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Having spent a week with these sets side by side, we will have to agree to disagree. Nothing wrong with that.

not at all....lot's of people like them, my preferences I guess will always be towards plasma sets, but if they ever correct off angle viewing in LCD's,I could go that way down the road.
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Anyone hooked up a KRP-600M to a control system like RTI using RS232 or Ethernet?
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not at all....lot's of people like them, my preferences I guess will always be towards plasma sets, but if they ever correct off angle viewing in LCD's,I could go that way down the road.

That and the cyan problem.
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Having spent a week with these sets side by side, we will have to agree to disagree. Nothing wrong with that.

I don't know. I didn't see anything kuro ish about it when i viewed it.

I didn't get the "OMG jaw drop" feeling like when i first saw the 151 playing the dark night prologue at BB. I was expecting to based off user reviews.

Matter of different taste i guess.

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I don't know. I didn't see anything kuro ish about it when i viewed it.

I didn't get the "OMG jaw drop" feeling like when i first saw the 151 playing the dark night prologue at BB. I was expecting to based off user reviews.

Matter of different taste i guess.

This is the kuro thread where owners (like me) come to discuss that panel, so I don't want to pollute this thread with lengthy comments or observations about a different panel (there's already plenty of kuro comparisons in the elite thread). That said, while the elite will look like any other LCD on the wrong setting (overblown whites, overly processed, digitized image, soap opera effect when motion "enhancements" are engaged, etc.), it will absolutely produce a jaw dropping picture on the right setting (either movie or thx movie) that it is comparable to a kuro.
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Anyone hooked up a KRP-600M to a control system like RTI using RS232 or Ethernet?

Of course.
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This is the kuro thread where owners (like me) come to discuss that panel, so I don't want to pollute this thread with lengthy comments or observations about a different panel (there's already plenty of kuro comparisons in the elite thread). That said, while the elite will look like any other LCD on the wrong setting (overblown whites, overly processed, digitized image, soap opera effect when motion "enhancements" are engaged, etc.), it will absolutely produce a jaw dropping picture on the right setting (either movie or thx movie) that it is comparable to a kuro.

I went through all the settings. I was playing with it for awhile. Didn't like THX mode at all.

I couldn't find a picture setting that gave a pure mode look of the kuros. As you said, it looked like an LCD. A very good one though. The only thing it has over the kuro to me is sharpness.

But this is all IMO. And in no way am i saying the elite is bad. I just didn't see anything it did better than my 151.

I viewed the 70" by the way.

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Of course.

Which one? I have an RTI system being installed shortly - just wondering if you found one connection or the other easier / less problematic?
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I recently purchased a power center with switched and non-switched outlets. I would prefer to switch off all components at night but just wonder if there would be any adverse impact by plugging my 101 to the switched outlet.

Should 9G Kuros be always left in stand-by mode when not in use? Does it matter if the main power switches on & off frequently, like once a day?

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Which one? I have an RTI system being installed shortly - just wondering if you found one connection or the other easier / less problematic?

I find the serial connection more stable (however jdbimmer and xsciv4ce probably have a different take) but I use the network connection because it's simpler for me. I have a URC MSC-400 but only did proof of concept serial control.

My somewhat idiosyncratic approach and related issues are discussed in the KRP thread and possibly in the KuroReader thread.

If you have an interesting outcome please post your results in the KRP thread.
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I went thru auto installation of channels on my pro-111fd a few days ago. My channel line up has changed since then, but, auto installation is now grayed out on the TV and I cannot run it again. Does anyone know why this command may be grayed out and how to activate it again?
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Has anyone updated their 9G firmware with the March 2011 version? Any idea what the update fixes?

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...D?tab=firmware
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I find the serial connection more stable (however jdbimmer and xsciv4ce probably have a different take) but I use the network connection because it's simpler for me. I have a URC MSC-400 but only did proof of concept serial control.

My somewhat idiosyncratic approach and related issues are discussed in the KRP thread and possibly in the KuroReader thread.

If you have an interesting outcome please post your results in the KRP thread.

Thanks. Will let you know how it pans out
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Has anyone updated their 9G firmware with the March 2011 version? Any idea what the update fixes?

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...D?tab=firmware

I think it was an update to the TV's tuner--I didn't bother since it didn't change anything about the PQ.
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I think it was an update to the TV's tuner--I didn't bother since it didn't change anything about the PQ.

That's right, but I ran it because of that reason. Tuner works flawlessly now.

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That's right, but I ran it because of that reason. Tuner works flawlessly now.

I think I might go for that update. Though I have cable, the primary reason was the poor reception here. Who knows but at some point I may jettison cable and need the tuner to work.
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In case anyone is interested, the CNet review of the Sharp Elite has been posted. Makes for an interesting comparison with the Kuro:

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...xt#reviewPage1

Thought the black level on the S. Elite would measure a bit lower though.
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In case anyone is interested, the CNet review of the Sharp Elite has been posted. Makes for an interesting comparison with the Kuro:

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...xt#reviewPage1

Thought the black level on the S. Elite would measure a bit lower though.

0.0007fL is excellent. I measured 0.0004fL on the S Elite at the shootout. David's measurement could be no more than the limitation of his meter, panel to panel variance, or some other factor. IMO, a moot point as it still spanks every single 2011 PDP out there in MLL by a visable and gratifying margin
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In case anyone is interested, the CNet review of the Sharp Elite has been posted. Makes for an interesting comparison with the Kuro:

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...xt#reviewPage1

Thought the black level on the S. Elite would measure a bit lower though.

Maybe.. but, after a quick scan through the owners threads, it seems like there are several significant issues with this thing. And, given the inherent LCD off axis problem and the color problem with this display in particular, I do't see any of us rushing out to trade-in our panels. Unless, of course, you want 3D.

Actually, I thought the cnet review was, IMHO, a little (read: WAY) too gracious, in light of the Tom Norton's review in HT. Tom seemed to say that (in his opinion) the "Elite" just nosed out the Kuro. I suspect that is much more closer to reality, than the cnet "advertisement".

A nose + 3D != Kuro killer.

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Maybe.. but, after a quick scan through the owners threads, it seems like there are many issues with this thing.

And, given the inherent LCD off axis problem - our Kuro's still seem to be overall much better.

I think the newfound "pulsing" issue bothers me a bit more than the cyan problem. I saw it while checking out the 70" at Magnolia...thought I was imagining things, but I guess not.
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this isn't the place for the Sharp complaints..everyone knows it's a scam..3-4 replacements dead pixels..color issues..this is a KURO's owners thread..I was kicked out of Sharp's thread for my honesty..so take your complaints to Ken Ross and take a hike
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I probably fall somewhere between the serious videophile and joe average (six-pack?) on these things, so take this for what it's worth.

I think there is a sweet spot in audio/video components where I feel no urgency or urge to buy anything else because what I have is good enough and satisfying. There's a feeling of confidence and comfort when that spot is hit. My Kuro 111FD fits this description. So I'm confident I won't be buying another TV unless necessary (i.e., broken/damaged beyond repair, stolen, etc.). Those for whom having the best or latest is important or are more technically-minded might have a different perspective. And while there have been a very few occasions where I thought a 60" might be nice, that thought never translated into a search for a replacement.

I suppose another factor is that I view things audio/video as an interest rather than a hobby, so I'm less inclined to become driven to a negative (for me) degree in its pursuit.
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I probably fall somewhere between the serious videophile and joe average (six-pack?) on these things, so take this for what it's worth.

I think there is a sweet spot in audio/video components where I feel no urgency or urge to buy anything else because what I have is good enough and satisfying. There's a feeling of confidence and comfort when that spot is hit. My Kuro 111FD fits this description. So I'm confident I won't be buying another TV unless necessary (i.e., broken/damaged beyond repair, stolen, etc.). Those for whom having the best or latest is important or are more technically-minded might have a different perspective. And while there have been a very few occasions where I thought a 60" might be nice, that thought never translated into a search for a replacement.

I suppose another factor is that I view things audio/video as an interest rather than a hobby, so I'm less inclined to become driven to a negative (for me) degree in its pursuit.

Yup, picture quality-wise, my 500m is "good enough." I have no urge to upgrade whatsoever PQ-wise, even for OLED.

My issue is still the buzzing. I use my 500m as a computer monitor, so the buzzing is still slightly annoying even after 2 years.
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Yup, picture quality-wise, my 500m is "good enough." I have no urge to upgrade whatsoever PQ-wise, even for OLED.

My issue is still the buzzing. I use my 500m as a computer monitor, so the buzzing is still slightly annoying even after 2 years.

As I remember, the buzzing was a phenomenon of the 60" sets primarily. That's unfortunate, because the 500s are great-looking, with black levels a bit better than even the 9G sets.
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As I remember, the buzzing was a phenomenon of the 60" sets primarily. That's unfortunate, because the 500s are great-looking, with black levels a bit better than even the 9G sets.

Using energy save 2 usually works to get rid of buzz. Save mode 1 might as well.
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I think there is a sweet spot in audio/video components where I feel no urgency or urge to buy anything else because what I have is good enough and satisfying. There's a feeling of confidence and comfort when that spot is hit.

UMR was here last night to calibrate (no charge ) our sub. It had a dead amp when he came last April.

When he finished, I ask him what he would do if his 151 died. He said that he would look for a second hand 151. For him the 151/111 models are the Kuro sweet spot. Our Kuro is the 6010 which does the same thing for me. I'd look for a 6010 or 151 if the worst happened.

Anyway, we both seemed to be in the same sweet spot with audio and video. There is a point where there is no urgency to mess with satisfaction just to have something new. Of course, if I ever need a replacement, I'll be looking for someone who "needs" to upgrade.
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umr was here last night to calibrate (no charge ) our sub. It had a dead amp when he came last april.

When he finished, i ask him what he would do if his 151 died. He said that he would look for a second hand 151. For him the 151/111 models are the kuro sweet spot. Our kuro is the 6010 which does the same thing for me. I'd look for a 6010 or 151 if the worst happened.

Anyway, we both seemed to be in the same sweet spot with audio and video. There is a point where there is no urgency to mess with satisfaction just to have something new. Of course, if i ever need a replacement, i'll be looking for someone who "needs" to upgrade.

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this isn't the place for the Sharp complaints..everyone knows it's a scam..3-4 replacements dead pixels..color issues..this is a KURO's owners thread..I was kicked out of Sharp's thread for my honesty..so take your complaints to Ken Ross and take a hike

I can't imagine why.

Part of the discussion in this thread has always been about how our Kuro's measure up to the competition. The Sharp is the new "contender" and many of us are actually interested in how it is being received - in direct comparison to our displays.

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