As promised here's a detailed post with more on the Kuro NE PC input modes. Hopefully this answers a few of the posted / PM'd questions. I'm referring mainly to the HDMI PC Input mode but there is also VGA PC input that is very similar but won't go all the way to 1080p resolution.Menu | Setup | Option | HDMI Input | Signal Type: PC
So I'm looking at this as a sort of a Non-Elite "Pure" mode
because essentially all of the built-in signal processing
is turned OFF. This means all the stuff you can't turn off video modes, Noise Reductions -> OFF, Black Level -> Off , DRE, CTI, Black Level etc. all OFF
In the video modes GAME looks like the most "Pure" mode since it has the most built-in settings turned off. This mode turns even more off, basically all OFF for better or for worse.
I'm not saying or implying this mode is better
than your regular A/V modes. It's probably not better for movies and film because Pure Cinema and other processing is off.
Of course if you use a PC for advanced video processing or use an External video processor this could be perfect for you and be great for movies but it is definitely different in key ways
and you have the option to check it out for yourself with your own eyes rather than just assume it's "unusable
", a term thrown around loosely sometimes. If you just like to tweak and adjust and miss that from an Elite then at the least here's something to play with.
Originally Posted by bmwolf
I'd like to know more about this PC mode calibrating too. I use game for gaming and get used to it's high temp pretty quickly but if I could get something closer to Movie(with ControlCal adjustments) I'd be even happier! Please share.
Since you have direct access to set the RGB in PC mode you can set the temperature with a lower temp than Game Mode, lower the blue directly and make it as close to movie mode as you'd like.
A few more points to Consider from my research and testing so far...CON
-Pure Cinema control is not active on this mode. According to what D-Nice posted on the 8G Kuro
it appears that a 60fps signal (and I'd assume 30fps) will process just fine to 60fps on the Kuro.
-24fps on the 8G model however was said to process at a wacky 70Hz for some reason.
I'm not sure if that is still the case for the 9G models however because indications are that with 9G Kuro at least for video modes Pure Cinema sometimes self engages when a 24fps film based signal is detected
. Not sure about PC mode though, maybe some of you with good eyes for motion can tell. 60Hz sources according to D-Nice displayed at 60Hz on the 8G. Looks very good on Sports for instance.
-Black Level may be slightly elevated to the level of an 8G Kuro here (according to some testers). I speculate could be a result of the fact that in all the video modes except for Game Mode the "Black Level" video processing feature is on and in this mode its all off. I still see the blacks look great however (the 8G's still have a superior black level to all the Non-Kuro Plasmas) but check for yourself.PRO
- You can create color temperatures you prefer here and save them. You have memory for separate grayscales (2) (actually more than 2, one for each hdmi input + a standard)
that you don't have in the video modes. You also have access to RGB controls that for the video modes require Service Menu access (ControlCal or a Pro).
-This mode is slightly sharper in it's fine detail than any of the video modes because they are all set to Enhancer Mode 2. EM:2 looks just fine on the video modes and appears plenty sharp enough so don't take this wrong.
Video is generally not really so finely detailed that your eyes need to resolve at the pixel level. Where you can do is instead of video compare fine TEXT from a very close screen distance on this mode to any video mode you should be able to see the difference clearly. Essentially this mode is like the Elite Model's Enhancer Mode = 1
-This should be a very low input lag CRT type mode since all video processing is off. Input lag mode similar or better to Game Mode/GamePref option
-This also means the mode is very "clean" in terms of getting input signal source and not applying any additional processing. Similar in that sense to the Elite PURE mode where almost all processing is off
. I notice for instance it seems to perform well on games and on animated flicks
-Unlike 8G Kuro for the 9G model the Orbiter feature is available to help protect the screen against static content
--The Contrast control is also scaled down to prevent creating too bright a setting that again could create IR/Burn-in problems. You might consider this a con if you want a super bright image but the result is you should be able to set contrast based on what looks good in your adjustments w/o much worry about burn-in. It seems it can get good bright levels along with a higher temp if you prefer but don't expect Performance Mode brightness here.
--You can easily check the fps type of your Input signal in this mode (press display button on remote)
--ColorSpace can be set manually or picked up in AUTO by the Kuro
(set it only if you have to). This means it can work not only with pretty much any RGB signal but I found AUTO even detects my FiOS cable box signal correctly.
--This mode can work well with the HD consoles just as it can with PC's. You can pass an RGB signal type but I recommend setting the PS3 and/or 360 to use RGB LIMITED/Standard colorspaces if you use this mode however (Studio Reference levels).
I've seen some post that color is bad on this mode. I tested visually and used both Digital Video Essentials as well as several HD content types. Depending on the grayscale you set with your RGB controls I found it certainly not equal to my pro calibrated movie mode but easily as good or better than the other A/V modes just depending on the content.
I'd encourage people to try setting your own grayscale here at least visually with a disk like DVE and use your own eyes for preference. I came out with settings quite a bit different than what I've seen a couple other's post so it may be best check your own display unit.
In particular find it useful on some games such as bright and arcade type games and on some CGI/Animated movies where the extra sharpness seems to help a bit. I found a few movies quite watchable but would mostly prefer the Video Modes. YMMV.