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[quote=Waboman;14105257]Congrats on all the new kuros.

Still waiting. I keep looking at the spot where it's gonna go. If I close my eyes tight enough I can almost achieve Kuro blackness.


Who makes that stand? Is that for a 50" or 60"? I'm looking for something like that for my 151 (when it arrives).
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Hey all! I just got the panny th50pz800u and it produces an absolutely gorgeous image. The colors are amazingly pleasing. Cant wait for pio and panny to merge their neo plasma and kuro technologies to give us the perfect pdp. While the blacks arent as good as the kuros, the colors are so far, unmatched. I posted pics in the owners thread. Please be sure to check 'em out. And good luck with your new pio's, those sets are truly a blessing!
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Who makes that stand? Is that for a 50" or 60"? I'm looking for something like that for my 151 (when it arrives).

It's a Bell-O . It's rated for up to a 65". However, I used to have a 70" SXRD on it.

This is a pic of it with the center shelf installed. I removed it for my center channel speaker.



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the colors are so far, unmatched. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...007175&page=87

Unmatched? Not according to D-Nice

Here's his quote...

"The 800u (THX mode ONLY) has better color accuracy than any non-Elite Kuro. The 800u does NOT have equal or better color accuracy than the Elite Kuros."

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Okay, so here are some pictures. For the life of me, I cannot get the exposure right for my screenshots...

Oh well, here they are anyway:









A couple pictures just to show how deep and rich the blacks are:











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Aetherhole,
That is one nice setup you got there.
I bet you have a hard time pulling yourself away from it.
I don't think I would ever leave the house!
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Okay, so here are some pictures. For the life of me, I cannot get the exposure right for my screenshots...

Your exposers are fine! Love the images of your screen and your setup.

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are there any online retailers that i can buy an elite from? i live in michigan. thanks
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are there any online retailers that i can buy an elite from? i live in michigan. thanks

Check with the forum sponsors. Some carry the Elite line, and though it cannot be purchased online, that isn't the only way to buy products.
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My request was for them to arrive anytime after 2pm. The call back stated the arrival time would be from 3-5pm. So when they arrived just after 2pm, I was taken by surprise!


Lifting of the box


Carrying of the box. Temp was about 113!


Almost in!


Made it!


Opening the box


I asked them to please turn the box around so when they open it, I could check to see if the glass was broken.


Still unpacking


Just seconds away from the uncovering


Screen is PERFECT!


Now that we know the 151FD is in good shape, we now have to move the 40" 250lbs picture tube off the cabinet in the bedroom so it can be used for the 151FD in the other room.


Man that's heavy!


Ok, now we can move the cabinet into the other room


The cabinet is placed to the right of the picture for later use, and now it's time to move the old TV into the bedroom


This one is easy, it's on rollers!


You can see where the cabinet on the right will fit into the empty space


This will fit in the bedroom just fine


Ok, now it's time to take this cabinet and place it into the empty space


Good thing I took all those videos and Laserdiscs out of the cabinet!


Now to decide how I want it placed there. The delivery people suggested that it might be a good idea to have part of the cabinet sticking out to give the entertainment system "depth". I though that might not be such a bad idea and even more importantly, it allows me to have the screen flush with the rest of the cabinetry. Particularly important since I'm sitting so far back from the screen. So I'm really happy about this decision.


Time to prepare the stand


From the screen's point of view


The stand is now ready and waiting for the 151FD to be placed on it. This was a surprise to me how they did this since the manual had stated to put the screen down on a table to attach the stand. Based on the view of this forum, it must be easier and less dangerous to simply place the screen on the stand. And that's how they did it


Lifting the screen to put it on the stand


Done!


Securing the stand


Attaching the Light Blocking Shield


Cool angle!


Adjusting the position of the 151FD


Wow, it looks like I'm at the drive-in!


I can get used to this!


On the picture below, you can see that the screen is even with the rest of the cabinetry. Later, I'll adjust the rest of the audio/video equipment so that it balances well with the rest of the system. If you look carefully, In this image you can make out the dirty screen effect as it's easy to see all the blotches. Makes me wonder if it needs a simple cleaning? Since I've read about how easy it is to damage the screen coating, I have not touched it.


Here I've increased the contrast on the screen to exaggerate the effect I'm seeing.


VIDEO!!! Either click to view, or right click and select "save target as"
No cracked screen!!!
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Placing the screen on the stand
http://www.aztmp.com/For%20AVS/Picture%20515.avi

Putting the 151FD onto the cabinet
http://www.aztmp.com/For%20AVS/Picture%20516.avi

By the way, those guys were great! One of them had been with the company for eight years and is the same guy who delivered my older rear projection Pioneer Elite six years ago. He even said he remembered me. So that's cool. It's been a good day and I'll be watching some real video after the break-in late Monday night.

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LOL, nice documentary Barnman!

I agree, your setup looks much better with the center cabinet pulled out a little bit. And it never hurts to move the screen closer

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Those guys probably thought you were off your rocker taking all those pics! The look on the guy on the left probably pretty much sums up what they were thinking.

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By the way, those guys were great! One of them had been with the company for eight years and is the same guy who delivered my older rear projection Pioneer Elite six years ago. He even said he remembered me.

Oh and I watched the video too. And now I know why they remembered you!

Congrats!
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not to mention all the stuff you made them do. The delivery guys in canada just pretty much put it down in your house, they wont help u take it downstairs/set it up/ move anything.. you are real lucky.
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Oh and I watched the video too. And now I know why they remembered you!
Congrats!

Jesus, I rarely post, but that's the oddest thing I've seen on avsforum. It was like you were a kuro porn movie director; "Okay, go for it".

I'm happy you are happy, and you almost sounded like The Simpson's taco kid, "but sir, that comes out of my salary"

The movers were really tolerant and courteous. I hope you gave them a drink for all their efforts, barnman.
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If you look carefully, In this image you can make out the dirty screen effect as it's easy to see all the blotches. Makes me wonder if it needs a simple cleaning? Since I've read about how easy it is to damage the screen coating, I have not touched it.

Is it true the 9G Kuro's are plagued with the same anomalies (e.g. buzzing, blotching, and dirty screen) as their 8G predecessors?

I thought Pioneer resolved these problems.
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Those guys probably thought you were off your rocker taking all those pics! The look on the guy on the left probably pretty much sums up what they were thinking.



Oh and I watched the video too. And now I know why they remembered you!

Congrats!

Oh man that was hilarious!
But I expect I'll be crying like a little girl once I get my 151

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In regards to the dirty screen effect...wouldn't it be hard to determine the truth of this if the picture was taken while the break-in DVD was playing? I played the DVD in my 5060 to test and it looked the same, IMO.
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In regards to the dirty screen effect...wouldn't it be hard to determine the truth of this if the picture was taken while the break-in DVD was playing? I played the DVD in my 5060 to test and it looked the same, IMO.


While I don't know for sure, I think that the dirty/blotchy screen effect is normal and inherent in this technology. If I recall correctly, I could only see this effect (slightly) on the break-in DVD and not at all on any other sourced viewing. And even then, it was only on bright/light colors.

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Congrats on the 151, Barnman. How much did you have to tip those guys to do all that? I was thinking I'll be lucky to get the delivery guys to wait for me to turn on the TV whenever I get mine, much less help setup the stand and all.
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I won't be participating much for a bit because of business but I wanted to let you folks know that my PDP-111 arrived yesterday in perfect condition. The delivery guys were great and although they didn't work as hard as the guys did for barnman, they went out of their way to make sure it was all set up and working perfectly. Even waited while I checked for buzzing and dead pixels. I'm happy to report that I've scanned that screen a dozen times with different color backgrounds and haven't found a dead pixel. Most importantly to many - NO BUZZING - None.

The break-in DVD looks dirty and streaky on the 111 but as stated in an earlier post, it looked that way on the 5060, and I was always happy with the quality of the picture on the 5060 except for the black levels. I expect the 111 to look as good or better once I start to watch regular content.

I did lay the plasma on its face, on a soft sofa with no buttons, to attach the brackets for placing it on my stand with an integrated mount with no adverse effects. I used to be afraid of the fragility of plasma display. But I've owned the 5050 & 5060 and pretty much abused both sets and never got IR or saw dead pixels. Never played the break-in DVD on either. Let it run on Discovery and watched TV as normal. Now I'm not suggesting you be careless with your sets and I don't recommend it. But we're human. We make mistakes. We get careless sometimes and I mention it only so that you first time buyers can relax a little and enjoy your displays.

Finally, I want to give a shout out to Alex, Pat and Deb at Invision. I ordered a 5020 from them on a Friday and the same day something came up that caused me to fear whether I could pay for it. I sent an e-mail cancelling the order late Friday. Alex sent an e-mail Saturday saying the TV was about to be shipped but they caught it just in time. Pat e-mailed his cell phone number and invited me to call if there was any way he could be of service. On Monday Deb sent a statement showing that the charges on my card had been reversed. The refund was handled courteously, professionally and quickly. Invision was classy every step of the way.

The personal crisis was much ado about nothing but during that time an amazing opportunity came up to get a PDP-111 immediately and now I have it.

Thanks.
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While I don't know for sure, I think that the dirty/blotchy screen effect is normal and inherent in this technology. If I recall correctly, I could only see this effect (slightly) on the break-in DVD and not at all on any other sourced viewing. And even then, it was only on bright/light colors.

It is neither normal nor inherent with PDP technology, but is most noticeable on my PRO-150FD w/bright, light colored backgrounds that are accompanied by motion.

Except for the deeper blacks and greater CR, it appears that Pioneer is trying to eek out one more year of producing Kuro PDPs by using much of the same 8G display technology.

Most likely any R&D $ being spent are going to be invested into the 10G Piosonic hybrids.
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Is it true the 9G Kuro's are plagued with the same anomalies (e.g. buzzing, blotching, and dirty screen) as their 8G predecessors?

I thought Pioneer resolved these problems.

Well I for one have no problem with buzzing, my 6020 makes no more sound than the 700u it replaced, and has no such "blotching or dirty screen. Thus far it's far and away the best panel I've ever owned.
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I won't be participating much for a bit because of business but I wanted to let you folks know that my PDP-111 arrived yesterday in perfect condition. The delivery guys were great and although they didn't work as hard as the guys did for barnman, they went out of their way to make sure it was all set up and working perfectly. Even waited while I checked for buzzing and dead pixels. I'm happy to report that I've scanned that screen a dozen times with different color backgrounds and haven't found a dead pixel. Most importantly to many - NO BUZZING - None.

The break-in DVD looks dirty and streaky on the 111 but as stated in an earlier post, it looked that way on the 5060, and I was always happy with the quality of the picture on the 5060 except for the black levels. I expect the 111 to look as good or better once I start to watch regular content.

I did lay the plasma on its face, on a soft sofa with no buttons, to attach the brackets for placing it on my stand with an integrated mount with no adverse effects. I used to be afraid of the fragility of plasma display. But I've owned the 5050 & 5060 and pretty much abused both sets and never got IR or saw dead pixels. Never played the break-in DVD on either. Let it run on Discovery and watched TV as normal. Now I'm not suggesting you be careless with your sets and I don't recommend it. But we're human. We make mistakes. We get careless sometimes and I mention it only so that you first time buyers can relax a little and enjoy your displays.

Finally, I want to give a shout out to Alex, Pat and Deb at Invision. I ordered a 5020 from them on a Friday and the same day something came up that caused me to fear whether I could pay for it. I sent an e-mail cancelling the order late Saturday. Alex sent an e-mail Saturday saying the TV was about to be shipped but they caught it just in time. Pat e-mailed his cell phone number and invited me to call if there was any way he could be of service. On Monday Deb sent a statement showing that the charges on my card had been reversed. The refund was handled courteously, professionally and quickly. Invision was classy every step of the way.

The personal crisis was much ado about nothing but during that time an amazing opportunity came up to get a PDP-111 immediately and now I have it.

Thanks.

Great to hear!

If I was within 250 miles of Invision, I probably would have ordered my 151 from them as well. I found them to be first rate and was impressed with how they conducted themselves. Their business seemed to be the most organized of any of the forum sponsors.

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I'm willing to bet the 10G's are going to have irritating problems. I may be wrong but there have always been problems with displays. Each generation is heralded as the greatest, except the 9G which most feel is an interim step. But it'll hold me over to the 11G's. I will never, ever be a first mover on a new prodcut line, or a whole new generation again.
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Well I for one have no problem with buzzing, my 6020 makes no more sound than the 700u it replaced, and has no such "blotching or dirty screen. Thus far it's far and away the best panel I've ever owned.

My panel was a non-buzzer when I purchased a PRO-150FD last September, but after 1000+ hours of operation, not anymore.
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It is neither normal nor inherent with PDP technology, but is most noticeable on my PRO-150FD w/bright, light colored backgrounds that are accompanied by motion.

Except for the deeper blacks and greater CR, it appears that Pioneer is trying to eek out one more year of producing Kuro PDPs by using much of the same 8G display technology.

Most likely any R&D $ being spent are going to be invested into the 10G Piosonic hybrids.

I stand corrected. However, there is no way I could see it during any sourced viewing besides the break-in DVD, so it is a moot issue to me.

"Except for deeper blacks and greater CR?" As if those are small improvements? Even DNice's preliminary analysis of the 6020 had him seemingly favoring it over the 8G Elites. He thought the blacks/contrast were better on the 6020, but that the 8G Elite still had better color accuracy. Most people are reporting that the improved blacks/contrast on the 6020 give it considerably more pop than the 8G's.

I'm sure some things are the same, but the blacks/improved contrast are not minute improvements.

Any talk about the 10G Piosonics is pure speculation at this point.

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I stand corrected. However, there is no way I could see it during any sourced viewing besides the break-in DVD, so it is a moot issue to me.

Keep watching & you will see.
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"Except for deeper blacks and greater CR?" As if those are small improvements? Even DNice's preliminary analysis of the 6020 had him seemingly favoring it over the 8G Elites. He thought the blacks/contrast were better on the 6020, but that the 8G Elite still had better color accuracy. Most people are reporting that the improved blacks/contrast on the 6020 give it considerably more pop than the 8G's.

I'm sure some things are the same, but the blacks/improved contrast are not minute improvements.

I never said the 9G panels offered just "minor" improvements, but rather it seems like a lot of the problems with the 8G Kuros have found their way into the 9G series too.
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optivity, I'm sorry you’re having a bad experience with your display but this raining on the parade borders on fear-mongering. Guess I'm not going to come here any more to enjoy the impressions of other 9G owners. Who needs it when an 8G owner parries every positive with a negative?
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Is it true the 9G Kuro's are plagued with the same anomalies (e.g. buzzing, blotching, and dirty screen) as their 8G predecessors?

I thought Pioneer resolved these problems.

My 1150 has no blotching and its' buzzing is no louder than the Sammy 5044 and 5084 sets I owned previously.

Thebarnman...can you see it while watching normal content?
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