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D-Nice,

I read over in the signature forum that ISF-Auto with both sensors is pretty amazing.
If you calibrate ISF day and night, I know the settings are hardcoded.

What do you set/calibrate in ISF-Auto then as I would imagine the sensors would continuously adjust settings like Optimum mode. Simply put, using both sensors, how does ISF-Auto differ from Optimum?

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I am not 100% sure...but I feel like I have the GREENISH tone, but only on the PURE and MOVIE D-Nice recommended settings.

I have a HFPM. June panel.

Is it possible I have a greenish bias OR am I just not used to PURE/MOVIE settings?

I really have been preferring the default OPTIMUM as the colors look more accurate and lifelike to me. I am just not sure if it is because of the greeny/yellowy look of PURE/MOVIE or if it is the lack of color/sharpness.

Any advice would be great!

Thanks!

I finally received delivery of my Pro 151FD and I watched a few minutes of the Planet Earth Bluray and a little of the Discovery Channel from my Direct TV satellite and I have to say the out of box picture was stunning. My wife who is a very tough critic was even impressed. By the way I also have a model with HFPM serial number and it came with the KURO sticker. I have not had a chance yet to see what the out of box default a/v setting is. I want to check to see if its the pure mode to see if I also have a green bias. I'll let you know.
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D-Nice,

I read over in the signature forum that ISF-Auto with both sensors is pretty amazing.
If you calibrate ISF day and night, I know the settings are hardcoded.

What do you set/calibrate in ISF-Auto then as I would imagine the sensors would continuously adjust settings like Optimum mode.

The only thing you need to provide ISF-Auto is baseline settings. I copied my ISF-Day settings to that mode. The sensors will do the rest.

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Simply put, using both sensors, how does ISF-Auto differ from Optimum?

ISF-Auto uses D65 settings that I provided. Optimum does not.
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HEPM settings have been posted on page one of this thread.

As always, enjoy.
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HEPM settings have been posted on page one of this thread.

As always, enjoy.

Thankyou sir! You are the best. I really appreciate your willingness to help out a few stragglers with this. I would be lost without these settings, trying to figure out how to get true grayscale and D65. I'll report on how it looks. Very happy camper here!
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The only thing you need to provide ISF-Auto is baseline settings. I copied my ISF-Day settings to that mode. The sensors will do the rest.

ISF-Auto uses D65 settings that I provided. Optimum does not.

So essentially it is D65, 2.2 Gamma, and accurate colors that are EASYYY on your eyes. WOW. tThat's impressive.

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So essentially it is D65, 2.2 Gamma, and accurate colors that are EASYYY on your eyes. WOW. tThat's impressive.

2.25 gamma
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I'm getting a 6020 and will need to break in the tv.
I don't have a computer that I can use to burn a DVD, but I could put the
break-in thumbnail images on my ps3 and render them from the ps3.
How exactly do you break in a 6020 with the thumbnail images? For example
how long should the screen stay on a single image? is the thumbnail
version equivalent to the DVD break-in method??????

Can I buy the break-in DVD from somewhere?

Details would be appreciated, so I don't make a mistake and harm my new
family member, the 6020.
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2.25 gamma

Is that for more picture "depth"

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Is that for more picture "depth"

Yes
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Not to beat a dead horse but I spoke to a highly respected calibrator in my area (South Florida) who actually does ISF calibration training. He agreed with running the break-in dvd for 150 hours. I will probably be using this gentleman to calibrate my display once I have a couple of hundred hours of the breakin dvd and full screen viewing.
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HEPM settings have been posted on page one of this thread.

As always, enjoy.

I must say D, these settings look very good on my 151. Jeff will be calibrating it soon, but I have no problem watching this. You are getting better. Thank you
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HEPM settings have been posted on page one of this thread.

As always, enjoy.

Apparently I missed this. What's the deal with HEPM?

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Apparently I missed this. What's the deal with HEPM?

If your serial number begins with HEPM, you need the HEPM green push settings from D-Nice because they have a green plus grayscale. My number is HFPM

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If your serial number begins with HEPM, you need the HEPM green push settings from D-Nice because they have a green plus grayscale. My number is HFPM

Ok, thanks. I will have to check...

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I must say D, these settings look very good on my 151. Jeff will be calibrating it soon, but I have no problem watching this. You are getting better. Thank you

Gee, thanks.
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Gee, thanks.

I know... What was wrong in the first place.

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I'm getting a 6020 and will need to break in the tv. I don't have a computer that I can use to burn a DVD, but I could put the break-in thumbnail images on my ps3 and render them from the ps3.
How exactly do you break in a 6020 with the thumbnail images? For example
how long should the screen stay on a single image? is the thumbnail
version equivalent to the DVD break-in method??????

Can I buy the break-in DVD from somewhere?
Details would be appreciated, so I don't make a mistake and harm my new
family member, the 6020.

d/l it for free or get it here for $6.50 total shipped. should take 4-5 days to get it in the mail.

http://www.eaprogramming.com/

HD HD HD I Need more HD, Yes I am a HD Addict :)
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Just checked my SN. It begins with HGPM.

What I don't understand is, aren't these sets made in the same plant, under the same conditions, using the same engineering, with the same parts? How does a rogue batch get thru?

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I'm getting a 6020 and will need to break in the tv.
I don't have a computer that I can use to burn a DVD, but I could put the
break-in thumbnail images on my ps3 and render them from the ps3.
How exactly do you break in a 6020 with the thumbnail images? For example
how long should the screen stay on a single image? is the thumbnail
version equivalent to the DVD break-in method??????

The PS3 works great for break-in images. I used it on my 6020. Just put the images in a folder on the PS3, hit the triangle button and start the slideshow. Then in the slideshow you can bring up the options (triangle button) and set the speed to slow and repeat to be ON.

This is more reliable I think than running a spinning DVD continuously. At least for me I felt safer leaving the PS3 going when away from the house.
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I ran the break-in disk for 5.5 days now with Philips DVP 642 DVD/DivX Player it works great, the dvd player is not heated up after 5.5 days i'm amazed. It's a very reliable dvd player.
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thanks for the info
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The PS3 works great for break-in images. I used it on my 6020. Just put the images in a folder on the PS3, hit the triangle button and start the slideshow. Then in the slideshow you can bring up the options (triangle button) and set the speed to slow and repeat to be ON.

This is more reliable I think than running a spinning DVD continuously. At least for me I felt safer leaving the PS3 going when away from the house.

Thanks for the info ...
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After 100hrs on a European 5090H:

original RGB 0 hrs :


Un calibrierter RGB 100 hrs:


RGB after Calib.:


CIE after Calib:


Gamma after Calib:




ALL Opt. OFF

AV Modus FILM

Gamma = 2

Contrast = 39
Birit. = 0
Color = +2
Sharpness = -15

Color 2

temp Manuel
r-h = -4
g-h = -1
r-l = -1

CMS
Y = +1
G = -2
M = -2
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HEPM settings have been posted on page one of this thread.

As always, enjoy.


Thanks D-Nice!
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The 151 settings posted for after break in would apply after 150 hours of use whether you used the DVD or just what is in the manual for break-in. Correct???

Mine will be installed tomorrow, can't wait...........
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Just an update on my recently delivered 151FD. I still haven't started the break-in process, still waiting for the disc that should be here tomorrow. I have done some full screen viewing taking the neccesary care to avoid IR. I haven't noticed any green push in the pure a/v mode w d'Nice's pre break-in settings as others have reported. Maybe just a little more of a lean toward the green than some of the other a/v modes like Optimum, Performance & Movie. I think that's probably because the Pure mode with those settings are more accurate for gray scale and color but thats just an assumption on my part. I have listened for any buzzing by turning the volume down to 0 but honestly am not hearing any. I also haven't noticed any pixel problems but I am not sure how you look for that. There's certainly nothing obvious or glaring. Maybe when I start the break-in process, hopefully tomorrow that might tell me more. It seems to me that the buzzing and pixel problems were more reported when this was going on. anyway this is just day two that I have had this display and so far so good. I do think the picture is a lot better than my old display (Mitsubishi WD65831 1080P DLP) and w/o any calibration just out of the box. I am currently a happy camper.
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Just an update on my recently delivered 151FD. I still haven't started the break-in process, still waiting for the disc that should be here tomorrow. I have done some full screen viewing taking the neccesary care to avoid IR. I haven't noticed any green push in the pure a/v mode w d'Nice's pre break-in settings as others have reported. Maybe just a little more of a lean toward the green than some of the other a/v modes like Optimum, Performance & Movie. I think that's probably because the Pure mode with those settings are more accurate for gray scale and color but thats just an assumption on my part. I have listened for any buzzing by turning the volume down to 0 but honestly am not hearing any. I also haven't noticed any pixel problems but I am not sure how you look for that. There's certainly nothing obvious or glaring. Maybe when I start the break-in process, hopefully tomorrow that might tell me more. It seems to me that the buzzing and pixel problems were more reported when this was going on. anyway this is just day two that I have had this display and so far so good. I do think the picture is a lot better than my old display (Mitsubishi WD65831 1080P DLP) and w/o any calibration just out of the box. I am currently a happy camper.
Thanks,
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Congrats, Mike!

Chances are if there is no buzzing or dead pixels now you won't get any later... I am 140 hours into my break-in (usb) and everything's going well.

Enjoy!
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D-Nice,

Many thanks for posting the settings for the HEPM sets !!
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So what does it mean if I have an HFPM set and the HEPM settings look better than the regular reference settings?

They do, look less green (obviously) and more realistic.

Is it possible that the green bias extends to other Serial numbers?
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