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guys, i have another question...when i get my elite tomorrow they are giving me a pioneer bdp51fd bluray player....on the avs, it seems to have a lot of firmware upgrades needed and some slow loading and glitches. would i be better off just trying to sell it and get a ps3 for my blu rays? i really have my hands full with the elite settings and break in as it is and do not want to have to worry about the damn blu ray player...thoughts?
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guys, i have another question...when i get my elite tomorrow they are giving me a pioneer bdp51fd bluray player....on the avs, it seems to have a lot of firmware upgrades needed and some slow loading and glitches. would i be better off just trying to sell it and get a ps3 for my blu rays? i really have my hands full with the elite settings and break in as it is and do not want to have to worry about the damn blu ray player...thoughts?


Any blu-ray play, including the PS3, will require firmware updates. It's the nature of the beast. Now, the PS3 can, of course, play games, and it is still the fastest-loading BD player going. But it has a few drawbacks as well. The Pioneer will fit better in a gear rack, if that matters, it'll have a great picture, and you'll be able to use your TV remote (or any universal) to control it. (The PS3 is, annoyingly, bluetooth controlled.)

Unless you need the game function, I'd just use the free Pioneer player.
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sorry i panicked,the problem was the xbox 360,not the t.v.(thank god) thanks for the advice progprog

Glad it got resolved.

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^^ What happened to the 360?

My question as well...
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OK, so there are no projected longevity like 50,000 hours or so?


Well they do actually have a "half life" rating, which is somewhere around 60,000 hours for all the newer plasma TV's including Pioneers. But 60,000 hours is a LOT of TV watching! If viewed 8 hours per day, 60,000 hours would come out to about 18 years of use before you hit the half life point..
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If viewed 8 hours per day, 60,000 hours would come out to about 18 years of use before you hit the half life point..

Or NINE years of 24/7 use ... Are any of us fanatics going to be watching the same TV in nine years? Yeah, I didn't think so.
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Well they do actually have a "half life" rating, which is somewhere around 60,000 hours for all the newer plasma TV's including Pioneers. But 60,000 hours is a LOT of TV watching! If viewed 8 hours per day, 60,000 hours would come out to about 18 years of use before you hit the half life point..


Most people will buy a NEW tv by the time the half of the half of the half is over.
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Most people will buy a NEW tv by the time the half of the half of the half is over.

AVS members buy Elites every year not all but many lol
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Or NINE years of 24/7 use ...

Ummm no.
If it's 18 years at 8 hours a day, then 16 hours a day would be 9 years. And 24/7 would come out to be 6 years.
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A couple of people PMed me for the settings I use for my 151...so I am going to post them below.

For those who try, please let me know what you like/dislike and how you have tweaked them for your liking. I would love to do some more tweaking myself.

Here goes:

AV Selection SPORT

Contrast 39
Brightness -1
Color 0
Tint 0
Sharpness 0

Film Mode ADVANCE
Text Opt. ON
Int. Mode 2

DRE Picture MID
Black Level ON
ACL OFF
Enh. Mode 2
Gamma 2

Color Temp M-H
CITI OFF
Color Space 1

R-High -
G-High -
B-High -
R-Low -
G-Low -
B-Low -

R 3
Y 3
G 0
C 3
B -3
M -3

3DNR MID
Field NR MID
Block NR ON
Mosquito NR ON


AV Selection PURE

Contrast 38
Brightness 0
Color 0
Tint 0
Sharpness -15

Film Mode ADVANCE
Text Opt. ON
Int. Mode 2

DRE Picture HIGH
Black Level ON
ACL OFF
Enh. Mode 2
Gamma 2

Color Temp MID
CITI OFF
Color Space 2

R-High -
G-High -
B-High -
R-Low -
G-Low -
B-Low -

R 1
Y 1
G 0
C 1
B -1
M -1

3DNR HIGH
Field NR MID
Block NR ON
Mosquito NR ON
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^^^^

For the above post - settings I am most unsure about are DRE, BLACK LEVEL and CITI. Any opinions? I know most turn these things off...but why?

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Ummm no.
If it's 18 years at 8 hours a day, then 16 hours a day would be 9 years. And 24/7 would come out to be 6 years.

Okay...got me. But nonetheless, you get my point!
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Since the no noise seems a very important factor for you, you should know that inherent to plasma technology....

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I believe he is referring to artifacts as the "noise". Not the sound.

Yeah I was referring to video noise, but hey, thanks for the reply Dan.

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^^^^

For the above post - settings I am most unsure about are DRE, BLACK LEVEL and CITI. Any opinions? I know most turn these things off...but why?

Thanks!

They add too much processing to the signal.

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Just wanted to say you guys all rock. Driving up with the wife to pick up my second wife (the pro111Kuro Elite) this morning! Like a little kid on christmas morning...will be seeing you guys later this weekend as an "OFFICIAL OWNER"

Thanks again all for taking the time to answer my questions, I know they can be tedious to go through, repeat, etc...but it helps a great deal!
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Yeah I was referring to video noise, but hey, thanks for the reply Dan.

Scotty

D'oh!

You're welcome...
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Just wanted to say you guys all rock. Driving up with the wife to pick up my second wife (the pro111Kuro Elite) this morning! Like a little kid on christmas morning...will be seeing you guys later this weekend as an "OFFICIAL OWNER"

Thanks again all for taking the time to answer my questions, I know they can be tedious to go through, repeat, etc...but it helps a great deal!


You're going to love it (and so is she, and all your friends)!!! Congrats!!
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Or NINE years of 24/7 use ... Are any of us fanatics going to be watching the same TV in nine years? Yeah, I didn't think so.

Actually I will, barring something unusual. I watched my 27" Sony XBR CRT for 16 years before it gave way to my 111; the 16 years includes two years of off-and-on research and over two of steady research. I don't upgrade frequently so I'm more a borderline fanatic, but I do know what I want (usually), and once I locked on to the 111 at Value Electronics I pounced. It's the same with my stereo equipment: the next newest thing in my setup is my DV8400 at 5 years; I'm looking into a replacement for it, and have a list of Blu-ray and universal players I'm looking into; even a couple of standalone CD players. Once something clicks, I'll go for it.

I believe strongly in getting the best I can afford, and being done with it. With the 111, I'm done with the TV thing for a while. Others who have the money and passion to upgrade more frequently may certainly do so, and it's fun to read such posts. But, I have to be more careful due to limited funds. I AM fanatic in my research (obsessive may be more appropriate), and will pursue relentlessly my goal of a better front end to feed my beast.

On second thought, maybe I am a fanatic, just a different type.
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On second thought, maybe I am a fanatic, just a different type.

Me thinks! Acceptance is the first step to recovery...or some crap like that! It'll be a happy nine years....
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Me thinks! Acceptance is the first step to recovery...or some crap like that! It'll be a happy nine years....

The difference is that I'm not a fanatic in the sense that I feel or think I must upgrade every few years or whenever the latest thing comes out. It's once I decide to buy/upgrade, then I'm as determined as anyone.

So, different type.
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As long as you're input is 1080p, then there's no upconversion by the 151. Also, 1080i would likely look fine in most cases, but I leave the input at 1080p. Concerning video processing, if you make sure all the picture enhancement features are off (aka pure mode), then you're getting a pure signal with no modifications. The Denon does superb upconversion as you know.

Yes jdmi, I have to agree I am very happy with the upconversion the Denon does with sdvd especially on the 151. One question though, don't you have to have the video set to Auto on the Denon as opposed to just 1080P so you can get 24fps? When I have it just set to 1080P the Denon OSD display doesn't indicate 24fps.
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I need some help gents. I have a 151HD and am having trouble connecting to it via rs232 from my crestron cp2e. Has anyone had any rs232 challenges with the 151HD? Any suggestions regarding the wiring?
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Can anyone explain with certainty...for film mode....

What are the differences between SMOOTH, ADVANCE, and OFF?

When might you use one over the other?

Thanks!
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I need some help gents. I have a 151HD and am having trouble connecting to it via rs232 from my crestron cp2e. Has anyone had any rs232 challenges with the 151HD? Any suggestions regarding the wiring?

I had to make a gender-changer for it.
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Hey everyone, long time reader, 1st time poster.

I just purchased a new 5020 and noticed a very fine continuous line at the very left hand side of the screen of red pixles going vertically from top to bottom. I am talking about one thin row only, its very uniform. I can only really see it on colors lighter than red and if I practically bury my face in the screen but its definitely there. The break-in DVD shows it very clearly, but again only if I am very close, even on an all white screen (that's how I 1st noticed it).

I plan on calling Pioneer on Monday about it but wanted to see if there were any other 9G owners out there that have experienced the same thing and if this would indicate some sort of other larger issue with the TV that I might not be thinking about.

Thanks alot and thanks for all of the great info on this forum, I'm loving it!
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Can anyone explain with certainty...for film mode....

What are the differences between SMOOTH, ADVANCE, and OFF?

When might you use one over the other?

Thanks!

+1

This is one of the most annoying topics! It comes up from time to time, and honestly, I have yet to see a really thorough, authoritative explanation, even from the pros. The only consistency seems to be the claim that the Kuro will default to 72Hz regardless of film mode setting whenever it receives a 24Hz signal. But even that could just be oft-repeated speculation, AFAIK.
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Can anyone explain with certainty...for film mode....

What are the differences between SMOOTH, ADVANCE, and OFF?

When might you use one over the other?

Thanks!

This won't be as technical as some other answers could be but this is after owning a 5020 for a week and really playing around/reading about it.

Smooth enters a mode that is a lot like the 120Hz mode on an LCD. The effect is most noticible on a smooth panning shot where you would normally see judder. Wait until you are watching a scene like this and then rewind and put it in smooth mode, you will definitely see the difference. After a while of playing with it you will even notice it kicking in in places with shaky camera movement. I just leave it off now and play with Standard or Advance mode depending on the scene, it looks too unnatural for me now.

Still playing around and getting the feel for it.

Advance is for film based sources, such as blue ray (and I think DVD as well although I could be wrong) that allows the TV to display the movie as it was seen in the theater with out dropping any frames. It looks great with blue ray and I just default to this.


OFF - TV will not be adjusted for film based material.

Also I have been using Standard for TV, although I am not sure if this is needed or correct.

I would be interested to hear what other owners experiences are between Advanced and Standard and when they use them.
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With all due respect, we all read the manual and have a sense of what effects the various film modes have and don't have. But what I think corpsfan, myself, and I'm sure many other would love to see, once and for all, is that technical explanation of exactly what these settings are doing.
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No offense taken, +1 for me as well on that. I was trying to help cover the "When might you use one over the other" part. I especially can't tell the visual difference between standard and advanced on non blue ray material. Smooth to me is more of a gimmicky and whatever it is doing technically probably will never be a perfect process, so I just leave it alone now.
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Hey everyone, long time reader, 1st time poster.

I just purchased a new 5020 and noticed a very fine continuous line at the very left hand side of the screen of red pixles going vertically from top to bottom. I am talking about one thin row only, its very uniform. I can only really see it on colors lighter than red and if I practically bury my face in the screen but its definitely there. The break-in DVD shows it very clearly, but again only if I am very close, even on an all white screen (that's how I 1st noticed it).

I plan on calling Pioneer on Monday about it but wanted to see if there were any other 9G owners out there that have experienced the same thing and if this would indicate some sort of other larger issue with the TV that I might not be thinking about.

Thanks alot and thanks for all of the great info on this forum, I'm loving it!

saw the same thing at a brick and mortar store in town. guy said half of their shipments all looked like this when tested and they sent them back. you have pixels stuck on red. id definently get your set replaced immediately.
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Hey everyone, long time reader, 1st time poster.

I just purchased a new 5020 and noticed a very fine continuous line at the very left hand side of the screen of red pixles going vertically from top to bottom. I am talking about one thin row only, its very uniform. I can only really see it on colors lighter than red and if I practically bury my face in the screen but its definitely there. The break-in DVD shows it very clearly, but again only if I am very close, even on an all white screen (that's how I 1st noticed it).

I plan on calling Pioneer on Monday about it but wanted to see if there were any other 9G owners out there that have experienced the same thing and if this would indicate some sort of other larger issue with the TV that I might not be thinking about.

Thanks alot and thanks for all of the great info on this forum, I'm loving it!

This is an Elite thread but I will help out I would call your vendor first assuming they are able to help you and then for sure call Pioneer. Its probably one of the boards.
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