Originally Posted by D-Nice
If I had an 850u on hand, I would be more than happy to provide settings and assistance for 850u owners....just like I do for the Pioneer owners
With all due respect to your near-10K postings... (seriously, where do you even find time to watch
TV??)... with every post, you come off more and more as a Pioneer senior sales rep.
Again, I ask, why are you lurking on this thread, which is about the Panasonic 850u series, when you yourself admit you don't even own one
I might understand if you were posting here looking for opinions on the 850 from actual owners in order to help you decide to get one or not, but all I ever see from you is a laundry list of so-called "facts" regarding Pioneer specs versus Panasonic; and it seems quite important to you to be the fact-checking "sheriff" on everyone's posts throughout the entire forum.
Regarding my previous post, I apologize and stand corrected on my erroneous assumption that the 5020 was an older model.
I think I got it confused with Samsung's numbering system where the A550 (my previous plasma) was the previous generation from the current 650 series. Sorry if this caused anyone to make an uninformed decision.
That said, your own post claims that the rival set to the 850 is the 6020
, so therefore my opinion that the 850 is the better choice over the 5020 seems to ring true.
The rest of my OPINIONS, however, are just that. Opinions
, and personal ones at that, based solely upon my own research both over the net, as well as showroom visits. I have seen the 6020 fully calibrated in a Magnolia low light showroom. The PQ was excellent, IMO, with very inky blacks, but the rest of the pic seemed darker than would suit MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE
. It also cost -- at that store -- nearly 2K more than what they were asking for the 850u.
I had only seen the 800u in the 50" at Circuit City, where I wound up buying the Sammy 58A550 instead because A), it was one of the top contenders I was considering, and B) I wanted 58" or larger, and they couldn't say when the 58PZ800u was shipping.
The A550 had a beautiful picture, and nice, dark blacks. It also had issues with permanent image retention, and I wound up returning two
of them. By that time, Best Buy had the 800u in stock, and Magnolia, the 850u. I never made it to Best Buy to look at the 800, as the rep at Magnolia gave me a better deal on the 850, which I never got to see in the store as they had only just rcvd them in their warehouse. I bought it sight-unseen, and have not regretted it since.
Regarding all the specs and stats you spew in your quest to prove how much better the Pioneer sets are... so what? I think most everyone here agrees that Pioneer is the overall quality leader in consumer plasma TV's. And my only major claim
is that the 850 series is a better overall VALUE than the Pioneers are; i.e., more bang for one's buck.
I've also regularly expressed the opinion that, in the end, the only opinion that matters is one's PERSONAL TASTE in what they consider to be the "best" picture. As an actual OWNER
of a TH58PZ850U, I choose to share my opinions and advice on this model TV -- here in the appropriate thread
-- to other owners or other persons interested in my opinion about the set. I do not lurk around the Pioneer owner threads trying to drum up converts for the 850 series as if I had some sort of personal stake in the matter.
My advice to you is go be helpful to your fellow Pioneer owners, and save your opinions regarding the 850 until such time as you purchase one and can speak from a place of actual experience with the set.
And there are other threads that specifically deal with comparing Pioneer vs. Panasonic that are ideal for you to post your pro-Pioneer opinions. Spewing official specs and stats published by the manufacturers doesn't make you an expert anymore than picking a super bowl winner at the beginning of the season based on what team looks the best "on paper."
I would not even consider the Cnet reviews as the "final word" on a product. At best, the "expert" reviews are simply a good place to start one's search for a quality product. The rest is all subject to personal preference.
Your personal preference appears to be
the sets that look best on paper. Mine will always
be what looks best to my own eyes.
And right now, that's the Panasonic 850U. And that's why you won't see me posting anywhere but this thread since I got it.
If you ever see me in a Pioneer thread stirring up debate about competing brands, then, by all means, take me to school on something you clearly ARE
an expert in. Otherwise, please dial back all the Pioneer rhetoric, and confine your posts on this
thread to any personal knowledge or experience you have with the Panasonic 850 series other than what you read off the Panasonic spec sheet.
Finally, in an effort to keep this thread more on-topic, perhaps we can all agree to address future inquiries regarding the 850 series with responses limited to our own personal knowledge of, and experience with the unit. It might be a good idea for those considering purchasing the 850 to post here for feedback on the 850, and then post for feedback on other brands/units in threads targeted towards said brands/units.
Obviously, we here are biased towards our purchases, and other brand owners towards theirs. It's unproductive to get into endless, pointless debates on brand-specific threads on which make and model is the best. For while certainly some
people are seeking out the absolute highest rated unit, I believe the majority
of consumers are simply looking to get a high-quality HDTV for the lowest possible price without winding up with a lemon.
Anyone who's read all 16 pages of this thread can clearly see that there's a fairly UNANIMOUS opinion by all actual owners of the 850U that it is, indeed, a true winner, great value, and high-quality plasma TV. The only way you can go wrong purchasing this TV is if you are one of the very few unlucky people who were delivered a faulty set. This happens with all products, and odds are quite high you will get a good one if you exchange it right away.
In closing, I just watched Dark Knight on Blu-ray Saturday night, and it did look really fantastic on this set. However, I watched a newly minted Netflix copy, and there were a couple of issues with the DVD I wonder if anyone else noticed. First, I could not get the disc to display a main menu. It just kept wanting to auto-play the movie from the start. Second, during a lot of the high action scenes, the aspect ratio would revert to 16:9 from the Cinescope "letterbox" width that was the default play version.
Anyone have any insight on why this is? I'm guessing perhaps the studio was rushing it to DVD for the holiday buying season and didn't have time to complete proper formatting or a decent motion menu. Just a guess, though. I am by no means implying that I'm an expert on the subject.