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Yes. Once the set is on in the day I leave it on; but turn off the screen when not viewing . For example I watch a sports event on Sunday at 1:00. Game over so screen goes off. I have dinner and then come back to watch evening TV. Screen goes back on. This way I decrease on and offs but still save time on the screen. None-the-less I must have over 25000 hours on the screen with 40000 hours plus on the set.

The fan is an ultra silent one that exhausts through my wall. I drilled several holes in the wall and then placed the fan over it.

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Is there any Kuro owners here who has put on thousands of hours on your panel and is still going strong?

I'm talking like 10, 20 or 30 plus thousand hours.

Would be interesting to hear from such owners. Perhaps even build date and specific model.

Thanks Have a great day.
I admit I don't keep track of these things, but my PRO-111 has a June 2008 build date. The set was delivered September '08. For break-in I didn't use any slides, just watched a variety of material, with an emphasis on 16:9. The set was calibrated at 162 hours, with ISF Night only (32 ft-l). It was re-calibrated November 2013, and no loss of brightness was reported. I haven't hit 10,000 hours yet; more like 7,000.
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