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I also found a Elite 101 monitor for $350 with a build date of April 2009 but its 3 hours drive to go see it..... Ended up getting the 111 last night for $450, its in perfect condition, speakers, stand and remote have never been used. TV has been sitting in his basement for 3 years not getting used and was Calibrated with all the ISF modes unlocked since new. The guy that sold it to me is even e-mailing me the calibration data. I'm tempted to try pick up the 101 monitor but 3 hours one way to find out something is wrong might not be worth it. wasn't the 101 new worth more then the 111?
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I also found a Elite 101 monitor for $350 with a build date of April 2009 but its 3 hours drive to go see it..... Ended up getting the 111 last night for $450, its in perfect condition, speakers, stand and remote have never been used. TV has been sitting in his basement for 3 years not getting used and was Calibrated with all the ISF modes unlocked since new. The guy that sold it to me is even e-mailing me the calibration data. I'm tempted to try pick up the 101 monitor but 3 hours one way to find out something is wrong might not be worth it. wasn't the 101 new worth more then the 111?
You're finding some crazy good deals. I'd go for the 101.

I've been having the worst time with the broken 141 seller. Don't think they speak much English and seem reluctant to set a date which I need since I'll be renting a van or truck. Been eyeing a 151FD with ISF enabled on ebay that's a few miles away, but it's nearly $1k and there's no best offer option on the listing.
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You're finding some crazy good deals. I'd go for the 101.

I've been having the worst time with the broken 141 seller. Don't think they speak much English and seem reluctant to set a date which I need since I'll be renting a van or truck. Been eyeing a 151FD with ISF enabled on ebay that's a few miles away, but it's nearly $1k and there's no best offer option on the listing.
I have 151 for sale where are you located
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If you want the blackest plasma after service menu tune, get 101FD.
If you want the brightest plasma(full white at full screen) even than Samsung F8500 after service menu tune, get 111FD

I'd say get both

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I also found a Elite 101 monitor for $350 with a build date of April 2009 but its 3 hours drive to go see it..... Ended up getting the 111 last night for $450, its in perfect condition, speakers, stand and remote have never been used. TV has been sitting in his basement for 3 years not getting used and was Calibrated with all the ISF modes unlocked since new. The guy that sold it to me is even e-mailing me the calibration data. I'm tempted to try pick up the 101 monitor but 3 hours one way to find out something is wrong might not be worth it. wasn't the 101 new worth more then the 111?
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I have 151 for sale where are you located
I'm in Irvine, CA. Seems you're in Florida.
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I'm in Irvine, CA. Seems you're in Florida.
just a little to far
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Well guys thats it. I'm a ****ing idiot. Seriously a big dumb ****. I was bored and loafing around the house so I started swirling my phone charger around doing ninja stuff and as I walk by my TV the top end of the charger (USB-wall adapter) flies right into the screen and cracks my Kuro display.

Image remains black when turned on makes a ridiculously loud buzzing noise.


Jesus christ. I guess its garbage now??
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Judgding by my financial situation.. it looks like I'm going for another Kuro. I've got a Kuro LX-5090 for sale for $300 right next to me. I suppose thats my best bet.


How much do you reckon the the KRP 500-A is worth over the LX5090? what premium would pay to make it as good a value as $300 for 5090?


$400? $500?

I live in Norway so market prices might be different than over in the States.


I paid $400 for my LX5090 back in 2013, 4 years later the cheapest 5090 I can find is $300.

But I'm wondering if I should wait it out and look for KRP 500 / 6090 or KRP 600 and pay more? They're quite rare though so people always try to overprice them compared to 5090, of which many are sold

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Well guys thats it. I'm a ****ing idiot. Seriously a big dumb ****. I was bored and loafing around the house so I started swirling my phone charger around doing ninja stuff and as I walk by my TV the top end of the charger (USB-wall adapter) flies right into the screen and cracks my Kuro display.

Image remains black when turned on makes a ridiculously loud buzzing noise.


Jesus christ. I guess its garbage now??
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Found a seller for KRP 500-A that is ISF calibrated apparently. He wants to know how much.

How much more should I bid vs uncalibrated LX5090 ($300) ?
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Sad Day

Sadly, it's time to get a replacement for my PRO-111FD. Don't worry, it's still going strong. I just need a bigger screen (it's going down stairs to be cherished). I'm considering the LG B6 or Sony X930E. Any suggestions from the KURO crowd? The new set will be in a bright room for what it's worth. I would rather ask you guys and not the supposed experts in the other groups.
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B7/C7 or A1E go brighter as far OLEDs are concerned, of course you have to pay more.
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Sadly, it's time to get a replacement for my PRO-111FD. Don't worry, it's still going strong. I just need a bigger screen (it's going down stairs to be cherished). I'm considering the LG B6 or Sony X930E. Any suggestions from the KURO crowd? The new set will be in a bright room for what it's worth. I would rather ask you guys and not the supposed experts in the other groups.

If you're an owner of a Kuro I wouldn't replace it with anything but an OLED

B6 all the way.
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If you're an owner of a Kuro I wouldn't replace it with anything but an OLED

B6 all the way.
Agreed, I went with the B6. Right out of the box it's amazing! I almost broke my back getting the Kuro off the wall (I forgot how heavy it was). Don't worry it survived the trip downstairs. It will see many more years of life at a much better viewing distance of 6 to 7 ft and completely in the dark if desired. I think it's time to reunite it with it's speakers! I'll eventually move my OPPO BDP-103 down there and upgrade to UDP-203 for the living room. The 65 inch B6 suits my living room better given that the viewing distance is 9 to 10ft.
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I've got a chance to buy either a 111FD or 151FD. About a $400 difference between the two with the 151 being the more expensive one. I'm wondering about viewing distance though. My couch will be about 7-7.5 feet away from the screen, and my vision's not awful but definitely not 20/20. Would a 60" be suitable for that or am I going to notice pixels? I've looked at graphs about resolution and viewing distance and my setup's at the tail end of when 60" 1080p displays are recommended.

I'm fairly sure I'd prefer a larger screen but I've never lived with a display larger than 46" and that was at a 10-15 foot range. My current one's a 34" XBR960 CRT at that same 7-7.5 feet, so my pickiness feels theoretical here.
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I've got a chance to buy either a 111FD or 151FD. About a $400 difference between the two with the 151 being the more expensive one. I'm wondering about viewing distance though. My couch will be about 7-7.5 feet away from the screen, and my vision's not awful but definitely not 20/20. Would a 60" be suitable for that or am I going to notice pixels? I've looked at graphs about resolution and viewing distance and my setup's at the tail end of when 60" 1080p displays are recommended.

I'm fairly sure I'd prefer a larger screen but I've never lived with a display larger than 46" and that was at a 10-15 foot range. My current one's a 34" XBR960 CRT at that same 7-7.5 feet, so my pickiness feels theoretical here.
You should not notice Pixels @ 7 feet ,I can get 1 ft from my 151 and it still looks ok
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You should not notice Pixels @ 7 feet ,I can get 1 ft from my 151 and it still looks ok
Awesome. That seems perfect then.
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I've got a chance to buy either a 111FD or 151FD. About a $400 difference between the two with the 151 being the more expensive one. I'm wondering about viewing distance though. My couch will be about 7-7.5 feet away from the screen, and my vision's not awful but definitely not 20/20. Would a 60" be suitable for that or am I going to notice pixels? I've looked at graphs about resolution and viewing distance and my setup's at the tail end of when 60" 1080p displays are recommended.

I'm fairly sure I'd prefer a larger screen but I've never lived with a display larger than 46" and that was at a 10-15 foot range. My current one's a 34" XBR960 CRT at that same 7-7.5 feet, so my pickiness feels theoretical here.
You should not notice Pixels @ 7 feet ,I can get 1 ft from my 151 and it still looks ok
Really? I can see pixels a couple of feet away from my 600m. I agree 7 ft might be ok though.
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Really? I can see pixels a couple of feet away from my 600m. I agree 7 ft might be ok though.
I can see pixels , but the image looks ok even @ 1 ft , I would be ok watching the screen from 4 feet away for sure
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Anyone on here have a source for new or clean AWW1353 boards? I think I need one for my PRO-151FD. It has the dreaded 8-blue-blinks. It is otherwise the best TV I have ever owned, and I still definitely want to keep it going if I can find the parts.

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Anyone on here have a source for new or clean AWW1353 boards? I think I need one for my PRO-151FD. It has the dreaded 8-blue-blinks. It is otherwise the best TV I have ever owned, and I still definitely want to keep it going if I can find the parts.
Hi HIFiGuy1,

I would suggest to sign up on shopjimmy.com for the part. You will get an email when the part is in. I have ordered from them before with no problems.

I see that this part is for both the PRO-151FD and for the PRO-111FD. I have a PRO-111FD. Is it a common failure on our Kuros? I have seen many posts about the dreaded 8-blue-blinks. Exactly what does this part do or what is responsible for to keep our Pioneer panels working?

Thanks

Edit: Found this




If I remember correctly a member of AVS fixes these boards. You would need to do a thread search.

Let us know how things turn out, all the best.

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Really? I can see pixels a couple of feet away from my 600m. I agree 7 ft might be ok though.
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I can see pixels , but the image looks ok even @ 1 ft , I would be ok watching the screen from 4 feet away for sure
I picked up the 151FD yesterday. 6-7 feet is the perfect distance for me. I start seeing pixels clearly below 3, but that's not a very realistic viewing situation. I'm pretty happy with this panel. I don't think I'll be pining for an OLED or 4K set for a few more years, which should give them enough time to drop in price.

I just noticed the pixel orbiting feature. That is cool.
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I picked up the 151FD yesterday. 6-7 feet is the perfect distance for me. I start seeing pixels clearly below 3, but that's not a very realistic viewing situation. I'm pretty happy with this panel. I don't think I'll be pining for an OLED or 4K set for a few more years, which should give them enough time to drop in price.

I just noticed the pixel orbiting feature. That is cool.
Congrats! A few things you should consider doing.
1. Check the hours. There are several different methods.
2. It's likely that the blacks have a little bit of red tint to them. That can be fixed.
3. Calibration or D-Nice settings

The KRP-600M with 19400 hrs I recently picked up could not hang with my VT60. I kept the VT60 next to the Kuro during the process as a reference panel. After lowering Voltages and calibration the KRP-600M matches the VT60. Not better but equal.
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Hi HIFiGuy1,

I would suggest to sign up on shopjimmy.com for the part. You will get an email when the part is in. I have ordered from them before with no problems.

I see that this part is for both the PRO-151FD and for the PRO-111FD. I have a PRO-111FD. Is it a common failure on our Kuros? I have seen many posts about the dreaded 8-blue-blinks. Exactly what does this part do or what is responsible for to keep our Pioneer panels working?

Thanks

Edit: Found this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZNAv0m5f7M


If I remember correctly a member of AVS fixes these boards. You would need to do a thread search.

Let us know how things turn out, all the best.
Thanks for the info on the site. I will check them out. I am thinking about doing a component replacement, since the cost of the air solder tool and the part itself are about the same if not less than the board, and it might be fun to try it. Worst case, I get a new board.

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Congrats! A few things you should consider doing.
1. Check the hours. There are several different methods.
2. It's likely that the blacks have a little bit of red tint to them. That can be fixed.
3. Calibration or D-Nice settings

The KRP-600M with 19400 hrs I recently picked up could not hang with my VT60. I kept the VT60 next to the Kuro during the process as a reference panel. After lowering Voltages and calibration the KRP-600M matches the VT60. Not better but equal.
Thanks for the info. It was calibrated by David from Avical a few years ago, so it has ISF day and night settings enabled. I personally see no red tint in the blacks whatsoever, but I haven't been able to compare to another panel. I'll take a look at how to check the hours. The seller (Leonardo629 here, really great guy) mentioned that he used it sparingly and believed it had around 3000 hours.

My neighbor actually has an ST60 that I'm interested to compare the Kuro to now. He hasn't had his calibrated yet though. Shout out to him for helping me move my 200 pound CRT upstairs last night.

I'm impressed overall. Best display I've seen yet. Even the sound bars have decent sound which should tide me over as I piece together a proper sound system. My stumbling block has always been finding the right receiver.
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Thanks for the info. It was calibrated by David from Avical a few years ago, so it has ISF day and night settings enabled. I personally see no red tint in the blacks whatsoever, but I haven't been able to compare to another panel. I'll take a look at how to check the hours. The seller (Leonardo629 here, really great guy) mentioned that he used it sparingly and believed it had around 3000 hours.

My neighbor actually has an ST60 that I'm interested to compare the Kuro to now. He hasn't had his calibrated yet though. Shout out to him for helping me move my 200 pound CRT upstairs last night.

I'm impressed overall. Best display I've seen yet. Even the sound bars have decent sound which should tide me over as I piece together a proper sound system. My stumbling block has always been finding the right receiver.
Wow 3000 hrs would be great! Practically new.
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I picked up the 151FD yesterday. 6-7 feet is the perfect distance for me. I start seeing pixels clearly below 3, but that's not a very realistic viewing situation. I'm pretty happy with this panel. I don't think I'll be pining for an OLED or 4K set for a few more years, which should give them enough time to drop in price.

I just noticed the pixel orbiting feature. That is cool.
If you don't mind asking what did you pay for it
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Wow 3000 hrs would be great! Practically new.
Hope so. I'll have to connect it to my network tonight and check the hours. Quick question: I do hear light buzzing from the panel. Can I assume that's normal given the distance that I'm watching from? It's basically inaudible at 8 feet or if the speakers are on at a normal listening level.

edit: From what I'm reading, I can only check the hours with ControlCAL. Thought it'd be a little simpler through network connectivity. I'll check the hours at a later time then.

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If you don't mind asking what did you pay for it
$950. It's the one I was originally reluctant to get over the $40 141 lol

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Hope so. I'll have to connect it to my network tonight and check the hours. Quick question: I do hear light buzzing from the panel. Can I assume that's normal given the distance that I'm watching from? It's basically inaudible at 8 feet or if the speakers are on at a normal listening level.

edit: From what I'm reading, I can only check the hours with ControlCAL. Thought it'd be a little simpler through network connectivity. I'll check the hours at a later time then.



$950. It's the one I was originally reluctant to get over the $40 141 lol
The light buzzing is normal. If you can get the Kuro onto your network then just put the address in from below:

Set up the Network and use the following address:
http:///cgi/service_right.cgi
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I just picked up 1 151 this past weekend for $500 bucks. I passed on a 65VT60 at $1200. Not sure it was the right decision, but from what I can tell thus far is the set is pretty good. Right now it doesn't look as good as my Sharp Elite or my Sammy F8500. They are calibrated, which the seller of the 151 said was done. It may have been done, but it was set at performance mode and the ISF modes were not activated. That said I believe I can calibrate the set to better than the Sharp and Sammy.

I will apologize up front... but really don't have the time to go through a 1000+ pages to figure out how to get a good calibration with the set. So I am asking those that still have the 151....

1) How to put the 151 in ISF mode? Is Control Cal the only way the only way to do this?
2) How do I get to the service menu, to check the usage hours?
3) I read years ago on this set, that D-Nice and a service menu tweek that got the black to be just awesome. Is that shared anywhere?

Thanks guys!!!!
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